Dear all,
I wanted to share some news with you: the first version of the movement strategy recommendations document has been published on Meta [1]. On behalf of the movement strategy working groups and recommendation writers, I am honored to present them to you. We ask you to please take a moment to read through, review, and comment.
In 2017, we set about building the future we want, together. In 2020, your fellow Wikimedians have written and shared a framework for how we can bring to life our vision of becoming the essential support system of the ecosystem of free knowledge.
== Review the recommendations ==
These recommendations are the result of 18 months of in-depth discussions and consultation among global Wikimedia community members and research into opportunities for our future. The volunteer working groups [2], writing teams [3] and strategy liaisons [4] have all invested a significant amount of energy into this, and I want to wholeheartedly thank each and every person who contributed to creating this work.
I would like to encourage everyone to read this work. There are 13 recommendations (condensed from 89), accompanied by an explanation of the principles [5] that underlie the recommendations, an outline of how these recommendations work together [6], as well as an overview of how the recommendations were produced and next steps [7].
The core of this material is online in Arabic, English, French, German, Hindi, Portuguese, and Spanish. We also have an overview available in Catalan, Dutch, Farsi, Hebrew, Polish, and Russian that offers a condensed introduction to the recommendations material.
== Share your feedback ==
In order to produce a final document that is representative of and relevant to the diverse project communities as well as groups and organizations that make up our movement, we are calling on everyone to review the recommendations and share their thoughts.
Specifically, we ask you to look at what impact these recommendations might have on you and your group or community’s context. Discussions are happening on-wiki in many languages, as well as in discussion groups on other, off0wiki platforms, and within movement groups and structures.
This round of community conversations will run until the first week of March [8]. After this five-week period, the Core Team will publish a summary report of input from across affiliates, online communities, and other stakeholders for public review. [9] Your input will play a role as the recommendation writers finalize the strategy document, and move us towards discussions around implementation.
You will find more information about the process in the FAQs [10], and please direct any additional questions or remarks to the respective meta pages.
Our movement is the sum of its parts. Each member brings to it invaluable skills, expertise, and ideas to capture, collect, and share free knowledge. And every single contribution made by every community member from the beginning has helped us grow into the global, diverse, and unique movement we are today.
I am honored to share this on behalf of everyone involved, and am looking forward to insights from across the movement over the next few weeks.
Katherine
[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommen... [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Working_... [3] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/People#S... [4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/People/C... [5] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommen... [6] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommen... [7] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommen... [8] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Frequent... ? [9] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Overview... [10] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Frequent...
Katherine,
These are very disappointing. It does not seem like a bit of the feedback on earlier versions was taken into consideration at all. Can we expect anything we say to matter this time around, or will we once again be talking to the wall?
Todd
On Mon, Jan 20, 2020, 8:24 PM Katherine Maher kmaher@wikimedia.org wrote:
Dear all,
I wanted to share some news with you: the first version of the movement strategy recommendations document has been published on Meta [1]. On behalf of the movement strategy working groups and recommendation writers, I am honored to present them to you. We ask you to please take a moment to read through, review, and comment.
In 2017, we set about building the future we want, together. In 2020, your fellow Wikimedians have written and shared a framework for how we can bring to life our vision of becoming the essential support system of the ecosystem of free knowledge.
== Review the recommendations ==
These recommendations are the result of 18 months of in-depth discussions and consultation among global Wikimedia community members and research into opportunities for our future. The volunteer working groups [2], writing teams [3] and strategy liaisons [4] have all invested a significant amount of energy into this, and I want to wholeheartedly thank each and every person who contributed to creating this work.
I would like to encourage everyone to read this work. There are 13 recommendations (condensed from 89), accompanied by an explanation of the principles [5] that underlie the recommendations, an outline of how these recommendations work together [6], as well as an overview of how the recommendations were produced and next steps [7].
The core of this material is online in Arabic, English, French, German, Hindi, Portuguese, and Spanish. We also have an overview available in Catalan, Dutch, Farsi, Hebrew, Polish, and Russian that offers a condensed introduction to the recommendations material.
== Share your feedback ==
In order to produce a final document that is representative of and relevant to the diverse project communities as well as groups and organizations that make up our movement, we are calling on everyone to review the recommendations and share their thoughts.
Specifically, we ask you to look at what impact these recommendations might have on you and your group or community’s context. Discussions are happening on-wiki in many languages, as well as in discussion groups on other, off0wiki platforms, and within movement groups and structures.
This round of community conversations will run until the first week of March [8]. After this five-week period, the Core Team will publish a summary report of input from across affiliates, online communities, and other stakeholders for public review. [9] Your input will play a role as the recommendation writers finalize the strategy document, and move us towards discussions around implementation.
You will find more information about the process in the FAQs [10], and please direct any additional questions or remarks to the respective meta pages.
Our movement is the sum of its parts. Each member brings to it invaluable skills, expertise, and ideas to capture, collect, and share free knowledge. And every single contribution made by every community member from the beginning has helped us grow into the global, diverse, and unique movement we are today.
I am honored to share this on behalf of everyone involved, and am looking forward to insights from across the movement over the next few weeks.
Katherine
[1]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommen... [2]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Working_... [3]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/People#S... [4]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/People/C... [5]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommen... [6]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommen... [7]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommen... [8]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Frequent... ? [9]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Overview... [10]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Frequent...
--
Katherine Maher (she/her)
Executive Director
Wikimedia Foundation https://wikimediafoundation.org/ _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
A huge thank you to all the volunteers, staff and the core team who invested in this process unimaginable hours of work.
Is there maybe a one document/pdf/printable version of the recommendations? It is a long document which I personally want to read carefully and I find it slightly complicated to read in the current wiki-structure.
*Itzik Edri* Chairperson (volunteer) itzik@wikimedia.org.il +972-54-5878078
On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 6:07 AM Todd Allen toddmallen@gmail.com wrote:
Katherine,
These are very disappointing. It does not seem like a bit of the feedback on earlier versions was taken into consideration at all. Can we expect anything we say to matter this time around, or will we once again be talking to the wall?
Todd
On Mon, Jan 20, 2020, 8:24 PM Katherine Maher kmaher@wikimedia.org wrote:
Dear all,
I wanted to share some news with you: the first version of the movement strategy recommendations document has been published on Meta [1]. On
behalf
of the movement strategy working groups and recommendation writers, I am honored to present them to you. We ask you to please take a moment to
read
through, review, and comment.
In 2017, we set about building the future we want, together. In 2020,
your
fellow Wikimedians have written and shared a framework for how we can
bring
to life our vision of becoming the essential support system of the ecosystem of free knowledge.
== Review the recommendations ==
These recommendations are the result of 18 months of in-depth discussions and consultation among global Wikimedia community members and research into opportunities for our future. The volunteer working groups [2], writing teams [3] and strategy liaisons [4] have all invested a
significant
amount of energy into this, and I want to wholeheartedly thank each and every person who contributed to creating this work.
I would like to encourage everyone to read this work. There are 13 recommendations (condensed from 89), accompanied by an explanation of the principles [5] that underlie the recommendations, an outline of how these recommendations work together [6], as well as an overview of how the recommendations were produced and next steps [7].
The core of this material is online in Arabic, English, French, German, Hindi, Portuguese, and Spanish. We also have an overview available in Catalan, Dutch, Farsi, Hebrew, Polish, and Russian that offers a
condensed
introduction to the recommendations material.
== Share your feedback ==
In order to produce a final document that is representative of and
relevant
to the diverse project communities as well as groups and organizations
that
make up our movement, we are calling on everyone to review the recommendations and share their thoughts.
Specifically, we ask you to look at what impact these recommendations
might
have on you and your group or community’s context. Discussions are happening on-wiki in many languages, as well as in discussion groups on other, off0wiki platforms, and within movement groups and structures.
This round of community conversations will run until the first week of March [8]. After this five-week period, the Core Team will publish a summary report of input from across affiliates, online communities, and other stakeholders for public review. [9] Your input will play a role as the recommendation writers finalize the strategy document, and move us towards discussions around implementation.
