(changing the topic, to avoid doing myself what I criticise) I would suggest you discuss what kind of qualities you seek in an ED, what kind of person you would be looking for - rather than specific people. That would actually be an interesting and valuable discussion to have in public, I'd think.
Public discussions are good, but not every topic is best discussed in public (like specific people: there's a reason votes on people are generally secret). That doesn't mean that every non-public discussion leads to good results :) In the wikiworld I know, when people are being discussed, they often nominated themselves, or agreed to be nominated. I know this may be different on enwiki to some extent, maybe that's a cultural trait. I haven't encountered this in any other wiki (but may have missed a few).
But a good framework that came out of a public discussion, may help the non-public discussion about the names a lot.
Anyway, just my two cents. I can't stop you from shouting names of course...
Best, Lodewijk
On Sat, Feb 27, 2016 at 12:23 AM, Yuri Astrakhan yastrakhan@wikimedia.org wrote:
Lodewijk, this is a very valid point, thanks. My understanding is that this process done in private has lost some of its credibility with the staff and the community, and thus I would like to get some understanding on how we can do that same process in the open, without offending anyone. In the wiki world, I think most of the time people have publicly nominated candidates for various roles, and that has not been a concern. Of course the nick names provide some degree of anonymity, so this might not be exactly the same.
On Feb 27, 2016 01:57, "Lodewijk" lodewijk@effeietsanders.org wrote:
While I love public discussions, I must say I always feel a bit awkward
to
discuss people in public, unless there is no other choice.
To discuss people without them agreeing to it, may even be considered
rude
by some. You're throwing up names, which can realistically only lead to people supporting it, because if you would be against it, it would
possibly
be a slap in the face of someone you like.
If you really see a serious potential candidate, why not send it to the board? or, once a public call is being made, point those people to it.
Lodewijk
On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 11:31 PM, Yuri Astrakhan <
yastrakhan@wikimedia.org
wrote:
For the inside, I would think Yana W would be a good candidate, but as
Raul
Veede suggested on FB, it would be bad to loose her expertise in her current role.
Dan, I think you are right that we are not yet ready to have a drop-in replacement simply because we should figure out what went wrong first. Possibly we shouldn't even have an ED, but rather have a flatter community-driven committee that allocates funds, and projects getting resources from it. And this committee would, in affect, be the direction-determining force.
On Sat, Feb 27, 2016 at 1:23 AM, Oliver Keyes ironholds@gmail.com
wrote:
I'm agreed with Dan and Nathan (well, Nathan's implied point) both.
Right now we need stability. I'd much prefer an interim ED appointed from inside the organisation or movement, ideally someone who has
been
watching what's been going on. And then time for healing and reflection in that space of stability that lets us make a better decision.
I have no particular opinions on Lessig - or on Creative Commons - except to note that the organisational leaders are the people whose opinions on trauma around reorganisations least matter, insofar as, structurally, they are both the people least likely to be messed over by them and the people most detached from any swirling mass of
feeling
that exists in the employee base. I'd be interested instead in
hearing
from current or former employees (I know a couple and they are not as positive, but it's a small sample size) to make any evaluation more informed.
On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 4:59 PM, Dan Andreescu <
dandreescu@wikimedia.org
wrote:
I met him, he's amazingly focused and radical, I appreciate his
brand
of
intellect very much. But I think suggesting candidates for the ED
position
at this time is jumping two steps ahead of where we are.
We just screwed up. We were all dragged through months of an
awkward
collapse of our leadership and organizational structure. Before we
start
piling the rubble of this collapse back up into the same exact shape
with a
different keystone, let's take a breath and think.
First we should make sure we understand what, more or less, failed.
It
was not just Lila. Second, we should talk about what options we have
and
what criteria we should use to evaluate those options.
We can be patient. We have reaffirmed our respect for each other
and
we
trust each other enough to share ideas, emotions, and proposals. This
is
our foundation, and it hasn't collapsed.
Original Message From: Yuri Astrakhan Sent: Friday, February 26, 2016 16:47 To: Wikimedia Mailing List Reply To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Lawrence Lessig for ... WMF
I would like to continue the discussion of who, in an ideal case,
would
be
a good fit for the ED position. This person has to fit culturally,
share
movement's values, and be a trusted figure in the time of
rebuilding.
