On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 1:06 AM, Danny Horn dhorn@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi everyone,
WMF's Community Tech team is starting to work on a Cross-wiki watchlist, one of the top 10 wishes in the Community Wishlist Survey that we conducted at the end of last year. [1]
We're running a survey on how people use their watchlists, to help inform our work.
Hi everyone,
A couple of months ago, the Community Tech team ran a survey to gather information on how Wikimedians use their watchlists. You can see the results here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Tech/Cross-wiki_watchlist#Survey_r...
If you're interested, there are also some very early and rough wireframes available on the project page: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Tech/Cross-wiki_watchlist#Current_...
//Johan Jönsson --
Hi!
How could one participate in the survey? I've just scrolled through past issues of Tech News and did not find any mention of the survey, nor I remember it mentioned in any other place. Was there some way to find about it besides from this list? Which readers are clearly not the most Wikimedia movement representative selection.
Yours, --Base
21.05.2016, 04:21, "Johan Jönsson" jjonsson@wikimedia.org:
On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 1:06 AM, Danny Horn dhorn@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi everyone,
WMF's Community Tech team is starting to work on a Cross-wiki watchlist, one of the top 10 wishes in the Community Wishlist Survey that we conducted at the end of last year. [1]
We're running a survey on how people use their watchlists, to help inform our work.
Hi everyone,
A couple of months ago, the Community Tech team ran a survey to gather information on how Wikimedians use their watchlists. You can see the results here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Tech/Cross-wiki_watchlist#Survey_r...
If you're interested, there are also some very early and rough wireframes available on the project page: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Tech/Cross-wiki_watchlist#Current_...
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It is reasonable to presume watchlists are important for all active Wikimedians on all projects, having a self-selected 'user sample space' of 87, seems small. I know the survey was mentioned on this email list and posted on some noticeboards, but it would have made sense to hold open the survey, and send around a couple more notices, until a few hundred people took part.[1]
To put this in context, there are currently more than 75,000 "active" editors,[2] so a participation rate in a survey targeted at active system contributors of 0.1% is statistically poor. Though a small sample can highlight problems with the user experience, and even discover bugs, you would probably need to aim for 0.5% to 1% of the population to make statistically credible conclusions about what the editor community prefers, or to justify investment in non-critical system improvement. It is interesting to observe that if the sample were engineered to be less self-selected, then statistically it might be valid to draw conclusions from a relatively small sample.
I note that in the survey feedback, the home projects of users is not reported. This is a pity as it is hard to judge if the survey was biased to English speakers/writers, possibly as a consequence of the languages of notices and emails posted.
Links 1. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Tech/Cross-wiki_watchlist 2. http://reportcard.wmflabs.org
Fae
On 23 May 2016 at 15:34, Bohdan Melnychuk base-w@yandex.ru wrote:
Hi!
How could one participate in the survey? I've just scrolled through past issues of Tech News and did not find any mention of the survey, nor I remember it mentioned in any other place. Was there some way to find about it besides from this list? Which readers are clearly not the most Wikimedia movement representative selection.
Yours, --Base
21.05.2016, 04:21, "Johan Jönsson" jjonsson@wikimedia.org:
On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 1:06 AM, Danny Horn dhorn@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi everyone,
WMF's Community Tech team is starting to work on a Cross-wiki watchlist, one of the top 10 wishes in the Community Wishlist Survey that we conducted at the end of last year. [1]
We're running a survey on how people use their watchlists, to help inform our work.
Hi everyone,
A couple of months ago, the Community Tech team ran a survey to gather information on how Wikimedians use their watchlists. You can see the results here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Tech/Cross-wiki_watchlist#Survey_r...
If you're interested, there are also some very early and rough wireframes available on the project page: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Tech/Cross-wiki_watchlist#Current_...
//Johan Jönsson
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Base:
How could one participate in the survey? I've just scrolled through past issues of Tech News and did not find any mention of the survey, nor I remember it mentioned in any other place. Was there some way to find about it besides from this list? Which readers are clearly not the most Wikimedia movement representative selection.
Agreed – though it was mentioned in a few other places, it was never meant to be a huge survey, and we're careful not to base too much of the development on it. The point was to get some first feedback to start working, and then gather more once we had something substantial to show. Rather than gather a lot of information and then build something, we hope to work with the community all the way through the process, so to speak.