You will find more information about the process in the FAQs [10], and please direct any additional questions or remarks to the respective meta pages.
Our movement is the sum of its parts. Each member brings to it invaluable skills, expertise, and ideas to capture, collect, and share free
knowledge.
And every single contribution made by every community member from the beginning has helped us grow into the global, diverse, and unique
movement
we are today.
I am honored to share this on behalf of everyone involved, and am looking forward to insights from across the movement over the next few weeks.
Katherine
[1]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommen...
[2]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Working_...
[3]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/People#S...
[4]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/People/C...
[5]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommen...
[6]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommen...
[7]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommen...
[8]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Frequent...
? [9]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Overview...
[10]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Frequent...
--
Katherine Maher (she/her)
Executive Director
Wikimedia Foundation https://wikimediafoundation.org/ _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
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There are PDF versions, which may not be easily spottable. They are the bottom of the introduction page:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommen...
Core: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Movement_Strategy_Recommendations_-_...
Extended: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Movement_Strategy_Recommendations_Ex...
Cover note: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Movement_Strategy_Recommendations_Co...
On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 3:14 AM Itzik - Wikimedia Israel < itzik@wikimedia.org.il> wrote:
A huge thank you to all the volunteers, staff and the core team who invested in this process unimaginable hours of work.
Is there maybe a one document/pdf/printable version of the recommendations? It is a long document which I personally want to read carefully and I find it slightly complicated to read in the current wiki-structure.
*Itzik Edri* Chairperson (volunteer) itzik@wikimedia.org.il +972-54-5878078
On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 6:07 AM Todd Allen toddmallen@gmail.com wrote:
Katherine,
These are very disappointing. It does not seem like a bit of the feedback on earlier versions was taken into consideration at all. Can we expect anything we say to matter this time around, or will we once again be talking to the wall?
Todd
On Mon, Jan 20, 2020, 8:24 PM Katherine Maher kmaher@wikimedia.org wrote:
Dear all,
I wanted to share some news with you: the first version of the movement strategy recommendations document has been published on Meta [1]. On
behalf
of the movement strategy working groups and recommendation writers, I
am
honored to present them to you. We ask you to please take a moment to
read
through, review, and comment.
In 2017, we set about building the future we want, together. In 2020,
your
fellow Wikimedians have written and shared a framework for how we can
bring
to life our vision of becoming the essential support system of the ecosystem of free knowledge.
== Review the recommendations ==
These recommendations are the result of 18 months of in-depth
discussions
and consultation among global Wikimedia community members and research into opportunities for our future. The volunteer working groups [2], writing teams [3] and strategy liaisons [4] have all invested a
significant
amount of energy into this, and I want to wholeheartedly thank each and every person who contributed to creating this work.
I would like to encourage everyone to read this work. There are 13 recommendations (condensed from 89), accompanied by an explanation of
the
principles [5] that underlie the recommendations, an outline of how
these
recommendations work together [6], as well as an overview of how the recommendations were produced and next steps [7].
The core of this material is online in Arabic, English, French, German, Hindi, Portuguese, and Spanish. We also have an overview available in Catalan, Dutch, Farsi, Hebrew, Polish, and Russian that offers a
condensed
introduction to the recommendations material.
== Share your feedback ==
In order to produce a final document that is representative of and
relevant
to the diverse project communities as well as groups and organizations
that
make up our movement, we are calling on everyone to review the recommendations and share their thoughts.
Specifically, we ask you to look at what impact these recommendations
might
have on you and your group or community’s context. Discussions are happening on-wiki in many languages, as well as in discussion groups on other, off0wiki platforms, and within movement groups and structures.
This round of community conversations will run until the first week of March [8]. After this five-week period, the Core Team will publish a summary report of input from across affiliates, online communities, and other stakeholders for public review. [9] Your input will play a role
as
the recommendation writers finalize the strategy document, and move us towards discussions around implementation.
You will find more information about the process in the FAQs [10], and please direct any additional questions or remarks to the respective
meta
pages.
Our movement is the sum of its parts. Each member brings to it
invaluable
skills, expertise, and ideas to capture, collect, and share free
knowledge.
And every single contribution made by every community member from the beginning has helped us grow into the global, diverse, and unique
movement
we are today.
I am honored to share this on behalf of everyone involved, and am
looking
forward to insights from across the movement over the next few weeks.
Katherine
[1]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommen...
[2]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Working_...
[3]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/People#S...
[4]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/People/C...
[5]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommen...
[6]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommen...
[7]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommen...
[8]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Frequent...
? [9]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Overview...
[10]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Frequent...
--
Katherine Maher (she/her)
Executive Director
Wikimedia Foundation https://wikimediafoundation.org/ _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
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Thank you, Andrew. These PDF files weren't there when I looked, but thanks for pointing that out.
*Itzik Edri* Chairperson (volunteer) itzik@wikimedia.org.il +972-54-5878078
On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 7:47 PM Andrew Lih andrew.lih@gmail.com wrote:
There are PDF versions, which may not be easily spottable. They are the bottom of the introduction page:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommen...
Core:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Movement_Strategy_Recommendations_-_...
Extended:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Movement_Strategy_Recommendations_Ex...
Cover note:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Movement_Strategy_Recommendations_Co...
On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 3:14 AM Itzik - Wikimedia Israel < itzik@wikimedia.org.il> wrote:
A huge thank you to all the volunteers, staff and the core team who invested in this process unimaginable hours of work.
Is there maybe a one document/pdf/printable version of the
recommendations?
It is a long document which I personally want to read carefully and I
find
it slightly complicated to read in the current wiki-structure.
*Itzik Edri* Chairperson (volunteer) itzik@wikimedia.org.il +972-54-5878078
On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 6:07 AM Todd Allen toddmallen@gmail.com wrote:
Katherine,
These are very disappointing. It does not seem like a bit of the
feedback
on earlier versions was taken into consideration at all. Can we expect anything we say to matter this time around, or will we once again be talking to the wall?
Todd
On Mon, Jan 20, 2020, 8:24 PM Katherine Maher kmaher@wikimedia.org wrote:
Dear all,
I wanted to share some news with you: the first version of the
movement
strategy recommendations document has been published on Meta [1]. On
behalf
of the movement strategy working groups and recommendation writers, I
am
honored to present them to you. We ask you to please take a moment to
read
through, review, and comment.
In 2017, we set about building the future we want, together. In 2020,
your
fellow Wikimedians have written and shared a framework for how we can
bring
to life our vision of becoming the essential support system of the ecosystem of free knowledge.
== Review the recommendations ==
These recommendations are the result of 18 months of in-depth
discussions
and consultation among global Wikimedia community members and
research
into opportunities for our future. The volunteer working groups [2], writing teams [3] and strategy liaisons [4] have all invested a
significant
amount of energy into this, and I want to wholeheartedly thank each
and
every person who contributed to creating this work.
I would like to encourage everyone to read this work. There are 13 recommendations (condensed from 89), accompanied by an explanation of
the
principles [5] that underlie the recommendations, an outline of how
these
recommendations work together [6], as well as an overview of how the recommendations were produced and next steps [7].
The core of this material is online in Arabic, English, French,
German,
Hindi, Portuguese, and Spanish. We also have an overview available in Catalan, Dutch, Farsi, Hebrew, Polish, and Russian that offers a
condensed
introduction to the recommendations material.
== Share your feedback ==
In order to produce a final document that is representative of and
relevant
to the diverse project communities as well as groups and
organizations
that
make up our movement, we are calling on everyone to review the recommendations and share their thoughts.
Specifically, we ask you to look at what impact these recommendations
might
have on you and your group or community’s context. Discussions are happening on-wiki in many languages, as well as in discussion groups
on
other, off0wiki platforms, and within movement groups and structures.
This round of community conversations will run until the first week
of
March [8]. After this five-week period, the Core Team will publish a summary report of input from across affiliates, online communities,
and
other stakeholders for public review. [9] Your input will play a role
as
the recommendation writers finalize the strategy document, and move
us
towards discussions around implementation.
