Hi
I have been proposed to give a conference about wikipedia and fake news and to focus on very specific examples rather than general concepts. I already have a few ideas but any pointers to particularly interesting cases or discussions will be welcome.
Thanks for your help.
Florence
We have the latest propaganda issue from Russia (gazprom and a troll company), that has been accepted in around 50 wikipedia versions. I see this not only as propaganda but also fake news
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q19960532
Anders
Den 2018-04-27 kl. 16:26, skrev Devouard (gmail):
Hi
I have been proposed to give a conference about wikipedia and fake news and to focus on very specific examples rather than general concepts. I already have a few ideas but any pointers to particularly interesting cases or discussions will be welcome.
Thanks for your help.
Florence
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Hi Florence,
this page might help: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:List_of_hoaxes_on_Wikipedia
It is of course very different to create a complete hoax on Wikipedia on a topic which is heavily watched. It is much easier to create a hoax on an obscure subject very few people know about, then it has a chance to stay undiscovered for a long time.
Cheers Yaroslav
On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 4:26 PM, Devouard (gmail) fdevouard@gmail.com wrote:
Hi
I have been proposed to give a conference about wikipedia and fake news and to focus on very specific examples rather than general concepts. I already have a few ideas but any pointers to particularly interesting cases or discussions will be welcome.
Thanks for your help.
Florence
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Thanks for the first answers, both online and private. (the WikiData one is good and the List of Hoax should come handy. I also got an excellent suggestion with a recent research : http://wikiworkshop.org/2018/papers/wikiworkshop2018_paper_1.pdf)
Let me be more specific... I am in particular interested in cases where it involves systematic actions involving automated systems or very large (and rich) networks against which the community would have difficulties to deal with.
For example, the issue with BDB and binary options.
Flo
Le 27/04/2018 à 16:39, Yaroslav Blanter a écrit :
Hi Florence,
this page might help: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:List_of_hoaxes_on_Wikipedia
It is of course very different to create a complete hoax on Wikipedia on a topic which is heavily watched. It is much easier to create a hoax on an obscure subject very few people know about, then it has a chance to stay undiscovered for a long time.
Cheers Yaroslav
On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 4:26 PM, Devouard (gmail) fdevouard@gmail.com wrote:
Hi
I have been proposed to give a conference about wikipedia and fake news and to focus on very specific examples rather than general concepts. I already have a few ideas but any pointers to particularly interesting cases or discussions will be welcome.
Thanks for your help.
Florence
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There are topics where generally there is a lot of POV pushing (not necessarily fake news, just people adding unreferenced or poorly referenced POV material), for example see
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Crimea
which contains a lot of both pro-Russian and pro-Ukrainian pushing. However, when it aggravates, it is easily stopped by applying a protection. There are few administrators watching these topics (I used to be one of them), but the protection requests rarely get rejected if the disruption is ongoing.
An example of more difficult situation is
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalan_independence_referendum,_2017
where two groups of editors, pro-independence and anti-independence, are operating with two groups of sources (Catalan and Spanish central government) which often contradict each other. Most of the editors seem to be good-faith, but at the talk page they do not seem to be able to agree with each other, and the article generally can not be trusted. I am afraid the community does not have any capacity to go into details of the sources and to mediate the conflict.
And articles like this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_separatist_movements_in_Europe
can contain all kind of bullshit, nobody cares. I do not think we currently have enough bandwidth to clean all these articles up, and the POV pushers know this.
Cheers Yaroslav
On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 4:58 PM, Devouard (gmail) fdevouard@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks for the first answers, both online and private. (the WikiData one is good and the List of Hoax should come handy. I also got an excellent suggestion with a recent research : http://wikiworkshop.org/2018/papers/wikiworkshop2018_paper_1.pdf)
Let me be more specific... I am in particular interested in cases where it involves systematic actions involving automated systems or very large (and rich) networks against which the community would have difficulties to deal with.
For example, the issue with BDB and binary options.
Flo
Le 27/04/2018 à 16:39, Yaroslav Blanter a écrit :
Hi Florence,
this page might help: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:List_of_hoaxes_on_Wikipedia
It is of course very different to create a complete hoax on Wikipedia on a topic which is heavily watched. It is much easier to create a hoax on an obscure subject very few people know about, then it has a chance to stay undiscovered for a long time.