Fæ:
It is reasonable to presume watchlists are important for all active Wikimedians on all projects, having a self-selected 'user sample space' of 87, seems small. I know the survey was mentioned on this email list and posted on some noticeboards, but it would have made sense to hold open the survey, and send around a couple more notices, until a few hundred people took part.[1]
A clarification: the cross-wiki watchlist is not supposed to replace the existing watchlist. We're building it so that users who like it and are active on several wikis can use it instead, but only if they choose to.
//Johan Jönsson --
My English Wikipedia talkpage is watchlisted by a surprising number of users that I have no cooperative or friendly editing relationship with. Some of them refer to themselves as "talkpage stalkers." Might it be possible for a user to prohibit such persons from watchlisting him or her? If it's not possible to selectively prohibit, how about an on/off switch, i.e. *no-one* may watchlist an editor's individual talkpage.
Trillium Corsage
21.05.2016, 02:20, "Johan Jönsson" <email clipped>:
On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 1:06 AM, Danny Horn dhorn@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi everyone,
WMF's Community Tech team is starting to work on a Cross-wiki watchlist, one of the top 10 wishes in the Community Wishlist Survey that we conducted at the end of last year. [1]
We're running a survey on how people use their watchlists, to help inform our work.
Hi everyone,
A couple of months ago, the Community Tech team ran a survey to gather information on how Wikimedians use their watchlists. You can see the results here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Tech/Cross-wiki_watchlist#Survey_r...
If you're interested, there are also some very early and rough wireframes available on the project page: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Tech/Cross-wiki_watchlist#Current_...
//Johan Jönsson
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talk-page stalker is not necessarily an unfriendly term. It's meant as an explanation for why the person saw the question, and posted there. But perhaps we could find a better term for this, as stalker does have unfortunate connotations.
On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 2:40 PM, Trillium Corsage trillium2014@yandex.com wrote:
My English Wikipedia talkpage is watchlisted by a surprising number of users that I have no cooperative or friendly editing relationship with. Some of them refer to themselves as "talkpage stalkers." Might it be possible for a user to prohibit such persons from watchlisting him or her? If it's not possible to selectively prohibit, how about an on/off switch, i.e. *no-one* may watchlist an editor's individual talkpage.
Trillium Corsage
21.05.2016, 02:20, "Johan Jönsson" <email clipped>:
On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 1:06 AM, Danny Horn dhorn@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi everyone,
WMF's Community Tech team is starting to work on a Cross-wiki
watchlist,
one of the top 10 wishes in the Community Wishlist Survey that we
conducted
at the end of last year. [1]
We're running a survey on how people use their watchlists, to help
inform
our work.
Hi everyone,
A couple of months ago, the Community Tech team ran a survey to gather information on how Wikimedians use their watchlists. You can see the results here:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Tech/Cross-wiki_watchlist#Survey_r...
If you're interested, there are also some very early and rough wireframes available on the project page:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Tech/Cross-wiki_watchlist#Current_...
//Johan Jönsson
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"Talkpage watcher" would do fine.
Newyorkbrad/IBM
On 5/26/16, David Goodman dggenwp@gmail.com wrote:
talk-page stalker is not necessarily an unfriendly term. It's meant as an explanation for why the person saw the question, and posted there. But perhaps we could find a better term for this, as stalker does have unfortunate connotations.
On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 2:40 PM, Trillium Corsage trillium2014@yandex.com wrote:
My English Wikipedia talkpage is watchlisted by a surprising number of users that I have no cooperative or friendly editing relationship with. Some of them refer to themselves as "talkpage stalkers." Might it be possible for a user to prohibit such persons from watchlisting him or her? If it's not possible to selectively prohibit, how about an on/off switch, i.e. *no-one* may watchlist an editor's individual talkpage.
Trillium Corsage
21.05.2016, 02:20, "Johan Jönsson" <email clipped>:
On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 1:06 AM, Danny Horn dhorn@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi everyone,
WMF's Community Tech team is starting to work on a Cross-wiki
watchlist,
one of the top 10 wishes in the Community Wishlist Survey that we
conducted
at the end of last year. [1]
We're running a survey on how people use their watchlists, to help
inform
our work.