You will find more information about the process in the FAQs [10],
and
please direct any additional questions or remarks to the respective
meta
pages.
Our movement is the sum of its parts. Each member brings to it
invaluable
skills, expertise, and ideas to capture, collect, and share free
knowledge.
And every single contribution made by every community member from the beginning has helped us grow into the global, diverse, and unique
movement
we are today.
I am honored to share this on behalf of everyone involved, and am
looking
forward to insights from across the movement over the next few weeks.
Katherine
[1]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommen...
[2]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Working_...
[3]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/People#S...
[4]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/People/C...
[5]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommen...
[6]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommen...
[7]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommen...
[8]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Frequent...
? [9]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Overview...
[10]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Frequent...
--
Katherine Maher (she/her)
Executive Director
Wikimedia Foundation https://wikimediafoundation.org/ _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe:
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Yes, thank you Andrew, that was actually what I was looking for. It is simply very difficult e.g. to search for a sentence that somebody quoted when the text is shattered over several pages and then with parts hidden as "collapsable". (I do not blame or criticise somebody for that, it is just that different ways to present texts have pros and cons.) Kind regards, Ziko
Am Mi., 22. Jan. 2020 um 10:05 Uhr schrieb Itzik - Wikimedia Israel < itzik@wikimedia.org.il>:
Thank you, Andrew. These PDF files weren't there when I looked, but thanks for pointing that out.
*Itzik Edri* Chairperson (volunteer) itzik@wikimedia.org.il +972-54-5878078
On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 7:47 PM Andrew Lih andrew.lih@gmail.com wrote:
There are PDF versions, which may not be easily spottable. They are the bottom of the introduction page:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommen...
Core:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Movement_Strategy_Recommendations_-_...
Extended:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Movement_Strategy_Recommendations_Ex...
Cover note:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Movement_Strategy_Recommendations_Co...
On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 3:14 AM Itzik - Wikimedia Israel < itzik@wikimedia.org.il> wrote:
A huge thank you to all the volunteers, staff and the core team who invested in this process unimaginable hours of work.
Is there maybe a one document/pdf/printable version of the
recommendations?
It is a long document which I personally want to read carefully and I
find
it slightly complicated to read in the current wiki-structure.
*Itzik Edri* Chairperson (volunteer) itzik@wikimedia.org.il +972-54-5878078
On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 6:07 AM Todd Allen toddmallen@gmail.com
wrote:
Katherine,
These are very disappointing. It does not seem like a bit of the
feedback
on earlier versions was taken into consideration at all. Can we
expect
anything we say to matter this time around, or will we once again be talking to the wall?
Todd
On Mon, Jan 20, 2020, 8:24 PM Katherine Maher kmaher@wikimedia.org wrote:
Dear all,
I wanted to share some news with you: the first version of the
movement
strategy recommendations document has been published on Meta [1].
On
behalf
of the movement strategy working groups and recommendation
writers, I
am
honored to present them to you. We ask you to please take a moment
to
read
through, review, and comment.
In 2017, we set about building the future we want, together. In
2020,
your
fellow Wikimedians have written and shared a framework for how we
can
bring
to life our vision of becoming the essential support system of the ecosystem of free knowledge.
== Review the recommendations ==
These recommendations are the result of 18 months of in-depth
discussions
and consultation among global Wikimedia community members and
research
into opportunities for our future. The volunteer working groups
[2],
writing teams [3] and strategy liaisons [4] have all invested a
significant
amount of energy into this, and I want to wholeheartedly thank each
and
every person who contributed to creating this work.
I would like to encourage everyone to read this work. There are 13 recommendations (condensed from 89), accompanied by an explanation
of
the
principles [5] that underlie the recommendations, an outline of how
these
recommendations work together [6], as well as an overview of how
the
recommendations were produced and next steps [7].
The core of this material is online in Arabic, English, French,
German,
Hindi, Portuguese, and Spanish. We also have an overview available
in
Catalan, Dutch, Farsi, Hebrew, Polish, and Russian that offers a
condensed
introduction to the recommendations material.
== Share your feedback ==
In order to produce a final document that is representative of and
relevant
to the diverse project communities as well as groups and
organizations
that
make up our movement, we are calling on everyone to review the recommendations and share their thoughts.
Specifically, we ask you to look at what impact these
recommendations
might
have on you and your group or community’s context. Discussions are happening on-wiki in many languages, as well as in discussion
groups
on
other, off0wiki platforms, and within movement groups and
structures.
This round of community conversations will run until the first week
of
March [8]. After this five-week period, the Core Team will publish
a
summary report of input from across affiliates, online communities,
and
other stakeholders for public review. [9] Your input will play a
role
as
the recommendation writers finalize the strategy document, and move
us
towards discussions around implementation.
You will find more information about the process in the FAQs [10],
and
please direct any additional questions or remarks to the respective
meta
pages.
Our movement is the sum of its parts. Each member brings to it
invaluable
skills, expertise, and ideas to capture, collect, and share free
knowledge.
And every single contribution made by every community member from
the
beginning has helped us grow into the global, diverse, and unique
movement
we are today.
I am honored to share this on behalf of everyone involved, and am
looking
forward to insights from across the movement over the next few
weeks.
Katherine
[1]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommen...
[2]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Working_...
[3]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/People#S...
[4]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/People/C...
[5]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommen...
[6]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommen...
[7]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommen...
[8]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Frequent...
? [9]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Overview...
[10]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Frequent...
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We will be again talking to the wall. (Would be, I am not going to react this time).
Best Yaroslav
On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 5:06 AM Todd Allen toddmallen@gmail.com wrote:
Katherine,
These are very disappointing. It does not seem like a bit of the feedback on earlier versions was taken into consideration at all. Can we expect anything we say to matter this time around, or will we once again be talking to the wall?
Todd
On Mon, Jan 20, 2020, 8:24 PM Katherine Maher kmaher@wikimedia.org wrote:
Dear all,
I wanted to share some news with you: the first version of the movement strategy recommendations document has been published on Meta [1]. On
behalf
of the movement strategy working groups and recommendation writers, I am honored to present them to you. We ask you to please take a moment to
read
through, review, and comment.
In 2017, we set about building the future we want, together. In 2020,
your
fellow Wikimedians have written and shared a framework for how we can
bring
to life our vision of becoming the essential support system of the ecosystem of free knowledge.
== Review the recommendations ==
These recommendations are the result of 18 months of in-depth discussions and consultation among global Wikimedia community members and research into opportunities for our future. The volunteer working groups [2], writing teams [3] and strategy liaisons [4] have all invested a
significant
amount of energy into this, and I want to wholeheartedly thank each and every person who contributed to creating this work.
I would like to encourage everyone to read this work. There are 13 recommendations (condensed from 89), accompanied by an explanation of the principles [5] that underlie the recommendations, an outline of how these recommendations work together [6], as well as an overview of how the recommendations were produced and next steps [7].
The core of this material is online in Arabic, English, French, German, Hindi, Portuguese, and Spanish. We also have an overview available in Catalan, Dutch, Farsi, Hebrew, Polish, and Russian that offers a
condensed
introduction to the recommendations material.
== Share your feedback ==
In order to produce a final document that is representative of and
relevant
to the diverse project communities as well as groups and organizations
that
make up our movement, we are calling on everyone to review the recommendations and share their thoughts.
Specifically, we ask you to look at what impact these recommendations
might
have on you and your group or community’s context. Discussions are happening on-wiki in many languages, as well as in discussion groups on other, off0wiki platforms, and within movement groups and structures.
This round of community conversations will run until the first week of March [8]. After this five-week period, the Core Team will publish a summary report of input from across affiliates, online communities, and other stakeholders for public review. [9] Your input will play a role as the recommendation writers finalize the strategy document, and move us towards discussions around implementation.
You will find more information about the process in the FAQs [10], and please direct any additional questions or remarks to the respective meta pages.
