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Thomas Shafee

16 May 2019 16 May '19

5:29 a.m.

Hello Wikimedia-l, This is a quick request for comment for those interested in codes of conduct (relevant to user groups and possibly projects as well). In collaboration with the Wikimedia Foundation’s trust and safety team, a code of conduct has been drafted over the last few months for the WikiJournal User Group <https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_User_Group>. We have drawn inspiration from CoCs used in different Wikimedia areas and open projects (listed below the draft). *Draft code of conduct available here* <https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_User_Group/Code_of_conduct/Draft> Everyone is welcome to provide suggestions over the next week on how to improve it: please join the discussion here <https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Talk:WikiJournal_User_Group/Code_of_conduct/Draft> ! It has been written to be adaptable to other user groups, affiliates and projects if they want to adapt & adopt something (generalised version <https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_User_Group/Code_of_conduct/General> ). The user group was We were initially aiming to vote on it in May, however in order to give a bit more time for feedback, that's being extended to early June. Sincerely, Thomas Shafee

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Shani Evenstein

26 May 26 May

8:57 p.m.

New subject: Feedback requested for draft code of conduct for user group

Dear all, To all those who care about making Wikimedia projects a safe and harassment-free space, especially if you are coming from thematic User Groups -- Please take a look at the Code of Conduct <https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_User_Group/Code_of_conduct/Draft> draft for WikiJournals. They have researched the topic of Code of Conduct quite extensively in and outside the movement, and what they came up could potentially be used for other affiliates. I know I'll definitely promote that in the two User Groups I chair. The group will be voting on it really soon, so thought I'd bring this to your attention again, so anyone with a passion for community health will have a chance to add comments in the discussion page <https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Talk:WikiJournal_User_Group/Code_of_conduct/Draft> . Best, Shani. ----------------------------------------------- *Shani Evenstein Sigalov* * Lecturer, Tel Aviv University. * EdTech Innovation Strategist, NY/American Medical Program, Sackler School of Medicine, Tel Aviv University. * PhD Candidate, School of Education, Tel Aviv University. * OER & Emerging Technologies Coordinator, UNESCO Chair <https://education.tau.ac.il/node/3495> on Technology, Internationalization and Education, School of Education, Tel Aviv University <https://education.tau.ac.il/node/3495>. * Chairperson, WikiProject Medicine Foundation <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiki_Project_Med>. * Chairperson, Wikipedia & Education User Group <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_%26_Education_User_Group>. * Chairperson, The Hebrew Literature Digitization Society <http://www.israelgives.org/amuta/580428621>. * Chief Editor, Project Ben-Yehuda <http://bybe.benyehuda.org>. +972-525640648 On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 9:34 AM Thomas Shafee <thomas.shafee(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Everyone is welcome to provide suggestions over the next week on how to improve it: please join the discussion here < https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Talk:WikiJournal_User_Group/Code_of_conduct…

! It has been written to be adaptable to other user groups, affiliates and projects if they want to adapt & adopt something (generalised version < https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_User_Group/Code_of_conduct/Gene…

). The user group was We were initially aiming to vote on it in May, however in order to give a bit more time for feedback, that's being extended to early June. Sincerely, Thomas Shafee _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

Mister Thrapostibongles

27 May 27 May

6:08 a.m.

New subject: Feedback requested for draft code of conduct for user group

Thomas An excellent idea, no doubt, but is multiplying codes of conduct really the best way forward? Would it not be better if the Foundation were to promulgate a single code of conduct covering all its projects and spaces, and then supplement that with individual guidelines in specific cases? Thrapostibongles On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 7:34 AM Thomas Shafee <thomas.shafee(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Everyone is welcome to provide suggestions over the next week on how to improve it: please join the discussion here < https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Talk:WikiJournal_User_Group/Code_of_conduct…

Paulo Santos Perneta

1:12 p.m.

New subject: Feedback requested for draft code of conduct for user group

Hi Shani, I'm curious if non discriminating anyone politically could imply a group or community being forced to accept people from the extreme right or the likes of it, with public (but not onwiki) views against migration, promoting racial discrimination, and revisionism, for instance? This is not a theoretical question, but a practical one, actually. Best, Paulo Shani Evenstein <shani.even(a)gmail.com> escreveu no dia domingo, 26/05/2019 à(s) 21:58:

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draft for WikiJournals. They have researched the topic of Code of Conduct quite extensively in and outside the movement, and what they came up could potentially be used for other affiliates. I know I'll definitely promote that in the two User Groups I chair. The group will be voting on it really soon, so thought I'd bring this to your attention again, so anyone with a passion for community health will have a chance to add comments in the discussion page < https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Talk:WikiJournal_User_Group/Code_of_conduct…

