This is not India-specific, and may be of interest to other communities struggling with such a question.
A.
---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Ravishankar ravidreams@gmail.com Date: Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 3:05 PM Subject: [Wikimediaindia-l] Tamil Wikipedia elects 10 sysops at a time To: wikimediaindia-l wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Hi,
Tamil Wikipedia elects 10 sysops at a time after a gap of almost 5 years.
After 2013, we hit a policy deadlock where we couldn't agree on how to elect a new sysop, what are the qualities of an ideal sysop, etc.,
Even after repeated attempts, we could not solve this as the fear of being not able to easily desysop someone made us look for higher and higher bars for a perfect admin.
So, how did we solve?
Recently, MediaWiki allows someone to get sysop access for limited periods of time like 1 month, 3 months, etc., This is how Stewards grants adminship in many small wikis.
We felt when there is the possibility of granting adminships for trial periods and renew them thereafter, we don't need to keep the bar for adminship very high.
We also proposed to start a Wiki Admin School where others can mentor the new admins.
So, after a month long discussion and community consensus, we conducted our sysop elections and elected 10 sysops at a time.
Right now, we have 42 sysops with one of the highest sysops per users ration among all global Wikis.
We plan to elect 6 new sysops every quarter and are discussing a similar policy for bureaucrat election.
We strongly believe having a diverse pool of sysops makes them feel empowered to serve the Wikimedia movement for a long period of time.
If you are interested in knowing more, take a look at the policy here https://ta.wikipedia.org/s/7gmi and the discussion in the related talk page.
Thanks,
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Yes, we – Swedish Wikipedia – have had similar experiences with annual reelections (since 2006) helping us both to keep the bar at a reasonable level and to have a de-sysoping process that doesn't cause of strife and rifts in the community. Works well for us.
//Johan Jönsson --
Den fre 26 apr. 2019 kl 00:41 skrev Asaf Bartov abartov@wikimedia.org:
This is not India-specific, and may be of interest to other communities struggling with such a question.
A.
---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Ravishankar ravidreams@gmail.com Date: Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 3:05 PM Subject: [Wikimediaindia-l] Tamil Wikipedia elects 10 sysops at a time To: wikimediaindia-l wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Hi,
Tamil Wikipedia elects 10 sysops at a time after a gap of almost 5 years.
After 2013, we hit a policy deadlock where we couldn't agree on how to elect a new sysop, what are the qualities of an ideal sysop, etc.,
Even after repeated attempts, we could not solve this as the fear of being not able to easily desysop someone made us look for higher and higher bars for a perfect admin.
So, how did we solve?
Recently, MediaWiki allows someone to get sysop access for limited periods of time like 1 month, 3 months, etc., This is how Stewards grants adminship in many small wikis.
We felt when there is the possibility of granting adminships for trial periods and renew them thereafter, we don't need to keep the bar for adminship very high.
We also proposed to start a Wiki Admin School where others can mentor the new admins.
So, after a month long discussion and community consensus, we conducted our sysop elections and elected 10 sysops at a time.
Right now, we have 42 sysops with one of the highest sysops per users ration among all global Wikis.
We plan to elect 6 new sysops every quarter and are discussing a similar policy for bureaucrat election.
We strongly believe having a diverse pool of sysops makes them feel empowered to serve the Wikimedia movement for a long period of time.
If you are interested in knowing more, take a look at the policy here https://ta.wikipedia.org/s/7gmi and the discussion in the related talk page.
Thanks,
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You appear to have 66 sysops on sv:? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_Wikipedia), how well to you think this system would scale up for an order or two of magnitude more? Cheers, Peter
-----Original Message----- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Johan Jönsson Sent: Friday, April 26, 2019 12:54 AM To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [Wikimediaindia-l] Tamil Wikipedia elects 10 sysops at a time
Yes, we – Swedish Wikipedia – have had similar experiences with annual reelections (since 2006) helping us both to keep the bar at a reasonable level and to have a de-sysoping process that doesn't cause of strife and rifts in the community. Works well for us.
//Johan Jönsson --
Den fre 26 apr. 2019 kl 00:41 skrev Asaf Bartov abartov@wikimedia.org:
This is not India-specific, and may be of interest to other communities struggling with such a question.
A.