Our movement is the sum of its parts. Each member brings to it invaluable skills, expertise, and ideas to capture, collect, and share free
knowledge.
And every single contribution made by every community member from the beginning has helped us grow into the global, diverse, and unique
movement
we are today.
I am honored to share this on behalf of everyone involved, and am looking forward to insights from across the movement over the next few weeks.
Katherine
[1]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommen...
[2]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Working_...
[3]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/People#S...
[4]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/People/C...
[5]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommen...
[6]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommen...
[7]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommen...
[8]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Frequent...
? [9]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Overview...
[10]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Frequent...
--
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Executive Director
Wikimedia Foundation https://wikimediafoundation.org/ _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
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Hello,
We now have the confirmation on a Meta Wiki talk page: the WMF is not going to let the communities vote on the recommendations. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Rec...
Kind regards Ziko
Am Di., 21. Jan. 2020 um 09:39 Uhr schrieb Yaroslav Blanter < ymbalt@gmail.com>:
We will be again talking to the wall. (Would be, I am not going to react this time).
Best Yaroslav
On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 5:06 AM Todd Allen toddmallen@gmail.com wrote:
Katherine,
These are very disappointing. It does not seem like a bit of the feedback on earlier versions was taken into consideration at all. Can we expect anything we say to matter this time around, or will we once again be talking to the wall?
Todd
On Mon, Jan 20, 2020, 8:24 PM Katherine Maher kmaher@wikimedia.org wrote:
Dear all,
I wanted to share some news with you: the first version of the movement strategy recommendations document has been published on Meta [1]. On
behalf
of the movement strategy working groups and recommendation writers, I
am
honored to present them to you. We ask you to please take a moment to
read
through, review, and comment.
In 2017, we set about building the future we want, together. In 2020,
your
fellow Wikimedians have written and shared a framework for how we can
bring
to life our vision of becoming the essential support system of the ecosystem of free knowledge.
== Review the recommendations ==
These recommendations are the result of 18 months of in-depth
discussions
and consultation among global Wikimedia community members and research into opportunities for our future. The volunteer working groups [2], writing teams [3] and strategy liaisons [4] have all invested a
significant
amount of energy into this, and I want to wholeheartedly thank each and every person who contributed to creating this work.
I would like to encourage everyone to read this work. There are 13 recommendations (condensed from 89), accompanied by an explanation of
the
principles [5] that underlie the recommendations, an outline of how
these
recommendations work together [6], as well as an overview of how the recommendations were produced and next steps [7].
The core of this material is online in Arabic, English, French, German, Hindi, Portuguese, and Spanish. We also have an overview available in Catalan, Dutch, Farsi, Hebrew, Polish, and Russian that offers a
condensed
introduction to the recommendations material.
== Share your feedback ==
In order to produce a final document that is representative of and
relevant
to the diverse project communities as well as groups and organizations
that
make up our movement, we are calling on everyone to review the recommendations and share their thoughts.
Specifically, we ask you to look at what impact these recommendations
might
have on you and your group or community’s context. Discussions are happening on-wiki in many languages, as well as in discussion groups on other, off0wiki platforms, and within movement groups and structures.
This round of community conversations will run until the first week of March [8]. After this five-week period, the Core Team will publish a summary report of input from across affiliates, online communities, and other stakeholders for public review. [9] Your input will play a role
as
the recommendation writers finalize the strategy document, and move us towards discussions around implementation.
You will find more information about the process in the FAQs [10], and please direct any additional questions or remarks to the respective
meta
pages.
Our movement is the sum of its parts. Each member brings to it
invaluable
skills, expertise, and ideas to capture, collect, and share free
knowledge.
And every single contribution made by every community member from the beginning has helped us grow into the global, diverse, and unique
movement
we are today.
I am honored to share this on behalf of everyone involved, and am
looking
forward to insights from across the movement over the next few weeks.
Katherine
[1]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommen...
[2]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Working_...
[3]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/People#S...
[4]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/People/C...
[5]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommen...
[6]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommen...
[7]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommen...
[8]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Frequent...
? [9]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Overview...
[10]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Frequent...
--
Katherine Maher (she/her)
Executive Director
Wikimedia Foundation https://wikimediafoundation.org/ _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
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Ziko, we can vote on whatever we want, whenever we want.
Us having a RFC on meta does not need the WMF to approve it or like it. An openly run RFC could itself recommend a board resolution asking the community appointed board members (you know, the legitimate ones that are accountable to us) to reject or amend the 'recommendations' as the community sees fit. The WMF board and their CEO know it is in their interest to take on any firm community consensus rather than playing political games to get around it.
I suggest folks take some time out to re-review the recommendations and wait for the dust to settle before deciding if we want to start a correctly community-led process for voting on it.
As others have expressed, I am not in the least bit inclined to give any feedback on meta. It's a waste of volunteer time, as effective as shouting out of your office window expecting to make the weather change.
Fae
On Tue, 21 Jan 2020 at 09:54, Ziko van Dijk zvandijk@gmail.com wrote:
Hello,
We now have the confirmation on a Meta Wiki talk page: the WMF is not going to let the communities vote on the recommendations.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Rec...
Kind regards Ziko
Am Di., 21. Jan. 2020 um 09:39 Uhr schrieb Yaroslav Blanter < ymbalt@gmail.com>:
We will be again talking to the wall. (Would be, I am not going to react this time).
Best Yaroslav
On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 5:06 AM Todd Allen toddmallen@gmail.com wrote:
Katherine,
These are very disappointing. It does not seem like a bit of the
feedback
on earlier versions was taken into consideration at all. Can we expect anything we say to matter this time around, or will we once again be talking to the wall?
Todd
On Mon, Jan 20, 2020, 8:24 PM Katherine Maher kmaher@wikimedia.org wrote:
Dear all,
I wanted to share some news with you: the first version of the
movement
strategy recommendations document has been published on Meta [1]. On
behalf
of the movement strategy working groups and recommendation writers, I
am
honored to present them to you. We ask you to please take a moment to
read
through, review, and comment.
In 2017, we set about building the future we want, together. In 2020,
your
fellow Wikimedians have written and shared a framework for how we can
bring
to life our vision of becoming the essential support system of the ecosystem of free knowledge.
== Review the recommendations ==
These recommendations are the result of 18 months of in-depth
discussions
and consultation among global Wikimedia community members and
research
into opportunities for our future. The volunteer working groups [2], writing teams [3] and strategy liaisons [4] have all invested a
significant
amount of energy into this, and I want to wholeheartedly thank each
and
every person who contributed to creating this work.
I would like to encourage everyone to read this work. There are 13 recommendations (condensed from 89), accompanied by an explanation of
the
principles [5] that underlie the recommendations, an outline of how
these
recommendations work together [6], as well as an overview of how the recommendations were produced and next steps [7].
The core of this material is online in Arabic, English, French,
German,
Hindi, Portuguese, and Spanish. We also have an overview available in Catalan, Dutch, Farsi, Hebrew, Polish, and Russian that offers a
condensed
introduction to the recommendations material.
== Share your feedback ==
In order to produce a final document that is representative of and
relevant
to the diverse project communities as well as groups and
organizations
that
make up our movement, we are calling on everyone to review the recommendations and share their thoughts.
Specifically, we ask you to look at what impact these recommendations
might
have on you and your group or community’s context. Discussions are happening on-wiki in many languages, as well as in discussion groups
on
other, off0wiki platforms, and within movement groups and structures.
This round of community conversations will run until the first week
of
March [8]. After this five-week period, the Core Team will publish a summary report of input from across affiliates, online communities,
and
other stakeholders for public review. [9] Your input will play a role
as
the recommendation writers finalize the strategy document, and move
us
towards discussions around implementation.
You will find more information about the process in the FAQs [10],
and
please direct any additional questions or remarks to the respective
meta
pages.
Our movement is the sum of its parts. Each member brings to it
invaluable
skills, expertise, and ideas to capture, collect, and share free
knowledge.
