Is much of the problem about differing varieties of Portuguese? Last I heard the Portuguese language Wikipedia allowed multiple versions of Portuguese in a similar way to English - i.e. standardised at the article level not the project level; Though the editing base is much more skewed to Brazil than EN is to the US. Assuming Angolan Portuguese is closer to the Portuguese spoken in Portugal, then just as in EN you are likely to get some goodfaith newbies "correcting" spelling to the version they know. If so perhaps edit filters might work. Alternatively, would it be possible to do something similar to the Chinese Wikipedia and display different versions of Portuguese according to user preference/IP geography?
WereSpielChequers
WereSpielChequers, the different varieties of Portuguese is not the problem here. It actually hasn't been a problem for a while. :)))
James and Adele, I am sincerely happy to know that WMF is not only aware of it but also applying and thinking about measures to solve the problem.
Maybe opening large doors to Wikipedia is not enough. Unfortunately, we are frustrating many users that come to Wikipedia and Commons expecting a place to share their selfies and create profiles about themselves. Even though they are acting in good faith, it is a pain to repeatedly delete files and tell new users that they can't create an article about themselves. The good part of dealing with a good faith user is that all we need to do to stop them or fix the problem somehow is informing them the right. After knowing the right, previous mistakes won't be repeated in most cases.
We are, however, doing that several times to several users. Maybe we could use ways of reaching more users in a row with loud speakers. I believe that if they are told that they can't upload certain files for instance, a large part of them won't.
What if we use sitenotice with geolocalization to Angola? What if we try reaching them through social medias as they also have free access to it in some cases? What if we look for local editors to share Wikipedia knowledge, communicate with press and engage other local editors to raise grounds for generating regular editors there? That may be a hard one but what if we rethink ways of communication and recognize that user talk page is far from optimal to connect with new users? Sorry if that sounds naive but I can't come with better ideas.
When I say we should inform them, I am obviously not underestimating people of Angola and not trying to do some kind of "catechism". It is just trying to improve their learning curve about wiki. Blocking is a desperate and sometimes necessary measure but not a solution. Limiting uploads is not so different though more specific, but actually even on Commons there are many problems on editing too and not only with uploading.
A well deserved barnstar to the one with an insightfull idea about it.
Kind regards,
Teles
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Is much of the problem about differing varieties of Portuguese? Last I heard the Portuguese language Wikipedia allowed multiple versions of Portuguese in a similar way to English - i.e. standardised at the article level not the project level; Though the editing base is much more skewed to Brazil than EN is to the US. Assuming Angolan Portuguese is closer to the Portuguese spoken in Portugal, then just as in EN you are likely to get some goodfaith newbies "correcting" spelling to the version they know. If so perhaps edit filters might work. Alternatively, would it be possible to do something similar to the Chinese Wikipedia and display different versions of Portuguese according to user preference/IP geography?
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Mwaoshe Njemah, Siku Ya Wiki Project On 21 Mar 2016 09:58, "WereSpielChequers" werespielchequers@gmail.com wrote:
Is much of the problem about differing varieties of Portuguese? Last I heard the Portuguese language Wikipedia allowed multiple versions of Portuguese in a similar way to English - i.e. standardised at the article level not the project level; Though the editing base is much more skewed to Brazil than EN is to the US. Assuming Angolan Portuguese is closer to the Portuguese spoken in Portugal, then just as in EN you are likely to get some goodfaith newbies "correcting" spelling to the version they know. If so perhaps edit filters might work. Alternatively, would it be possible to do something similar to the Chinese Wikipedia and display different versions of Portuguese according to user preference/IP geography?
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This is an important issue and how Wikimedia and the community handles it is very important. I would caution that even those who are pirating and sharing copyrighted materials are not "bad actors," they are people who have no other file sharing options who have found a creative solution in the face of being given partial access to the internet.
Here is an article I just published on the subject:
http://motherboard.vice.com/read/wikipedia-zero-facebook-free-basics-angola-...
On 22 March 2016 at 07:37, Mwaoshe Njemah m.njema@gmail.com wrote:
Reminder: Wikipedia Zero is actually a very good thing. We are hoping to improve the quality and quantity of articles
Mwaoshe Njemah, Siku Ya Wiki Project On 21 Mar 2016 09:58, "WereSpielChequers" werespielchequers@gmail.com wrote:
Is much of the problem about differing varieties of Portuguese? Last I heard the Portuguese language Wikipedia allowed multiple versions of Portuguese in a similar way to English - i.e. standardised at the article level not the project level; Though the editing base is much more skewed
to
Brazil than EN is to the US. Assuming Angolan Portuguese is closer to the Portuguese spoken in Portugal, then just as in EN you are likely to get some goodfaith newbies "correcting" spelling to the version they know. If so perhaps edit filters might work. Alternatively, would it be possible
to
do something similar to the Chinese Wikipedia and display different versions of Portuguese according to user preference/IP geography?
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Actually, I am quite appalled by the article. Whether one wants to see something positive in pirating or not, the Wikimedia servers are not meant for this purpose (for good reasons). Breaking rules and taking abuse of an opportunity is not a goal by itself. Kind regards Ziko
Am Mittwoch, 23. März 2016 schrieb Jason Koebler :
This is an important issue and how Wikimedia and the community handles it is very important. I would caution that even those who are pirating and sharing copyrighted materials are not "bad actors," they are people who have no other file sharing options who have found a creative solution in the face of being given partial access to the internet.