Cheers Yaroslav
On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 4:26 PM, Devouard (gmail) fdevouard@gmail.com wrote:
Hi
I have been proposed to give a conference about wikipedia and fake news and to focus on very specific examples rather than general concepts. I already have a few ideas but any pointers to particularly interesting cases or discussions will be welcome.
Thanks for your help.
Florence
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To clarify, are you referring to Wikipedia's reporting of fake news, or fake news being disseminated on Wikipedia itself?
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On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 7:26 AM, Devouard (gmail) fdevouard@gmail.com wrote:
Hi
I have been proposed to give a conference about wikipedia and fake news and to focus on very specific examples rather than general concepts. I already have a few ideas but any pointers to particularly interesting cases or discussions will be welcome.
Thanks for your help.
Florence
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Try looking at the story of the "Daily Mail ban" in the English Wikipedia. Daily Mail is not really fake news (it's just sensationalist, biased, and not that useful), and the ban is not hermetic, but that is much closer to the topic of fake news than hoaxes. The discussions around the "ban", and how it is actually enacted (or not) may say something interesting about Wikipedia's relationship with media.
Try to find other examples of such bans of bad sources. Some of them will probably be true fake news sources. It will be especially cool if you can find examples from different languages and not only English and French.
Looking at spam black lists and the talk pages associated with them may also be very revealing. Despite the title, it's not just for spam in the sense of repetitive digital advertising, but for all unwanted URLs. The lists definitely have sites for pornography and white supremacy, and although I can't recall an example (and I'm now writing from my phone and can't check conveniently), they probably have a lot of fake news sites.
If you find anything interesting, please share it with us! :)
בתאריך יום ו׳, 27 באפר׳ 2018, 17:27, מאת Devouard (gmail) < fdevouard@gmail.com>:
Hi
I have been proposed to give a conference about wikipedia and fake news and to focus on very specific examples rather than general concepts. I already have a few ideas but any pointers to particularly interesting cases or discussions will be welcome.
Thanks for your help.
Florence
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Le 27/04/2018 à 17:34, Amir E. Aharoni a écrit :
Try looking at the story of the "Daily Mail ban" in the English Wikipedia. Daily Mail is not really fake news (it's just sensationalist, biased, and not that useful), and the ban is not hermetic, but that is much closer to the topic of fake news than hoaxes. The discussions around the "ban", and how it is actually enacted (or not) may say something interesting about Wikipedia's relationship with media.
Try to find other examples of such bans of bad sources. Some of them will probably be true fake news sources. It will be especially cool if you can find examples from different languages and not only English and French.
Looking at spam black lists and the talk pages associated with them may also be very revealing. Despite the title, it's not just for spam in the sense of repetitive digital advertising, but for all unwanted URLs. The lists definitely have sites for pornography and white supremacy, and although I can't recall an example (and I'm now writing from my phone and can't check conveniently), they probably have a lot of fake news sites.
If you find anything interesting, please share it with us! :)
For sure :)
Flo
בתאריך יום ו׳, 27 באפר׳ 2018, 17:27, מאת Devouard (gmail) < fdevouard@gmail.com>:
Hi
I have been proposed to give a conference about wikipedia and fake news and to focus on very specific examples rather than general concepts. I already have a few ideas but any pointers to particularly interesting cases or discussions will be welcome.
Thanks for your help.
Florence
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If you are interested - an epic story from Poland:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Forks_CEE_Meeting_2017.pdf
2018-04-27 16:26 GMT+02:00 Devouard (gmail) fdevouard@gmail.com:
Hi
I have been proposed to give a conference about wikipedia and fake news and to focus on very specific examples rather than general concepts. I already have a few ideas but any pointers to particularly interesting cases or discussions will be welcome.
Thanks for your help.
Florence
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Omg. What a ride !!!!
Thank you for sharing that one Tomasz. I guess that since this one somewhat involves France, I somehow have a duty to use it in my talk :))))
Le 28/04/2018 à 16:28, Tomasz Ganicz a écrit :
If you are interested - an epic story from Poland:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Forks_CEE_Meeting_2017.pdf
2018-04-27 16:26 GMT+02:00 Devouard (gmail) fdevouard@gmail.com:
Hi
I have been proposed to give a conference about wikipedia and fake news and to focus on very specific examples rather than general concepts. I already have a few ideas but any pointers to particularly interesting cases or discussions will be welcome.
Thanks for your help.
Florence
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