And every single contribution made by every community member from the beginning has helped us grow into the global, diverse, and unique
movement
we are today.
I am honored to share this on behalf of everyone involved, and am
looking
forward to insights from across the movement over the next few weeks.
Katherine
[1]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommen...
[2]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Working_...
[3]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/People#S...
[4]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/People/C...
[5]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommen...
[6]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommen...
[7]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommen...
[8]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Frequent...
? [9]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Overview...
[10]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Frequent...
--
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Executive Director
Wikimedia Foundation https://wikimediafoundation.org/ _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe:
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Sometimes I wonder if we really belong to the same movement or even live on the same planet.
A wonderful work has been done with the recomendations, and the end result looks very fine, with only a few minor comments needed as far as I can see.
And I believe whatever we think of the endresult we should commend the people who have participated, both their commitment and quality of work.
As a 8 hours-a- day contributor to a project, I know, as all my colleagues, the importance to have a positive tone in our communityinternal conversation and always be strong in good faith. And I meet that positive tone in my activities in the community and when I meet volunteers and functionaries IRL. But in this list i find appalling negative entries as i find to be in direct opposition to our movement values.
So please, please use a better tone and attitude in this discussion of the recommendations
Andersw
Den 2020-01-21 kl. 11:49, skrev Fæ:
Ziko, we can vote on whatever we want, whenever we want.
Us having a RFC on meta does not need the WMF to approve it or like it. An openly run RFC could itself recommend a board resolution asking the community appointed board members (you know, the legitimate ones that are accountable to us) to reject or amend the 'recommendations' as the community sees fit. The WMF board and their CEO know it is in their interest to take on any firm community consensus rather than playing political games to get around it.
I suggest folks take some time out to re-review the recommendations and wait for the dust to settle before deciding if we want to start a correctly community-led process for voting on it.
As others have expressed, I am not in the least bit inclined to give any feedback on meta. It's a waste of volunteer time, as effective as shouting out of your office window expecting to make the weather change.
Fae
On Tue, 21 Jan 2020 at 09:54, Ziko van Dijk zvandijk@gmail.com wrote:
Hello,
We now have the confirmation on a Meta Wiki talk page: the WMF is not going to let the communities vote on the recommendations.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Rec...
Kind regards Ziko
Am Di., 21. Jan. 2020 um 09:39 Uhr schrieb Yaroslav Blanter < ymbalt@gmail.com>:
We will be again talking to the wall. (Would be, I am not going to react this time).
Best Yaroslav
On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 5:06 AM Todd Allen toddmallen@gmail.com wrote:
Katherine,
These are very disappointing. It does not seem like a bit of the
feedback
on earlier versions was taken into consideration at all. Can we expect anything we say to matter this time around, or will we once again be talking to the wall?
Todd
On Mon, Jan 20, 2020, 8:24 PM Katherine Maher kmaher@wikimedia.org wrote:
Dear all,
I wanted to share some news with you: the first version of the
movement
strategy recommendations document has been published on Meta [1]. On
behalf
of the movement strategy working groups and recommendation writers, I
am
honored to present them to you. We ask you to please take a moment to
read
through, review, and comment.
In 2017, we set about building the future we want, together. In 2020,
your
fellow Wikimedians have written and shared a framework for how we can
bring
to life our vision of becoming the essential support system of the ecosystem of free knowledge.
== Review the recommendations ==
These recommendations are the result of 18 months of in-depth
discussions
and consultation among global Wikimedia community members and
research
into opportunities for our future. The volunteer working groups [2], writing teams [3] and strategy liaisons [4] have all invested a
significant
amount of energy into this, and I want to wholeheartedly thank each
and
every person who contributed to creating this work.
I would like to encourage everyone to read this work. There are 13 recommendations (condensed from 89), accompanied by an explanation of
the
principles [5] that underlie the recommendations, an outline of how
these
recommendations work together [6], as well as an overview of how the recommendations were produced and next steps [7].
The core of this material is online in Arabic, English, French,
German,
Hindi, Portuguese, and Spanish. We also have an overview available in Catalan, Dutch, Farsi, Hebrew, Polish, and Russian that offers a
condensed
introduction to the recommendations material.
== Share your feedback ==
In order to produce a final document that is representative of and
relevant
to the diverse project communities as well as groups and
organizations
that
make up our movement, we are calling on everyone to review the recommendations and share their thoughts.
Specifically, we ask you to look at what impact these recommendations
might
have on you and your group or community’s context. Discussions are happening on-wiki in many languages, as well as in discussion groups
on
other, off0wiki platforms, and within movement groups and structures.
This round of community conversations will run until the first week
of
March [8]. After this five-week period, the Core Team will publish a summary report of input from across affiliates, online communities,
and
other stakeholders for public review. [9] Your input will play a role
as
the recommendation writers finalize the strategy document, and move
us
towards discussions around implementation.
You will find more information about the process in the FAQs [10],
and
please direct any additional questions or remarks to the respective
meta
pages.
Our movement is the sum of its parts. Each member brings to it
invaluable
skills, expertise, and ideas to capture, collect, and share free
knowledge.
And every single contribution made by every community member from the beginning has helped us grow into the global, diverse, and unique
movement
we are today.
I am honored to share this on behalf of everyone involved, and am
looking
forward to insights from across the movement over the next few weeks.
Katherine
[1]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommen...
[2]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Working_...
[3]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/People#S...
[4]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/People/C...
[5]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommen...
[6]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommen...
[7]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommen...
[8]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Frequent...
? [9]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Overview...
[10]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Frequent...
--
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Hello Anders,
Could you please explain which of the mails in this thread are problematic in your opinion? I think that I made a factual statement in the most neutral way.
Anders, your opinion is that the recommendations are „wonderful“. I want to tolerate your opinion. But do you also tolerate other opinions? Or do you think that opponents need a better „attitude“?
Kind regards, Ziko
Anders Wennersten mail@anderswennersten.se schrieb am Di. 21. Jan. 2020 um 12:14:
Sometimes I wonder if we really belong to the same movement or even live on the same planet.
A wonderful work has been done with the recomendations, and the end result looks very fine, with only a few minor comments needed as far as I can see.
And I believe whatever we think of the endresult we should commend the people who have participated, both their commitment and quality of work.
As a 8 hours-a- day contributor to a project, I know, as all my colleagues, the importance to have a positive tone in our communityinternal conversation and always be strong in good faith. And I meet that positive tone in my activities in the community and when I meet volunteers and functionaries IRL. But in this list i find appalling negative entries as i find to be in direct opposition to our movement values.
So please, please use a better tone and attitude in this discussion of the recommendations
Andersw
Den 2020-01-21 kl. 11:49, skrev Fæ:
Ziko, we can vote on whatever we want, whenever we want.
Us having a RFC on meta does not need the WMF to approve it or like it.
An
openly run RFC could itself recommend a board resolution asking the community appointed board members (you know, the legitimate ones that are accountable to us) to reject or amend the 'recommendations' as the community sees fit. The WMF board and their CEO know it is in their interest to take on any firm community consensus rather than playing political games to get around it.
I suggest folks take some time out to re-review the recommendations and wait for the dust to settle before deciding if we want to start a
correctly
community-led process for voting on it.
As others have expressed, I am not in the least bit inclined to give any feedback on meta. It's a waste of volunteer time, as effective as
shouting
out of your office window expecting to make the weather change.
Fae
On Tue, 21 Jan 2020 at 09:54, Ziko van Dijk zvandijk@gmail.com wrote:
Hello,
We now have the confirmation on a Meta Wiki talk page: the WMF is not
going
to let the communities vote on the recommendations.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Rec...
Kind regards Ziko
Am Di., 21. Jan. 2020 um 09:39 Uhr schrieb Yaroslav Blanter < ymbalt@gmail.com>:
We will be again talking to the wall. (Would be, I am not going to
react
this time).
Best Yaroslav
On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 5:06 AM Todd Allen toddmallen@gmail.com
wrote:
Katherine,
These are very disappointing. It does not seem like a bit of the
feedback
on earlier versions was taken into consideration at all. Can we expect anything we say to matter this time around, or will we once again be talking to the wall?