Here is an article I just published on the subject:
http://motherboard.vice.com/read/wikipedia-zero-facebook-free-basics-angola-...
On 22 March 2016 at 07:37, Mwaoshe Njemah <m.njema@gmail.com javascript:;> wrote:
Reminder: Wikipedia Zero is actually a very good thing. We are hoping to improve the quality and quantity of articles
Mwaoshe Njemah, Siku Ya Wiki Project On 21 Mar 2016 09:58, "WereSpielChequers" <werespielchequers@gmail.com
wrote:
Is much of the problem about differing varieties of Portuguese? Last I heard the Portuguese language Wikipedia allowed multiple versions of Portuguese in a similar way to English - i.e. standardised at the
article
level not the project level; Though the editing base is much more
skewed
to
Brazil than EN is to the US. Assuming Angolan Portuguese is closer to
the
Portuguese spoken in Portugal, then just as in EN you are likely to get some goodfaith newbies "correcting" spelling to the version they know.
If
so perhaps edit filters might work. Alternatively, would it be possible
to
do something similar to the Chinese Wikipedia and display different versions of Portuguese according to user preference/IP geography?
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On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 1:20 PM, Ziko van Dijk zvandijk@gmail.com wrote:
Actually, I am quite appalled by the article. Whether one wants to see something positive in pirating or not, the Wikimedia servers are not meant for this purpose (for good reasons). Breaking rules and taking abuse of an opportunity is not a goal by itself. Kind regards Ziko
Call it what you want, but the world is changed when ordinary people who are just trying to do ordinary things
have a roadblock put in front of them. This is that kind of thing, and it's the "revolution" power of the distributed internet. We can shut them down, but Angolans are going to find another way to do the very things that those with full access to the internet take for granted. As Jason says, we should take great caution and give deep thought before taking a binary side.
On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 1:26 PM, Keegan Peterzell keegan.wiki@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 1:20 PM, Ziko van Dijk zvandijk@gmail.com wrote:
Actually, I am quite appalled by the article. Whether one wants to see something positive in pirating or not, the Wikimedia servers are not meant for this purpose (for good reasons). Breaking rules and taking abuse of an opportunity is not a goal by itself. Kind regards Ziko
Call it what you want, but the world is changed when ordinary people who are just trying to do ordinary things
have a roadblock put in front of them. This is that kind of thing, and it's the "revolution" power of the distributed internet. We can shut them down, but Angolans are going to find another way to do the very things that those with full access to the internet take for granted. As Jason says, we should take great caution and give deep thought before taking a binary side.
Oh, and I'm not condoning the behavior or use of Wikimedia servers, but I do think that the entire situation is much more nuanced than the simplicity of "that's wrong."
Personally I'd say "it's 100% wrong" but "not 100% to blame".
I've just made https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T130761 IMHO we need to address the problem form a technical point of view, implicitly discarding "block'em all" options.
Vito
2016-03-23 19:42 GMT+01:00 Keegan Peterzell keegan.wiki@gmail.com:
On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 1:26 PM, Keegan Peterzell keegan.wiki@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 1:20 PM, Ziko van Dijk zvandijk@gmail.com
wrote:
Actually, I am quite appalled by the article. Whether one wants to see something positive in pirating or not, the Wikimedia servers are not
meant
for this purpose (for good reasons). Breaking rules and taking abuse of
an
opportunity is not a goal by itself. Kind regards Ziko
Call it what you want, but the world is changed when ordinary people who are just trying to do ordinary things
have a roadblock put in front of them. This is that kind of thing, and it's the "revolution" power of the distributed internet. We can shut
them
down, but Angolans are going to find another way to do the very things
that
those with full access to the internet take for granted. As Jason says,
we
should take great caution and give deep thought before taking a binary
side.
Oh, and I'm not condoning the behavior or use of Wikimedia servers, but I do think that the entire situation is much more nuanced than the simplicity of "that's wrong."
-- ~Keegan
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Motherboard today has a fairly comprehensive report on this:
Angola’s Wikipedia Pirates Are Exposing the Problems With Digital Colonialism http://motherboard.vice.com/read/wikipedia-zero-facebook-free-basics-angola-...
On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 11:37 AM, Mwaoshe Njemah m.njema@gmail.com wrote:
Reminder: Wikipedia Zero is actually a very good thing. We are hoping to improve the quality and quantity of articles
Mwaoshe Njemah, Siku Ya Wiki Project On 21 Mar 2016 09:58, "WereSpielChequers" werespielchequers@gmail.com wrote:
Is much of the problem about differing varieties of Portuguese? Last I heard the Portuguese language Wikipedia allowed multiple versions of Portuguese in a similar way to English - i.e. standardised at the article level not the project level; Though the editing base is much more skewed
to
Brazil than EN is to the US. Assuming Angolan Portuguese is closer to the Portuguese spoken in Portugal, then just as in EN you are likely to get some goodfaith newbies "correcting" spelling to the version they know. If so perhaps edit filters might work. Alternatively, would it be possible
to
do something similar to the Chinese Wikipedia and display different versions of Portuguese according to user preference/IP geography?
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