. Best, Shani. ----------------------------------------------- *Shani Evenstein Sigalov* * Lecturer, Tel Aviv University. * EdTech Innovation Strategist, NY/American Medical Program, Sackler School of Medicine, Tel Aviv University. * PhD Candidate, School of Education, Tel Aviv University. * OER & Emerging Technologies Coordinator, UNESCO Chair <https://education.tau.ac.il/node/3495> on Technology, Internationalization and Education, School of Education, Tel Aviv University <https://education.tau.ac.il/node/3495>. * Chairperson, WikiProject Medicine Foundation <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiki_Project_Med>. * Chairperson, Wikipedia & Education User Group <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_%26_Education_User_Group>. * Chairperson, The Hebrew Literature Digitization Society <http://www.israelgives.org/amuta/580428621>. * Chief Editor, Project Ben-Yehuda <http://bybe.benyehuda.org>. +972-525640648 On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 9:34 AM Thomas Shafee <thomas.shafee(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hello Wikimedia-l,

> This is a quick request for comment for those interested in codes of > conduct (relevant to user groups and possibly projects as well).

> In collaboration with the Wikimedia Foundation’s trust and safety team, a > code of conduct has been drafted over the last few months for the > WikiJournal > User Group <https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_User_Group>. We > have drawn inspiration from CoCs used in different Wikimedia areas and open > projects (listed below the draft).

> *Draft code of conduct available here* > <

https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_User_Group/Code_of_conduct/Draft >

> Everyone is welcome to provide suggestions over the next week on how to > improve it: please join the discussion here > <

https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Talk:WikiJournal_User_Group/Code_of_conduct… >

> !

> It has been written to be adaptable to other user groups, affiliates and > projects if they want to adapt & adopt something (generalised version > <

https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_User_Group/Code_of_conduct/Gene… >

> ).

> The user group was We were initially aiming to vote on it in May, however > in order to give a bit more time for feedback, that's being extended to > early June.

> Sincerely,

> Thomas Shafee > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

Mister Thrapostibongles

2:42 p.m.

New subject: Feedback requested for draft code of conduct for user group

Paulo

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I'm curious if non discriminating anyone politically could imply a group or community being forced to accept people from the extreme right or the likes of it, with public (but not onwiki) views against migration, promoting racial discrimination, and revisionism, for instance?

camelia boban

28 May 28 May

4:03 p.m.

New subject: Feedback requested for draft code of conduct for user group

I agree a unique, inconfondible and free of interpretations CoC to be adopted by all UGs, as suggested by Thrapostibongles. Camelia -- *Camelia Boban* *| Java EE Developer |* *Affiliations Committee - **Wikimedia *Foundation Coordinator - Diversity Working Group for Wikimedia Strategy 2030 Chair & co-founder - WikiDonne User Group *| WikiDonne Project ideator* *Diversity Space @ Wikimania 2019 Co-Lead* WMIT - WMSE - WMCH - WMAR Member M. +39 3383385545 camelia.boban(a)gmail.com *Aissa Technologies* <http://aissatechnologies.eu/>* | *Twitter <https://twitter.com/cameliaboban> *|* *LinkedIn <https://www.linkedin.com/in/camelia-boban-31319122>* *Wikipedia <https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Camelia.boban> **| **WikiDonne UG <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiDonne>* | *WikiDonne Project <https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progetto:WikiDonne> * Il giorno mar 28 mag 2019 alle ore 17:33 Mister Thrapostibongles < thrapostibongles(a)gmail.com> ha scritto:

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Paulo

I'm curious if non discriminating anyone politically could imply a group

community being forced to accept people from the extreme right or the

likes

of it, with public (but not onwiki) views against migration, promoting racial discrimination, and revisionism, for instance?

Surely if a participant in a project is known to be an adherent of a murderous ideology, with a history of genocide, that takes the view that a certain class of person should be discriminated against, treated as inferior or subject to violence or extermination -- then any member of the class discriminated against would have reasonable, eve strong, grounds for feeling threatened by that participation? Thrapostibongles _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

Dennis During

9:13 p.m.

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Is Wikimedia 'friendly' to or 'safe' for people who voted for, donated to, or worked for Trump or Farage or Reagan or LePen or Berlusconi or Modi or Bolsonaro or Orban or Bush or Thatcher or Churchill? On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 12:04 PM camelia boban <camelia.boban(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Paulo > > I'm curious if non discriminating anyone politically could imply a

group

community being forced to accept people from the extreme right or the

likes

of it, with public (but not onwiki) views against migration, promoting racial discrimination, and revisionism, for instance?

Surely if a participant in a project is known to be an adherent of a murderous ideology, with a history of genocide, that takes the view that

certain class of person should be discriminated against, treated as inferior or subject to violence or extermination -- then any member of

the

class discriminated against would have reasonable, eve strong, grounds

for

feeling threatened by that participation? Thrapostibongles _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

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Eduardo Testart

9:29 p.m.

