On 2/24/07, Casey Brown cbrown1023@comcast.net wrote:
Is your point that we should remove all "fair use images", causing the articles to be without an image making someone donate a free one?
Cbrown1023
Close I would suggest replaceing them with this (click the image):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Mamet
I like that idea. However, that may not work for all cases. It is an interesting story to mention, but does not have applicability to all instances of fair use images. We should also recall that the readers (the ones we are really writing this for), would like to see an image until there.
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On 2/24/07, Casey Brown cbrown1023@comcast.net wrote:
Is your point that we should remove all "fair use images", causing the articles to be without an image making someone donate a free one?
Cbrown1023
Close I would suggest replaceing them with this (click the image):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Mamet
On 2/24/07, geni geniice@gmail.com wrote:
On 2/24/07, Casey Brown cbrown1023@comcast.net wrote:
Is your point that we should remove all "fair use images", causing the articles to be without an image making someone donate a free one?
Cbrown1023
Close I would suggest replaceing them with this (click the image):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Mamet
geni
That's an good idea. I was also going to suggest, where people/projects want to use *some* fair use images, might it be an idea to somehow identify fair use images as such *within the article* - by, say, putting a coloured border around it and having a text that says "This image is not free - help us find one", and linking to a template or other page as is done in this case?
Dunno..
Cormac
On 2/24/07, Cormac Lawler cormaggio@gmail.com wrote:
That's an good idea. I was also going to suggest, where people/projects want to use *some* fair use images, might it be an idea to somehow identify fair use images as such *within the article*
- by, say, putting a coloured border around it and having a text that
says "This image is not free - help us find one", and linking to a template or other page as is done in this case?
Dunno..
Cormac
This has been suggested but has never really got anywhere. You couldn't quite patch it into the fromowner system because step 4 in the upload instructions wouldn't work. You could set up a parallel system. The Devs might not be too happy though.
On 2/24/07, geni geniice@gmail.com wrote:
On 2/24/07, Cormac Lawler cormaggio@gmail.com wrote:
That's an good idea. I was also going to suggest, where people/projects want to use *some* fair use images, might it be an idea to somehow identify fair use images as such *within the article*
- by, say, putting a coloured border around it and having a text that
says "This image is not free - help us find one", and linking to a template or other page as is done in this case?
Dunno..
Cormac
This has been suggested but has never really got anywhere. You couldn't quite patch it into the fromowner system because step 4 in the upload instructions wouldn't work. You could set up a parallel system. The Devs might not be too happy though.
Right - I was actually thinking of something that would be activated (for want of a better word) when including the image within an article. Couldn't it be a simple template that would include the image as well as the colours/texts around the image that indicate "fair use - not free"? True, this would mean it is up to the person including the image to see whether the image is free or fair use - but it could easily become standard practice.
Cormac
On 24/02/07, Cormac Lawler cormaggio@gmail.com wrote:
On 2/24/07, geni geniice@gmail.com wrote:
On 2/24/07, Cormac Lawler cormaggio@gmail.com wrote:
That's an good idea. I was also going to suggest, where people/projects want to use *some* fair use images, might it be an idea to somehow identify fair use images as such *within the article*
- by, say, putting a coloured border around it and having a text that
says "This image is not free - help us find one", and linking to a template or other page as is done in this case?
Dunno..
Cormac
This has been suggested but has never really got anywhere. You couldn't quite patch it into the fromowner system because step 4 in the upload instructions wouldn't work. You could set up a parallel system. The Devs might not be too happy though.
Right - I was actually thinking of something that would be activated (for want of a better word) when including the image within an article. Couldn't it be a simple template that would include the image as well as the colours/texts around the image that indicate "fair use
- not free"? True, this would mean it is up to the person including
the image to see whether the image is free or fair use - but it could easily become standard practice.
A much technically neater solution, which doesn't rely on users doing the right thing, is surely to have local files (all of which will be tagged as non-free, as otherwise they'd be on Commons, post SUL) have such "WARNING, BAD NASTY EVIL COPYRIGHTSNESS!" image CSS.
But this is, really, not the best place to be having such a discussion; perhaps commons-l, or wikipedia-l (though other projects use images too, obviously).
Yours,
Yeah, meta-l would be great for this :) I heard someone that it might be set up, i hope it comes soon! :)
Lodewijk
2007/2/24, James Forrester jdforrester@gmail.com:
On 24/02/07, Cormac Lawler cormaggio@gmail.com wrote:
On 2/24/07, geni geniice@gmail.com wrote:
On 2/24/07, Cormac Lawler cormaggio@gmail.com wrote:
That's an good idea. I was also going to suggest, where people/projects want to use *some* fair use images, might it be an idea to somehow identify fair use images as such *within the
article*
- by, say, putting a coloured border around it and having a text
that
says "This image is not free - help us find one", and linking to a template or other page as is done in this case?
Dunno..
Cormac
This has been suggested but has never really got anywhere. You couldn't quite patch it into the fromowner system because step 4 in the upload instructions wouldn't work. You could set up a parallel system. The Devs might not be too happy though.
Right - I was actually thinking of something that would be activated (for want of a better word) when including the image within an article. Couldn't it be a simple template that would include the image as well as the colours/texts around the image that indicate "fair use
- not free"? True, this would mean it is up to the person including
the image to see whether the image is free or fair use - but it could easily become standard practice.
A much technically neater solution, which doesn't rely on users doing the right thing, is surely to have local files (all of which will be tagged as non-free, as otherwise they'd be on Commons, post SUL) have such "WARNING, BAD NASTY EVIL COPYRIGHTSNESS!" image CSS.
But this is, really, not the best place to be having such a discussion; perhaps commons-l, or wikipedia-l (though other projects use images too, obviously).
Yours,
James D. Forrester jdforrester@wikimedia.org | james@jdforrester.org | jdforrester@gmail.com [[Wikipedia:User:Jdforrester|James F.]]
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