---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Ravishankar ravidreams@gmail.com Date: Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 3:05 PM Subject: [Wikimediaindia-l] Tamil Wikipedia elects 10 sysops at a time To: wikimediaindia-l wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Hi,
Tamil Wikipedia elects 10 sysops at a time after a gap of almost 5 years.
After 2013, we hit a policy deadlock where we couldn't agree on how to elect a new sysop, what are the qualities of an ideal sysop, etc.,
Even after repeated attempts, we could not solve this as the fear of being not able to easily desysop someone made us look for higher and higher bars for a perfect admin.
So, how did we solve?
Recently, MediaWiki allows someone to get sysop access for limited periods of time like 1 month, 3 months, etc., This is how Stewards grants adminship in many small wikis.
We felt when there is the possibility of granting adminships for trial periods and renew them thereafter, we don't need to keep the bar for adminship very high.
We also proposed to start a Wiki Admin School where others can mentor the new admins.
So, after a month long discussion and community consensus, we conducted our sysop elections and elected 10 sysops at a time.
Right now, we have 42 sysops with one of the highest sysops per users ration among all global Wikis.
We plan to elect 6 new sysops every quarter and are discussing a similar policy for bureaucrat election.
We strongly believe having a diverse pool of sysops makes them feel empowered to serve the Wikimedia movement for a long period of time.
If you are interested in knowing more, take a look at the policy here https://ta.wikipedia.org/s/7gmi and the discussion in the related talk page.
Thanks,
Ravi _______________________________________________ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
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Den fre 26 apr. 2019 kl 15:36 skrev Peter Southwood < peter.southwood@telkomsa.net>:
You appear to have 66 sysops on sv:? ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_Wikipedia), how well to you think this system would scale up for an order or two of magnitude more?
I think it would scale well for almost all our wikis, but that there is a handful where I'd assume the size would become an issue. Partly because of the number of reelections, partly because I think part of our success is that if I'm a fairly active editor that cares about our candidates for adminship on Swedish Wikipedia, I've probably encountered most of the active admins up for reelection a couple of times over the last year and have already had the chance to see them use the tools. Generally, most admins are unanimously or almost unanimously reelected; we tend to support unless we have reason not to.
That's not to say it couldn't work for the larger wikis with some adaptions (I simply don't have an opinion either way), but I'm not confidently going to tell English Wikipedia this is the solution to the RfA problem.
//Johan Jönsson --
Meh, sysops are a mean, not a goal. Bureaucrats even less.
On a wiki with just 302 active users according to mediawiki's loose definition of activity this rings me the "bureaucracy explosion" bell.
Even with very low activity requirements I wonder how many administrative tasks can be performed upon a 450 edits/day overall activity.
Vito
Il giorno ven 26 apr 2019 alle ore 00:41 Asaf Bartov abartov@wikimedia.org ha scritto:
This is not India-specific, and may be of interest to other communities struggling with such a question.
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---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Ravishankar ravidreams@gmail.com Date: Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 3:05 PM Subject: [Wikimediaindia-l] Tamil Wikipedia elects 10 sysops at a time To: wikimediaindia-l wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Hi,
Tamil Wikipedia elects 10 sysops at a time after a gap of almost 5 years.
After 2013, we hit a policy deadlock where we couldn't agree on how to elect a new sysop, what are the qualities of an ideal sysop, etc.,
Even after repeated attempts, we could not solve this as the fear of being not able to easily desysop someone made us look for higher and higher bars for a perfect admin.
So, how did we solve?
Recently, MediaWiki allows someone to get sysop access for limited periods of time like 1 month, 3 months, etc., This is how Stewards grants adminship in many small wikis.
We felt when there is the possibility of granting adminships for trial periods and renew them thereafter, we don't need to keep the bar for adminship very high.
We also proposed to start a Wiki Admin School where others can mentor the new admins.
So, after a month long discussion and community consensus, we conducted our sysop elections and elected 10 sysops at a time.
Right now, we have 42 sysops with one of the highest sysops per users ration among all global Wikis.
We plan to elect 6 new sysops every quarter and are discussing a similar policy for bureaucrat election.
We strongly believe having a diverse pool of sysops makes them feel empowered to serve the Wikimedia movement for a long period of time.
If you are interested in knowing more, take a look at the policy here https://ta.wikipedia.org/s/7gmi and the discussion in the related talk page.
Thanks,
Ravi _______________________________________________ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
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