Todd
On Mon, Jan 20, 2020, 8:24 PM Katherine Maher kmaher@wikimedia.org wrote:
Dear all,
I wanted to share some news with you: the first version of the
movement
strategy recommendations document has been published on Meta [1]. On
behalf
of the movement strategy working groups and recommendation writers, I
am
honored to present them to you. We ask you to please take a moment to
read
through, review, and comment.
In 2017, we set about building the future we want, together. In 2020,
your
fellow Wikimedians have written and shared a framework for how we can
bring
to life our vision of becoming the essential support system of the ecosystem of free knowledge.
== Review the recommendations ==
These recommendations are the result of 18 months of in-depth
discussions
and consultation among global Wikimedia community members and
research
into opportunities for our future. The volunteer working groups [2], writing teams [3] and strategy liaisons [4] have all invested a
significant
amount of energy into this, and I want to wholeheartedly thank each
and
every person who contributed to creating this work.
I would like to encourage everyone to read this work. There are 13 recommendations (condensed from 89), accompanied by an explanation of
the
principles [5] that underlie the recommendations, an outline of how
these
recommendations work together [6], as well as an overview of how the recommendations were produced and next steps [7].
The core of this material is online in Arabic, English, French,
German,
Hindi, Portuguese, and Spanish. We also have an overview available in Catalan, Dutch, Farsi, Hebrew, Polish, and Russian that offers a
condensed
introduction to the recommendations material.
== Share your feedback ==
In order to produce a final document that is representative of and
relevant
to the diverse project communities as well as groups and
organizations
that
make up our movement, we are calling on everyone to review the recommendations and share their thoughts.
Specifically, we ask you to look at what impact these recommendations
might
have on you and your group or community’s context. Discussions are happening on-wiki in many languages, as well as in discussion groups
on
other, off0wiki platforms, and within movement groups and structures.
This round of community conversations will run until the first week
of
March [8]. After this five-week period, the Core Team will publish a summary report of input from across affiliates, online communities,
and
other stakeholders for public review. [9] Your input will play a role
as
the recommendation writers finalize the strategy document, and move
us
towards discussions around implementation.
You will find more information about the process in the FAQs [10],
and
please direct any additional questions or remarks to the respective
meta
pages.
Our movement is the sum of its parts. Each member brings to it
invaluable
skills, expertise, and ideas to capture, collect, and share free
knowledge.
And every single contribution made by every community member from the beginning has helped us grow into the global, diverse, and unique
movement
we are today.
I am honored to share this on behalf of everyone involved, and am
looking
forward to insights from across the movement over the next few weeks.
Katherine
[1]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommen...
[2]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Working_...
[3]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/People#S...
[4]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/People/C...
[5]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommen...
[6]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommen...
[7]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommen...
[8]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Frequent...
? [9]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Overview...
[10]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Frequent...
--
Katherine Maher (she/her)
Executive Director
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I'm not sure why you want to vote on something that you will have to adapt to your community needs and implement accordingly, Ziko. What exactly is contentious about them that needs a vote, especially when the implementation will hopefully lead to more decentralised structures? Or do you think it could get worse? ;-)
On Tue, 21 Jan 2020 at 12:57, Ziko van Dijk zvandijk@gmail.com wrote:
Hello Anders,
Could you please explain which of the mails in this thread are problematic in your opinion? I think that I made a factual statement in the most neutral way.
Anders, your opinion is that the recommendations are „wonderful“. I want to tolerate your opinion. But do you also tolerate other opinions? Or do you think that opponents need a better „attitude“?
Kind regards, Ziko
Anders Wennersten mail@anderswennersten.se schrieb am Di. 21. Jan. 2020 um 12:14:
Sometimes I wonder if we really belong to the same movement or even live on the same planet.
A wonderful work has been done with the recomendations, and the end result looks very fine, with only a few minor comments needed as far as I can see.
And I believe whatever we think of the endresult we should commend the people who have participated, both their commitment and quality of work.
As a 8 hours-a- day contributor to a project, I know, as all my colleagues, the importance to have a positive tone in our communityinternal conversation and always be strong in good faith. And I meet that positive tone in my activities in the community and when I meet volunteers and functionaries IRL. But in this list i find appalling negative entries as i find to be in direct opposition to our movement values.
So please, please use a better tone and attitude in this discussion of the recommendations
Andersw
Den 2020-01-21 kl. 11:49, skrev Fæ:
Ziko, we can vote on whatever we want, whenever we want.
Us having a RFC on meta does not need the WMF to approve it or like it.
An
openly run RFC could itself recommend a board resolution asking the community appointed board members (you know, the legitimate ones that
are
accountable to us) to reject or amend the 'recommendations' as the community sees fit. The WMF board and their CEO know it is in their interest to take on any firm community consensus rather than playing political games to get around it.
I suggest folks take some time out to re-review the recommendations and wait for the dust to settle before deciding if we want to start a
correctly
community-led process for voting on it.
As others have expressed, I am not in the least bit inclined to give
any
feedback on meta. It's a waste of volunteer time, as effective as
shouting
out of your office window expecting to make the weather change.
Fae
On Tue, 21 Jan 2020 at 09:54, Ziko van Dijk zvandijk@gmail.com
wrote:
Hello,
We now have the confirmation on a Meta Wiki talk page: the WMF is not
going
to let the communities vote on the recommendations.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Rec...
Kind regards Ziko
Am Di., 21. Jan. 2020 um 09:39 Uhr schrieb Yaroslav Blanter < ymbalt@gmail.com>:
We will be again talking to the wall. (Would be, I am not going to
react
this time).
Best Yaroslav
On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 5:06 AM Todd Allen toddmallen@gmail.com
wrote:
Katherine,
These are very disappointing. It does not seem like a bit of the
feedback
on earlier versions was taken into consideration at all. Can we
expect
anything we say to matter this time around, or will we once again be talking to the wall?
Todd
On Mon, Jan 20, 2020, 8:24 PM Katherine Maher <kmaher@wikimedia.org
wrote:
> Dear all, > > I wanted to share some news with you: the first version of the
movement
> strategy recommendations document has been published on Meta [1].
On
behalf > of the movement strategy working groups and recommendation
writers, I
am
> honored to present them to you. We ask you to please take a moment
to
read > through, review, and comment. > > In 2017, we set about building the future we want, together. In
2020,
your > fellow Wikimedians have written and shared a framework for how we
can
bring > to life our vision of becoming the essential support system of the > ecosystem of free knowledge. > > == Review the recommendations == > > These recommendations are the result of 18 months of in-depth
discussions
> and consultation among global Wikimedia community members and
research
> into opportunities for our future. The volunteer working groups
[2],
> writing teams [3] and strategy liaisons [4] have all invested a significant > amount of energy into this, and I want to wholeheartedly thank each
and
> every person who contributed to creating this work. > > I would like to encourage everyone to read this work. There are 13 > recommendations (condensed from 89), accompanied by an explanation
of
the
> principles [5] that underlie the recommendations, an outline of how
these
> recommendations work together [6], as well as an overview of how
the
> recommendations were produced and next steps [7]. > > The core of this material is online in Arabic, English, French,
German,
> Hindi, Portuguese, and Spanish. We also have an overview available
in
> Catalan, Dutch, Farsi, Hebrew, Polish, and Russian that offers a condensed > introduction to the recommendations material. > > == Share your feedback == > > In order to produce a final document that is representative of and relevant > to the diverse project communities as well as groups and
organizations
that > make up our movement, we are calling on everyone to review the > recommendations and share their thoughts. > > Specifically, we ask you to look at what impact these
recommendations
might > have on you and your group or community’s context. Discussions are > happening on-wiki in many languages, as well as in discussion
groups
on
> other, off0wiki platforms, and within movement groups and
structures.