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It should be, but I don't find this kind of comments particulary useful, since they doesn't seem to contribute to the overall discussion. I believe that a central or unique code of conduct that everyone adheres to, should be the most efficient way to go, if any particulairties are needed to be put in place, those should be adressed as such, particular aditions due to a particular context. Cheers! On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 5:14 PM Dennis During <dcduring(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Paulo > > I'm curious if non discriminating anyone politically could imply a

group > or > > community being forced to accept people from the extreme right or the > likes > > of it, with public (but not onwiki) views against migration,

promoting

> > racial discrimination, and revisionism, for instance? > > > > Surely if a participant in a project is known to be an adherent of a > murderous ideology, with a history of genocide, that takes the view

that

certain class of person should be discriminated against, treated as inferior or subject to violence or extermination -- then any member of

the

class discriminated against would have reasonable, eve strong, grounds

for

-- Dennis C. During _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

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Paulo Santos Perneta

10:15 p.m.

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Hi Mister Thrapostibongles, I would believe so. However, after knowing a case where a WMF staff was fired after their denounce of such a situation caused a fuss in the target community, I'm not so sure the WMF shares that understanding. Until there is some strong standing from the WMF about such ideologies not being allowed in our movement, to me that still is a grey area in the CoC. Paulo Mister Thrapostibongles <thrapostibongles(a)gmail.com> escreveu no dia terça, 28/05/2019 à(s) 16:33:

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Paulo

I'm curious if non discriminating anyone politically could imply a group

community being forced to accept people from the extreme right or the

likes

of it, with public (but not onwiki) views against migration, promoting racial discrimination, and revisionism, for instance?

Dennis During

29 May 29 May

3:22 a.m.

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Would anyone care to specify or, at least, provide examples of "such ideologies" as would not be "allowed in our movement"? I have the feeling that the focus should not be on thoughts, beliefs, or attitudes, but rather on behavior. I get scared ("feel unsafe") whenever discussions take the turn that this one has, condemning people for past beliefs, for example. I am already feeling the silent menace of labellers on me for objecting to this line of discussion. On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 6:16 PM Paulo Santos Perneta < paulosperneta(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Paulo > > I'm curious if non discriminating anyone politically could imply a

group

community being forced to accept people from the extreme right or the

likes

of it, with public (but not onwiki) views against migration, promoting racial discrimination, and revisionism, for instance?

Surely if a participant in a project is known to be an adherent of a murderous ideology, with a history of genocide, that takes the view that

certain class of person should be discriminated against, treated as inferior or subject to violence or extermination -- then any member of

the

class discriminated against would have reasonable, eve strong, grounds

for

-- Dennis C. During

camelia boban

8:40 a.m.

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I do not understand how from a general proposal for a Code of Conduct for user groups one goes on to talk about ideologies, personal retaliations, irony about the politic situation of the countries of those who comment etc. Here we are discussing together whether or not we have a shared CoC. We have different criteria for UG, do we have different rules for reports, deadlines, obligations? No. So why not a CoC as much shared (and then maybe specific CoCs for particular situations). Sorry, but I don't see the meaning of this controversy. Camelia -- *Camelia Boban* *| Java EE Developer |* *Affiliations Committee - **Wikimedia *Foundation Coordinator - Diversity Working Group for Wikimedia Strategy 2030 Chair & co-founder - WikiDonne User Group *| WikiDonne Project ideator* *Diversity Space @ Wikimania 2019 Co-Lead* WMIT - WMSE - WMCH - WMAR Member M. +39 3383385545 camelia.boban(a)gmail.com *Aissa Technologies* <http://aissatechnologies.eu/>* | *Twitter <https://twitter.com/cameliaboban> *|* *LinkedIn <https://www.linkedin.com/in/camelia-boban-31319122>* *Wikipedia <https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Camelia.boban> **| **WikiDonne UG <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiDonne>* | *WikiDonne Project <https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progetto:WikiDonne> * Il giorno mer 29 mag 2019 alle ore 05:22 Dennis During <dcduring(a)gmail.com> ha scritto:

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Hi Mister Thrapostibongles, I would believe so. However, after knowing a case where a WMF staff was fired after their denounce of such a situation caused a fuss in the

target

community, I'm not so sure the WMF shares that understanding. Until there is some strong standing from the WMF about such ideologies not being allowed in our movement, to me that still is a grey area in the CoC. Paulo Mister Thrapostibongles <thrapostibongles(a)gmail.com> escreveu no dia terça, 28/05/2019 à(s) 16:33:

Paulo > > I'm curious if non discriminating anyone politically could imply a

group > or > > community being forced to accept people from the extreme right or the > likes > > of it, with public (but not onwiki) views against migration,

promoting

that

certain class of person should be discriminated against, treated as inferior or subject to violence or extermination -- then any member of

the

class discriminated against would have reasonable, eve strong, grounds

for

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