Hi everyone,
A couple of months ago, the Community Tech team ran a survey to gather information on how Wikimedians use their watchlists. You can see the results here:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Tech/Cross-wiki_watchlist#Survey_r...
If you're interested, there are also some very early and rough wireframes available on the project page:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Tech/Cross-wiki_watchlist#Current_...
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Talk pages are for communication. If people were unable to watch these pages they would become less useful.
J
On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 10:30 AM, Newyorkbrad newyorkbrad@gmail.com wrote:
"Talkpage watcher" would do fine.
Newyorkbrad/IBM
On 5/26/16, David Goodman dggenwp@gmail.com wrote:
talk-page stalker is not necessarily an unfriendly term. It's meant as an explanation for why the person saw the question, and posted there. But perhaps we could find a better term for this, as stalker does have unfortunate connotations.
On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 2:40 PM, Trillium Corsage <
trillium2014@yandex.com>
wrote:
My English Wikipedia talkpage is watchlisted by a surprising number of users that I have no cooperative or friendly editing relationship with. Some of them refer to themselves as "talkpage stalkers." Might it be possible for a user to prohibit such persons from watchlisting him or
her?
If it's not possible to selectively prohibit, how about an on/off
switch,
i.e. *no-one* may watchlist an editor's individual talkpage.
Trillium Corsage
21.05.2016, 02:20, "Johan Jönsson" <email clipped>:
On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 1:06 AM, Danny Horn dhorn@wikimedia.org
wrote:
Hi everyone,
WMF's Community Tech team is starting to work on a Cross-wiki
watchlist,
one of the top 10 wishes in the Community Wishlist Survey that we
conducted
at the end of last year. [1]
We're running a survey on how people use their watchlists, to help
inform
our work.
Hi everyone,
A couple of months ago, the Community Tech team ran a survey to gather information on how Wikimedians use their watchlists. You can see the results here:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Tech/Cross-wiki_watchlist#Survey_r...
If you're interested, there are also some very early and rough wireframes available on the project page:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Tech/Cross-wiki_watchlist#Current_...
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Yeah, I don't guess this is a matter of whether it is technically possible, but rather if the community would like to allow such functionality (what would then stop a troll to selectively disable all admins to watch his/her talkpage?)
Lodewijk
2016-05-27 6:31 GMT+02:00 James Heilman jmh649@gmail.com:
Talk pages are for communication. If people were unable to watch these pages they would become less useful.
J
On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 10:30 AM, Newyorkbrad newyorkbrad@gmail.com wrote:
"Talkpage watcher" would do fine.
Newyorkbrad/IBM
On 5/26/16, David Goodman dggenwp@gmail.com wrote:
talk-page stalker is not necessarily an unfriendly term. It's meant as
an
explanation for why the person saw the question, and posted there. But perhaps we could find a better term for this, as stalker does have unfortunate connotations.
On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 2:40 PM, Trillium Corsage <
trillium2014@yandex.com>
wrote:
My English Wikipedia talkpage is watchlisted by a surprising number of users that I have no cooperative or friendly editing relationship
with.
Some of them refer to themselves as "talkpage stalkers." Might it be possible for a user to prohibit such persons from watchlisting him or
her?
If it's not possible to selectively prohibit, how about an on/off
switch,
i.e. *no-one* may watchlist an editor's individual talkpage.
Trillium Corsage
21.05.2016, 02:20, "Johan Jönsson" <email clipped>:
On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 1:06 AM, Danny Horn dhorn@wikimedia.org
wrote:
Hi everyone,
WMF's Community Tech team is starting to work on a Cross-wiki
watchlist,
one of the top 10 wishes in the Community Wishlist Survey that we
conducted
at the end of last year. [1]
We're running a survey on how people use their watchlists, to help
inform
our work.
Hi everyone,
A couple of months ago, the Community Tech team ran a survey to
gather
information on how Wikimedians use their watchlists. You can see the results here:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Tech/Cross-wiki_watchlist#Survey_r...
If you're interested, there are also some very early and rough wireframes available on the project page:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Tech/Cross-wiki_watchlist#Current_...
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