> > This round of community conversations will run until the first week
of
> March [8]. After this five-week period, the Core Team will publish
a
> summary report of input from across affiliates, online communities,
and
> other stakeholders for public review. [9] Your input will play a
role
as
> the recommendation writers finalize the strategy document, and move
us
> towards discussions around implementation. > > You will find more information about the process in the FAQs [10],
and
> please direct any additional questions or remarks to the respective
meta
> pages. > > Our movement is the sum of its parts. Each member brings to it
invaluable
> skills, expertise, and ideas to capture, collect, and share free knowledge. > And every single contribution made by every community member from
the
> beginning has helped us grow into the global, diverse, and unique movement > we are today. > > I am honored to share this on behalf of everyone involved, and am
looking
> forward to insights from across the movement over the next few
weeks.
> > Katherine > > [1] > >
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommen...
> [2] > >
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Working_...
> [3] > >
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/People#S...
> [4] > >
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/People/C...
> [5] > >
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommen...
> [6] > >
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommen...
> [7] > >
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommen...
> [8] > >
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Frequent...
> ? > [9] > >
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Overview...
> [10] > >
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Frequent...
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Hi all I agree on that point.
I suggest to the community to organize themselves to give a feedback and to contribute to have better and widely supported reccomandations but this process must progress.
Everything can be improved and can be better but what is important is to keep this goal of improvement.
Kind regards
On Tue, 21 Jan 2020, 14:51 Philip Kopetzky, philip.kopetzky@gmail.com wrote:
I'm not sure why you want to vote on something that you will have to adapt to your community needs and implement accordingly, Ziko. What exactly is contentious about them that needs a vote, especially when the implementation will hopefully lead to more decentralised structures? Or do you think it could get worse? ;-)
On Tue, 21 Jan 2020 at 12:57, Ziko van Dijk zvandijk@gmail.com wrote:
Hello Anders,
Could you please explain which of the mails in this thread are
problematic
in your opinion? I think that I made a factual statement in the most neutral way.
Anders, your opinion is that the recommendations are „wonderful“. I want
to
tolerate your opinion. But do you also tolerate other opinions? Or do you think that opponents need a better „attitude“?
Kind regards, Ziko
Anders Wennersten mail@anderswennersten.se schrieb am Di. 21. Jan.
2020
um 12:14:
Sometimes I wonder if we really belong to the same movement or even
live
on the same planet.
A wonderful work has been done with the recomendations, and the end result looks very fine, with only a few minor comments needed as far as I can see.
And I believe whatever we think of the endresult we should commend
the
people who have participated, both their commitment and quality of
work.
As a 8 hours-a- day contributor to a project, I know, as all my colleagues, the importance to have a positive tone in our communityinternal conversation and always be strong in good faith. And
I
meet that positive tone in my activities in the community and when I meet volunteers and functionaries IRL. But in this list i find appalling negative entries as i find to be in direct opposition to our movement values.
So please, please use a better tone and attitude in this discussion of the recommendations
Andersw
Den 2020-01-21 kl. 11:49, skrev Fæ:
Ziko, we can vote on whatever we want, whenever we want.
Us having a RFC on meta does not need the WMF to approve it or like
it.
An
openly run RFC could itself recommend a board resolution asking the community appointed board members (you know, the legitimate ones that
are
accountable to us) to reject or amend the 'recommendations' as the community sees fit. The WMF board and their CEO know it is in their interest to take on any firm community consensus rather than playing political games to get around it.
I suggest folks take some time out to re-review the recommendations
and
wait for the dust to settle before deciding if we want to start a
correctly
community-led process for voting on it.
As others have expressed, I am not in the least bit inclined to give
any
feedback on meta. It's a waste of volunteer time, as effective as
shouting
out of your office window expecting to make the weather change.
Fae
On Tue, 21 Jan 2020 at 09:54, Ziko van Dijk zvandijk@gmail.com
wrote:
Hello,
We now have the confirmation on a Meta Wiki talk page: the WMF is
not
going
to let the communities vote on the recommendations.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Rec...
Kind regards Ziko
Am Di., 21. Jan. 2020 um 09:39 Uhr schrieb Yaroslav Blanter < ymbalt@gmail.com>:
We will be again talking to the wall. (Would be, I am not going to
react
this time).
Best Yaroslav
On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 5:06 AM Todd Allen toddmallen@gmail.com
wrote:
> Katherine, > > These are very disappointing. It does not seem like a bit of the
feedback
> on earlier versions was taken into consideration at all. Can we
expect
> anything we say to matter this time around, or will we once again
be
> talking to the wall? > > Todd > > On Mon, Jan 20, 2020, 8:24 PM Katherine Maher <
kmaher@wikimedia.org
> wrote: > >> Dear all, >> >> I wanted to share some news with you: the first version of the
movement
>> strategy recommendations document has been published on Meta [1].
On
> behalf >> of the movement strategy working groups and recommendation
writers, I
am >> honored to present them to you. We ask you to please take a
moment
to
> read >> through, review, and comment. >> >> In 2017, we set about building the future we want, together. In
2020,
> your >> fellow Wikimedians have written and shared a framework for how we
can
> bring >> to life our vision of becoming the essential support system of
the
>> ecosystem of free knowledge. >> >> == Review the recommendations == >> >> These recommendations are the result of 18 months of in-depth discussions >> and consultation among global Wikimedia community members and
research
>> into opportunities for our future. The volunteer working groups
[2],
>> writing teams [3] and strategy liaisons [4] have all invested a > significant >> amount of energy into this, and I want to wholeheartedly thank
each
and
>> every person who contributed to creating this work. >> >> I would like to encourage everyone to read this work. There are
13
>> recommendations (condensed from 89), accompanied by an
explanation
of
the >> principles [5] that underlie the recommendations, an outline of
how
these >> recommendations work together [6], as well as an overview of how
the
>> recommendations were produced and next steps [7]. >> >> The core of this material is online in Arabic, English, French,
German,
>> Hindi, Portuguese, and Spanish. We also have an overview
available
in
>> Catalan, Dutch, Farsi, Hebrew, Polish, and Russian that offers a > condensed >> introduction to the recommendations material. >> >> == Share your feedback == >> >> In order to produce a final document that is representative of
and
> relevant >> to the diverse project communities as well as groups and
organizations
> that >> make up our movement, we are calling on everyone to review the >> recommendations and share their thoughts. >> >> Specifically, we ask you to look at what impact these
recommendations
> might >> have on you and your group or community’s context. Discussions
are
>> happening on-wiki in many languages, as well as in discussion
groups
on
>> other, off0wiki platforms, and within movement groups and
structures.
>> >> This round of community conversations will run until the first
week
of
>> March [8]. After this five-week period, the Core Team will
publish
a
>> summary report of input from across affiliates, online
communities,
and
>> other stakeholders for public review. [9] Your input will play a
role
as >> the recommendation writers finalize the strategy document, and
move
us
>> towards discussions around implementation. >> >> You will find more information about the process in the FAQs
[10],
and
>> please direct any additional questions or remarks to the
respective
meta >> pages. >> >> Our movement is the sum of its parts. Each member brings to it invaluable >> skills, expertise, and ideas to capture, collect, and share free > knowledge. >> And every single contribution made by every community member from
the
>> beginning has helped us grow into the global, diverse, and unique > movement >> we are today. >> >> I am honored to share this on behalf of everyone involved, and am looking >> forward to insights from across the movement over the next few
weeks.
>> >> Katherine >> >> [1] >> >>
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommen...
>> [2] >> >>
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Working_...
>> [3] >> >>
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/People#S...
>> [4] >> >>
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/People/C...
>> [5] >> >>
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommen...
>> [6] >> >>
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommen...
>> [7] >> >>
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommen...
>> [8] >> >>
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Frequent...
>> ? >> [9] >> >>
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Overview...
>> [10] >> >>
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Frequent...
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On Tue, 21 Jan 2020 at 12:57, Ziko van Dijk zvandijk@gmail.com wrote:
Could you please explain which of the mails in this thread are problematic in your opinion? I think that I made a factual statement in the most neutral way.
