The 30-post soft limit for this email is not being applied. I recall in the past that individuals were warned and even put on moderation; ensuring that no individual overwhelms this list with their one viewpoint. I raised this with the list moderators on 4th December, but have yet to receive a reply.
Anyone interested can check the figures for the last two months: * November - one person posted 39 emails to the list https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2015-November/author.html * December - the same person has posted 33 times so far https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2015-December/author.html
Can the list administrators please make a New Year resolution to start warning all users exceeding the 30 post limit, and to apply long term moderation if they persist in pushing their viewpoint aggressively this way?
If anyone thinks the 30-post limit is an unreasonable expectation, then they are free to test the waters with a proposal to make it 40...
Thanks, Fae
The 30 post limit came about in a different era, when the list had problems at a greater scale. I don't see any issues with post frequency recently that should have received moderator response. You are referring to GerardM, but the majority of his posts have been to a single thread. I can't speak to whether that has interfered with that particular thread, but it certainly hasn't presented any problems to the list as a whole.
By the way, Erik Zachte keeps statistics: https://stats.wikimedia.org/mail-lists/wikimedia-l.html
Much easier than skimming through a list of posts and trying to count them up.
I very much agree with Fae on this. Certainly, some people will always post more than others, e.g. because they have a specific task in the movement. But often I wonder whether a post on this list was really necessary. For example, sometimes it makes sense not to react immediately to another post but wait some time for other reactions and then answer to all of them in one post. That also keeps the thread tidier for other people to follow the conversations. Kind regards Ziko
Am Donnerstag, 31. Dezember 2015 schrieb Nathan :
The 30 post limit came about in a different era, when the list had problems at a greater scale. I don't see any issues with post frequency recently that should have received moderator response. You are referring to GerardM, but the majority of his posts have been to a single thread. I can't speak to whether that has interfered with that particular thread, but it certainly hasn't presented any problems to the list as a whole.
By the way, Erik Zachte keeps statistics: https://stats.wikimedia.org/mail-lists/wikimedia-l.html
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A summary of the total number of posts from people going over the 30 post limit in the last 4 months, with one person having gone over 30 posts for 3 months running:
October: none November: 39 December: 33, 35 January: 31, 32, 32
The discussion about other ways of viewing posts, appears to have come to a end without any realistic changes. Last month was lively, however the increasing numbers of people going over the 30 post number shows this is hard to keep an eye on when hot topics are around. It would be great if the list moderators could privately email those at risk of going over (say, when they hit 25 posts) and remind them that it helps to encourage all viewpoints to be seen and read if "power posters" could stick to the limit. Perhaps reminder emails could be automated by bot, and so remain impersonal?
Link: * https://stats.wikimedia.org/mail-lists/wikimedia-l.html
PS for transparency I posted 27 times in January, placing me as the seventh highest last month, but I was helped by a prod from the list mod, even though I was in the middle of the popular Geshuri discussion.
Fae
On 31 December 2015 at 16:22, Ziko van Dijk zvandijk@gmail.com wrote:
I very much agree with Fae on this. Certainly, some people will always post more than others, e.g. because they have a specific task in the movement. But often I wonder whether a post on this list was really necessary. For example, sometimes it makes sense not to react immediately to another post but wait some time for other reactions and then answer to all of them in one post. That also keeps the thread tidier for other people to follow the conversations. Kind regards Ziko
Am Donnerstag, 31. Dezember 2015 schrieb Nathan :
The 30 post limit came about in a different era, when the list had problems at a greater scale. I don't see any issues with post frequency recently that should have received moderator response. You are referring to GerardM, but the majority of his posts have been to a single thread. I can't speak to whether that has interfered with that particular thread, but it certainly hasn't presented any problems to the list as a whole.
By the way, Erik Zachte keeps statistics: https://stats.wikimedia.org/mail-lists/wikimedia-l.html
Much easier than skimming through a list of posts and trying to count them up.
Il 01/02/2016 14:54, Fæ ha scritto:
A summary of the total number of posts from people going over the 30 post limit in the last 4 months, with one person having gone over 30 posts for 3 months running:
October: none November: 39 December: 33, 35 January: 31, 32, 32
Then the trend is getting closer and closer to the 30 emails/month limit.
Vito
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