A proposal has started to allow established or trusted editors to edit via Tor, or other anon proxy. This discussion is located at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Blocking_exemption_policy
The proposed policy in its "needs to be worked on" form is located at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Blocking_exemption_policy
Regards, Mercury
On 14/01/2008, NavouWiki navouwiki@gmail.com wrote:
A proposal has started to allow established or trusted editors to edit via Tor, or other anon proxy. This discussion is located at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Blocking_exemption_policy
The proposed policy in its "needs to be worked on" form is located at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Blocking_exemption_policy
Regards, Mercury
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Why is this being posted to this list?
because its a large scale change in policy?
mark
On Jan 14, 2008 11:30 PM, Majorly axel9891@googlemail.com wrote:
On 14/01/2008, NavouWiki navouwiki@gmail.com wrote:
A proposal has started to allow established or trusted editors to edit
via
Tor, or other anon proxy. This discussion is located at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Blocking_exemption_policy
The proposed policy in its "needs to be worked on" form is located at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Blocking_exemption_policy
Regards, Mercury
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Why is this being posted to this list?
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On 14/01/2008, Mark (Markie) newsmarkie@googlemail.com wrote:
because its a large scale change in policy?
mark
On Jan 14, 2008 11:30 PM, Majorly axel9891@googlemail.com wrote:
On 14/01/2008, NavouWiki navouwiki@gmail.com wrote:
A proposal has started to allow established or trusted editors to edit
via
Tor, or other anon proxy. This discussion is located at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Blocking_exemption_policy
The proposed policy in its "needs to be worked on" form is located at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Blocking_exemption_policy
Regards, Mercury
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Why is this being posted to this list?
-- Alex (Majorly)
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It's affecting only enwiki. Enwiki has its own mailing list.
NOP was adopted from meta. I'm posting here also. Regards, Merc
-----Original Message----- From: foundation-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:foundation-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Majorly Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 5:35 PM To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Ipblock exempt proposal for en wiki
On 14/01/2008, Mark (Markie) newsmarkie@googlemail.com wrote:
because its a large scale change in policy?
mark
On Jan 14, 2008 11:30 PM, Majorly axel9891@googlemail.com wrote:
On 14/01/2008, NavouWiki navouwiki@gmail.com wrote:
A proposal has started to allow established or trusted editors to edit
via
Tor, or other anon proxy. This discussion is located at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Blocking_exemption_policy
The proposed policy in its "needs to be worked on" form is located at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Blocking_exemption_policy
Regards, Mercury
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Why is this being posted to this list?
-- Alex (Majorly)
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It's affecting only enwiki. Enwiki has its own mailing list.
On Jan 14, 2008 5:43 PM, NavouWiki navouwiki@gmail.com wrote:
NOP was adopted from meta.
I'm pretty sure that NOP started on en-wp, and that later, someone thought it would be a good idea to transwiki it to meta.
You're right. The earliest revision of the en.wiki version appeared in Jan. 2006, the Meta version started in March 2006.
Chad
On Jan 15, 2008 10:41 AM, Mike R tacodeposit@gmail.com wrote:
On Jan 14, 2008 5:43 PM, NavouWiki navouwiki@gmail.com wrote:
NOP was adopted from meta.
I'm pretty sure that NOP started on en-wp, and that later, someone thought it would be a good idea to transwiki it to meta.
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On Jan 14, 2008 6:35 PM, Majorly axel9891@googlemail.com wrote:
Why is this being posted to this list?
[snip]
It's affecting only enwiki. Enwiki has its own mailing list.
He multi-casted it.
In any case, The ability of people behind anonoymization proxies to edit the largest project is of interest to foundation folks.
As much as I am in favor of such a change in policy, I do not see it happening anytime soon. The en.wiki community has become overly paranoid recently, and it seems that a mentality of us vs. them has slowly descended. This is a bad thing. Due to this paranoia, there will always be a group who will be convinced that anonymous editing from proxies is bad, period, end of story. They see no good coming from someone wishing to better preserve their anonymity.
This mentality must change before any process can move forward.
Chad
On Jan 14, 2008 6:45 PM, Gregory Maxwell gmaxwell@gmail.com wrote:
On Jan 14, 2008 6:35 PM, Majorly axel9891@googlemail.com wrote:
Why is this being posted to this list?
[snip]
It's affecting only enwiki. Enwiki has its own mailing list.
He multi-casted it.
In any case, The ability of people behind anonoymization proxies to edit the largest project is of interest to foundation folks.
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On 15/01/2008, Chad innocentkiller@gmail.com wrote:
This mentality must change before any process can move forward.
Chad
Oh indeed.
Can you login from a TOR node? Or is traffic from TOR banned completely? If you can login, I don't see the problem. Frankly, I think logging in to make a substantial edit isn't a bad idea. The old argument is that a great deal (perhaps the majority) of content has come from IPs. True probably, but only because they didn't have to log in!
On Jan 14, 2008 7:13 PM, Majorly axel9891@googlemail.com wrote:
On 15/01/2008, Chad innocentkiller@gmail.com wrote:
This mentality must change before any process can move forward.
Chad
Oh indeed.
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On a ip hardblock, can't do anything but read. Ip exempt would permit a bypass per username.
Merc
-----Original Message----- From: foundation-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:foundation-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Nathan Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 6:16 PM To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Ipblock exempt proposal for en wiki
Can you login from a TOR node? Or is traffic from TOR banned completely? If you can login, I don't see the problem. Frankly, I think logging in to make a substantial edit isn't a bad idea. The old argument is that a great deal (perhaps the majority) of content has come from IPs. True probably, but only because they didn't have to log in!
On Jan 14, 2008 7:13 PM, Majorly axel9891@googlemail.com wrote:
On 15/01/2008, Chad innocentkiller@gmail.com wrote:
This mentality must change before any process can move forward.
Chad
Oh indeed.
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And for those who are not aware, +sysops are ipblock-exempt by default, meaning that hardblocks on IPs don't affect them.
Chad
On Jan 14, 2008 7:20 PM, NavouWiki navouwiki@gmail.com wrote:
On a ip hardblock, can't do anything but read. Ip exempt would permit a bypass per username.
Merc
-----Original Message----- From: foundation-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:foundation-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Nathan Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 6:16 PM To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Ipblock exempt proposal for en wiki
Can you login from a TOR node? Or is traffic from TOR banned completely? If you can login, I don't see the problem. Frankly, I think logging in to make a substantial edit isn't a bad idea. The old argument is that a great deal (perhaps the majority) of content has come from IPs. True probably, but only because they didn't have to log in!
On Jan 14, 2008 7:13 PM, Majorly axel9891@googlemail.com wrote:
On 15/01/2008, Chad innocentkiller@gmail.com wrote:
This mentality must change before any process can move forward.
Chad
Oh indeed.
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