Is WMF approved that???
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Note that creating page without logging in is also banned in enwiki.
On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 10:19 AM, HW waihorace@yahoo.com.hk wrote:
A recent discussion on zh Wikipedia is talking about the WMF private policy which is on http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Privacy_policy . Some IP user says that in the sentence "The Foundation does not require editors to register with a project. Anyone can edit without logging in with a username, in which case they will be identified by network IP address." , createpage is a edit,
so
the wiki should not disable IP's createpage and allowed only user to createpage.
The question is: IS CREATEPAGE MUST NOT BE DISABLE TO IP USER?
Please WMF staff answer this question and it is related to a recent discussion on http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/...
Thanks. HW - user of zhwiki.
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On 24 December 2010 10:20, HW waihorace@yahoo.com.hk wrote:
A recent discussion on zh Wikipedia is talking about the WMF private policy which is on http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Privacy_policy . Some IP user says that in the sentence "The Foundation does not require editors to register with a project. Anyone can edit without logging in with a username, in which case they will be identified by network IP address." , createpage is a edit, so the wiki should not disable IP's createpage and allowed only user to createpage.
The question is: IS CREATEPAGE MUST NOT BE DISABLE TO IP USER?
The short answer is: disabling createpage for IPs does not conflict with the privacy policy and is *allowed*. (zhwp can always decide to turn it back on, though. This is also allowed!)
"Anyone can edit without logging in with a username, in which case they will be identified by network IP address".
The intent of that line is really to say "if you edit without a username, you will still be recorded" rather than to provide an absolute right for all edits of any form to be IP-based.
Remember, "normal" editing isn't allowed all the time. If we say that createpage should be allowed because it is an edit, and edits should always be allowed, we could also argue that no pages should be semi-protected (people are stopped from editing them without usernames) or IPs blocked (those people are stopped from editing without usernames). Createpage is just a version of the same idea...
Addressing the other half of this issue, "is creating a page = to editing", I'd argue that page creation is a subset of editing with a fundamental difference. Creating a page has different requirements (such as meeting mandatory inclusion requirements, like notability, or local project rules) that a simple copyedit or typo fix doesn't have. Furthermore, vandalism with page creation used to be much more annoying to deal with (although that's improved over time with certain tools and plugins).
So yes, I think in theory a page creation does "equal" an edit, but having said that there are real-world reasons a community might wish to treat the two actions separate. It probably also doesn't help that our community uses a different connotation for edit than does the rest of the world (i.e. to save a revision of a MediaWiki page vs. make changes to an existing document.)
Happy holidays,
-Dan On Dec 24, 2010, at 4:06 PM, Andrew Gray wrote:
On 24 December 2010 10:20, HW waihorace@yahoo.com.hk wrote:
A recent discussion on zh Wikipedia is talking about the WMF private policy which is on http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Privacy_policy . Some IP user says that in the sentence "The Foundation does not require editors to register with a project. Anyone can edit without logging in with a username, in which case they will be identified by network IP address." , createpage is a edit, so the wiki should not disable IP's createpage and allowed only user to createpage.
The question is: IS CREATEPAGE MUST NOT BE DISABLE TO IP USER?
The short answer is: disabling createpage for IPs does not conflict with the privacy policy and is *allowed*. (zhwp can always decide to turn it back on, though. This is also allowed!)
"Anyone can edit without logging in with a username, in which case they will be identified by network IP address".
The intent of that line is really to say "if you edit without a username, you will still be recorded" rather than to provide an absolute right for all edits of any form to be IP-based.
Remember, "normal" editing isn't allowed all the time. If we say that createpage should be allowed because it is an edit, and edits should always be allowed, we could also argue that no pages should be semi-protected (people are stopped from editing them without usernames) or IPs blocked (those people are stopped from editing without usernames). Createpage is just a version of the same idea...
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On 24 December 2010 23:20, Dan Rosenthal swatjester@gmail.com wrote:
Addressing the other half of this issue, "is creating a page = to editing", I'd argue that page creation is a subset of editing with a fundamental difference. Creating a page has different requirements (such as meeting mandatory inclusion requirements, like notability, or local project rules) that a simple copyedit or typo fix doesn't have. Furthermore, vandalism with page creation used to be much more annoying to deal with (although that's improved over time with certain tools and plugins).
So yes, I think in theory a page creation does "equal" an edit, but having said that there are real-world reasons a community might wish to treat the two actions separate. It probably also doesn't help that our community uses a different connotation for edit than does the rest of the world (i.e. to save a revision of a MediaWiki page vs. make changes to an existing document.)
The confusion you often get in these discussions is that "is" does not equal "equals". When converting natural language into mathematical notation, you need to be careful. Creating a page *is* an edit, but it is not equal to an edit.
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