The strong focus on voting is in itself, not neutral. Voting at this scale cannot measure the needs of the wider movement. These plans affect hundreds of thousands of editors. Making decisions based on the vote of a the few hundred contributors who comment, would misrepresent the movement and lead to populist decisions stemming from the strong status quo bias https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Status_quo_bias.
The purpose of the consultations is to give constructive feedback to positively influence the outcome. Effort-less votes would misunderstand the purpose and only create disruption. That's not helpful to our cause. A collaborative mindset is necessary to move forward with implementing the Medium term plan https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Medium-term_plan_2019 .
Anders, your opinion is that the recommendations are „wonderful“. I want to tolerate your opinion. But do you also tolerate other opinions? Or do you think that opponents need a better „attitude“?
I don't see that Anders would have trouble "tolerating" the opposing opinions. A "better tone and attitude" would mean to express our opinion in less combative and more constructive ways. Maybe you meant to "Respect your opinion", which implies a more positive judgement. Nuances can differentiate between a civil and a tense atmosphere.
Aron
On Tue, 21 Jan 2020 at 11:50, Fæ faewik@gmail.com wrote:
The WMF board and their CEO know it is in their interest to take on any firm community consensus rather than playing political games to get around it.
Political games, like requesting supermajority https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Requests_for_comment/Partial_blocks#Supermajority_needed would be best avoided, indeed.
As others have expressed, I am not in the least bit inclined to give any feedback on meta. It's a waste of volunteer time, as effective as shouting out of your office window expecting to make the weather change.
Fae
On Tue, 21 Jan 2020 at 11:38, Gergő Tisza gtisza@gmail.com wrote:
having participated in writing some of these recommendations, I can tell you from personal experience they have been massively shaped by feedback. That included feedback on the talk pages, feedback at events and conferences, feedback from strategy salons organized for that specific purpose, feedback from all kinds of personal conversations... often conflicting feedback, since, unsurprisingly, different people within the movement often have opposing views.
¯_(ツ)_/¯
Best practices for a good consensus are not political games. However dismissing the concerns of long term members of the community that the strategy references in every recommendation, by extremely obvious tone policing, is playing politics and marginalization.
Thanks for referencing my Commons work Aron.
Fae
On Tue, 21 Jan 2020 at 20:24, Aron Manning aronmanning5@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jan 2020 at 11:50, Fæ faewik@gmail.com wrote:
The WMF board and their CEO know it is in their interest to take on any firm community consensus rather than playing political games to get around it.
Political games, like requesting supermajority < https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Requests_for_comment/Partial_bloc...
would be best avoided, indeed.
As others have expressed, I am not in the least bit inclined to give any feedback on meta. It's a waste of volunteer time, as effective as
shouting
out of your office window expecting to make the weather change.
Fae
On Tue, 21 Jan 2020 at 11:38, Gergő Tisza gtisza@gmail.com wrote:
having participated in writing some of these recommendations, I can tell you from personal experience they have been massively shaped by feedback. That included feedback on the talk pages, feedback at events and conferences, feedback from strategy salons organized for that specific purpose, feedback from all kinds of personal conversations... often conflicting feedback, since, unsurprisingly, different people within the movement often have opposing views.
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Hi Todd,
On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 8:06 PM Todd Allen toddmallen@gmail.com wrote:
These are very disappointing. It does not seem like a bit of the feedback on earlier versions was taken into consideration at all. Can we expect anything we say to matter this time around, or will we once again be talking to the wall?
having participated in writing some of these recommendations, I can tell you from personal experience they have been massively shaped by feedback. That included feedback on the talk pages, feedback at events and conferences, feedback from strategy salons organized for that specific purpose, feedback from all kinds of personal conversations... often conflicting feedback, since, unsurprisingly, different people within the movement often have opposing views. Also, at least in the parts of the process I have seen, all feedback was considered carefully (whether we had the bandwidth to respond or not, with the latter unfortunately happening a lot more than we'd have liked), but then of course not all of it could not be incorporated - some was in conflict with other feedback, some was not in alignment with the strategic direction, some was infeasible or factually incorrect... but much of the feedback did end up changing the recommendations.
So if your expectation is that your feedback will be taken in consideration, you can be confident that that will happen. If the expectation is that it will be heeded in every case, then you might come away frustrated; like all large-scale governance projects, our movement's strategy for the next decade will require a lot of compromise from a lot of people. For every part of the recommendations that you like, I'm sure there will be a hundred people who dislike it. So I would urge you (and everyone) to look at the recommendations through that lens: whether they will be a positive change for the movement overall, not whether every single detail is to your liking. If we cherry-pick everything that some group of people is opposed to, soon nothing would be left.
---- (I'm one of the writers; this is my personal opinion only. I will certainly not be in the position to make any decisions based on community feedback about accepting or rejecting the recommendations. But having seen how much effort was spent on making sure all feedback is collected and reviewed, I'm pretty sure this last phase is not going to be any different.)
The Wikimedia Strategy 2030 recommendations were published on January 20, 2020, but the language, size, and complexity can be a intimidating, even for native English speakers.
I've attempted to summarize the recommendations into ONE PAGE, highlighting key concepts, structures and processes mentioned in the 68 page document.
It's a work in progress, but I hope it helps to provide easier entry into the full document. Feel free to provide suggestions, feedback and reflections.
PDF uploaded to Commons in one A4 sheet: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:In_Brief_-_Wikimedia_Strategy_2030_-...
-Andrew (User:Fuzheado)
On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 10:24 PM Katherine Maher kmaher@wikimedia.org wrote:
Dear all,
I wanted to share some news with you: the first version of the movement strategy recommendations document has been published on Meta [1]. On behalf of the movement strategy working groups and recommendation writers, I am honored to present them to you. We ask you to please take a moment to read through, review, and comment.
In 2017, we set about building the future we want, together. In 2020, your fellow Wikimedians have written and shared a framework for how we can bring to life our vision of becoming the essential support system of the ecosystem of free knowledge.
== Review the recommendations ==
These recommendations are the result of 18 months of in-depth discussions and consultation among global Wikimedia community members and research into opportunities for our future. The volunteer working groups [2], writing teams [3] and strategy liaisons [4] have all invested a significant amount of energy into this, and I want to wholeheartedly thank each and every person who contributed to creating this work.
I would like to encourage everyone to read this work. There are 13 recommendations (condensed from 89), accompanied by an explanation of the principles [5] that underlie the recommendations, an outline of how these recommendations work together [6], as well as an overview of how the recommendations were produced and next steps [7].
The core of this material is online in Arabic, English, French, German, Hindi, Portuguese, and Spanish. We also have an overview available in Catalan, Dutch, Farsi, Hebrew, Polish, and Russian that offers a condensed introduction to the recommendations material.
== Share your feedback ==
In order to produce a final document that is representative of and relevant to the diverse project communities as well as groups and organizations that make up our movement, we are calling on everyone to review the recommendations and share their thoughts.
Specifically, we ask you to look at what impact these recommendations might have on you and your group or community’s context. Discussions are happening on-wiki in many languages, as well as in discussion groups on other, off0wiki platforms, and within movement groups and structures.
This round of community conversations will run until the first week of March [8]. After this five-week period, the Core Team will publish a summary report of input from across affiliates, online communities, and other stakeholders for public review. [9] Your input will play a role as the recommendation writers finalize the strategy document, and move us towards discussions around implementation.
You will find more information about the process in the FAQs [10], and please direct any additional questions or remarks to the respective meta pages.
Our movement is the sum of its parts. Each member brings to it invaluable skills, expertise, and ideas to capture, collect, and share free knowledge. And every single contribution made by every community member from the beginning has helped us grow into the global, diverse, and unique movement we are today.
I am honored to share this on behalf of everyone involved, and am looking forward to insights from across the movement over the next few weeks.
Katherine
[1]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommen... [2]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Working_... [3]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/People#S... [4]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/People/C... [5]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommen... [6]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommen... [7]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommen... [8]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Frequent... ? [9]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Overview... [10]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Frequent...
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