On 10/28/11 3:27 PM, Etienne Beaule wrote:

It's disabled on certain wikis because of technical problems.

Oh? I wasn't aware that it had been disabled anywhere as yet.

WikiLove was not rolled out "en mass"; the policy for deployment of the tool is that it is by request only, and the requesting wiki must:

a) Make sure the tool is localized (via TranslateWiki); b) Make sure they have a local configuration; and c) Show community consensus.

So if it was enabled and then *disabled*, I have not heard of this. Is there a bug report I can look to? Or if you know of a wiki where this is the case, I can do a search.

Thanks!

-b.

I find pink hearts depressing. Red hearts are okay, though. Mankind. It's a troubling topic. Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: “Mankind”. Basically, it’s made up of two separate words – “mank” and “ind”. What do these words mean? It’s a mystery, and that’s why so is mankind. (I haven't been able to figure out the hearts thing yet, but I'm working on it.)

Hey! Rather than a heart, can I get a four-leaf clover?

On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 3:35 PM, Etienne Beaule betienne@bellaliant.netwrote:

On incubator only, and probably the WikimediaIncubator extension. All was set up.

On 11-10-28 7:31 PM, "Brandon Harris" bharris@wikimedia.org wrote:

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On 10/28/11 3:27 PM, Etienne Beaule wrote:

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It's disabled on certain wikis because of technical problems.

Oh? I wasn't aware that it had been disabled anywhere as yet.

WikiLove was not rolled out "en mass"; the policy for deployment of the tool is that it is by request only, and the requesting wiki must:

a) Make sure the tool is localized (via TranslateWiki); b) Make sure they have a local configuration; and c) Show community consensus.

So if it was enabled and then *disabled*, I have not heard of this. Is there a bug report I can look to? Or if you know of a wiki where this is the case, I can do a search.

Thanks!

-b.

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Erik Moeller, 29/10/2011 00:16:

In addition to English Wikipedia, WikiLove has been enabled [...]

MediaWiki.org and Commons.

Perhaps we can even change the definition on https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:WikiLove , currently «extension designed to promote the spread of WikiLove within Wikipedia».

Liam Wyatt, 29/10/2011 04:38:

Seriously though... in Wikilove can't the logo (the heart) and all of the individual awards (barnstars, food, animals) be changed on a per-wiki basis?

I don't know the icon (I think not), but the rest is obviously configurable. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/WikiLove#How_to_customize

So if there's an icon that's more culturally appropriate in a different language then it can be changed to that instead. If I recall correctly, the Burmese Wikipedia uses "lotuses" (rather than barnstars) and the French Wikipedia uses laurel wreaths. In those cases, for example, not only can those awards be used instead of barnstars but a little icon of a lotus or a laurel wreath could easily be used instead of a pink heart icon.

The point being that "leaving friendly messages with cute invented awards on talkpages" is not an en.wp or American specific activity - most (all?) of the different language wikis have something equivalent. All the WikiLove tool does is make it easier to do and if the local community wants to use it but wants to change the way the tool looks/feels then I don't think there's any problem with that.

Basically yes, although I didn't check whether local implementations actually localised the extension; sometimes we have blind implementations of en.wiki concepts (which are often the default even in MediaWiki) because localisers are not bold/industrious enough. I don't think the extension's aim is to export kittens, beer (!) and other unknown amenities to all communities. ;-)

Nemo

2011/10/29 Ryan Kaldari rkaldari@wikimedia.org:

I don't think that's accurate. WikiLove only has a single bug filed against it, and it's just a feature request: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=runnamed&namedcmd=Wik...

Well, since you complained, here's another one: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32033

(Is it really not a dupe?)

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On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 10:24 AM, Hubert hubert.laska@gmx.at wrote:

One problem is that the word "Love" is used quite differently in the German language. Even in Great Britain.

Love as a term is used in English in a fully inflated notion of flooding.

I have no idea what lovers say to each other in the U.S. when it comes to really love.

Maybe they just grunt at each other only.

Please teach me U.S.-american social behavior.

The expression "Wikilove" will trigger only incomprehension and headshaking.

h.

Perhaps we should start with manners, specifically how to post to a public list without being childishly insulting?

On 30 October 2011 14:24, Hubert hubert.laska@gmx.at wrote:

One problem is that the word "Love" is used quite differently in the German language.

So use a different word. The thing is pretty customizable.

Even in Great Britain.

Depends where you are.

On 31 October 2011 07:40, MZMcBride z@mzmcbride.com wrote:

Teofilo wrote:

...

The WMF has been recently backing softwares that are a breach of "Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not" (1). Recently a totally stupid pink heart was added to user talk pages, making people believe it is Valentine Day everyday, with the result that Wikipedia is now being used as a social network or a game.

[...]

(1)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:NOT#Wikipedia_is_not_a_blog.2C_webspa...

...

_provider.2C_social_network.2C_or_memorial_site

I think the term you're looking for is "wikiafication". Maybe "Wikiafication"? I suppose it's not quite genericized yet, so capitalizing it probably makes sense.

I've had a draft e-mail sitting around for months now that I've been meaning to send on the subject. MoodBar, WikiLove, etc. are all forms of Wikiafication. This is dangerous, as Wikia largely sucks, so any attempted emulation of it is a risky proposition. That isn't to say that Wikia gets nothing right, but for the most part, it's a pretty bad user experience at a social and technical level.

There is also the tangential issue that mingling Wikia development/engineering projects with Wikimedia development/engineering projects further erodes the already tenuous divide between the two organizations. There's been talk (more than talk, really) of Wikimedia working with Wikia on projects such as the parser rewrite, as it serves both organizations' interests. That's true, to be sure, but the costs of further close collaboration may outweigh any benefit.

MZMcBride

I'm not going to disagree with the complaints about MoodBar, WikiLove etc.

for being a diversion from our core purpose, but equally there are very good reasons for these things that have been mentioned too. The primary nub of contention being that they are of greatest benefit to new users (who are not really able to defend themselves on foundation-l) whilst being largely irrelevant additions to experienced users. Because the WMF is (rightly, IMO) focused on reversing the decline in editor numbers, much of their developments will suffer from this tension. There are valid arguments on both sides but I believe that's where the tension derives from. Also as I'm not familiar with Wikia-wikis I won't comment on the quality/usefullness of their software. I'm not trying to write this email to point out problems, but to point to positive things instead...

I would like to point to a new kind of WMF development work that's underway as a particularly useful, interesting and positive development. The New Page Triage concept and associated "zoom" interface which is designed to improve Recent Changes Patrol: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/New_Page_Triage Now, I'm not a regular new page patroller so the feature will not affect me directly, and there are certainly lots of features/design issues/workflows/interfaces that will be wrong and will need dramatic changes before going from the concept stage to the in-production use stage.

Why I'm particularly excited with this page is that it represents a WMF development project that addresses the issue of new user retention (by improving the quality of their first interaction with the community) by assisting the EXISTING users to do their work better. By looking at this kind of thing the WMF software team is loudly saying "we're all in this together" which needs to be applauded. The existing community, especially the hard-core who do a disproportionately large amount of the work, need to feel like they're not "part of the problem" but "part of the solution" in reversing the editor-numbers decline - and features like New Page Triage (and/or others like it) are a brilliant way of doing this, IMHO.

-Liam

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