Lawrence Lessig seems to have a very strong support in the
community,
and
even attempted to run (unsuccessfully) a large organization called
United
States.
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On 2016-02-26 6:39 PM, Lodewijk wrote:
I would suggest you discuss what kind of qualities you seek in an ED, what kind of person you would be looking for - rather than specific people.
Above all, and foremost amongst any quality an ED should have is to be an *excellent* communicator. I see the primary role of the ED as the facilitator-in-chief - it's a little insane to gather around oneself the best minds to do a job and then try to do that job oneself.
-- Coren / Marc
Subbu, one of the chief complains I heard about Lila was that she did not provide a clear vision. Yet, if we choose stewardship over leadership, that, at least in my mind, implies more of a mediator than a leader, without providing any clear vision themselves. So is vision no longer a requirement from the ED?
On Sat, Feb 27, 2016 at 3:01 AM, Subramanya Sastry ssastry@wikimedia.org wrote:
On 02/26/2016 05:39 PM, Lodewijk wrote:
I would suggest you discuss what kind of qualities you seek in an ED,
Having more of an attitude stewardship over leadership .. i.e. this is not a place or space to primarily fulfil personal ambitions.
Subbu.
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<quote name="Yuri Astrakhan" date="2016-02-27" time="03:17:36 +0300">
Subbu, one of the chief complains I heard about Lila was that she did not provide a clear vision. Yet, if we choose stewardship over leadership, that, at least in my mind, implies more of a mediator than a leader, without providing any clear vision themselves. So is vision no longer a requirement from the ED?
Vision shouldn't be a one-person created thing.
Greg
Greg, agree 100%, but that's not how I understood the question and the results of the staff survey. It seemed the staff expected the vision from the ED/Management.
On Sat, Feb 27, 2016 at 3:31 AM, Greg Grossmeier greg@wikimedia.org wrote:
<quote name="Yuri Astrakhan" date="2016-02-27" time="03:17:36 +0300"> > Subbu, one of the chief complains I heard about Lila was that she did not > provide a clear vision. Yet, if we choose stewardship over leadership, > that, at least in my mind, implies more of a mediator than a leader, > without providing any clear vision themselves. So is vision no longer a > requirement from the ED?
Vision shouldn't be a one-person created thing.
Greg
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Should only the staff have a say in this vision? Almost all, if not all, of this talk is about what the staff wants.
From: yastrakhan@wikimedia.org Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2016 03:45:28 +0300 To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] What kind of ED would you like to see?
Greg, agree 100%, but that's not how I understood the question and the results of the staff survey. It seemed the staff expected the vision from the ED/Management.
On Sat, Feb 27, 2016 at 3:31 AM, Greg Grossmeier greg@wikimedia.org wrote:
<quote name="Yuri Astrakhan" date="2016-02-27" time="03:17:36 +0300"> > Subbu, one of the chief complains I heard about Lila was that she did not > provide a clear vision. Yet, if we choose stewardship over leadership, > that, at least in my mind, implies more of a mediator than a leader, > without providing any clear vision themselves. So is vision no longer a > requirement from the ED?
Vision shouldn't be a one-person created thing.
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On 26 February 2016 at 16:57, Leigh Thelmadatter osamadre@hotmail.com wrote:
Should only the staff have a say in this vision? Almost all, if not all, of this talk is about what the staff wants.
You are correct that non-staff should have a say in the vision, of course. It affects everyone in the movement, as well as our readers.
However, as the staff have been and will be more directly involved with the Executive Director on a day-to-day level, it seems sensible to consider such viewpoints carefully.
Dan
<quote name="Yuri Astrakhan" date="2016-02-27" time="03:45:28 +0300">
Greg, agree 100%, but that's not how I understood the question and the results of the staff survey. It seemed the staff expected the vision from the ED/Management.
I think you're misinterpreting.
The agree/disagree statement was: "Senior leadership at Wikimedia have communicated a vision that motivates me" (7% agree)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2016-01-06/News_a...
See also, this quote in glassdoor, quoted in the Signpost as well: "The Executive Director unveils a new strategy every three months or so."
So, it's not that people wanted the vision solely from the ED/Management, it's that they wanted a not constantly changing one.
This is getting off topic, however.
The point is, a vision does not need to come from one person, which you agree with. A good vision comes from many people working together collaboratively. Then sticking with it to see it through. Consistency is needed in an ED.
Greg
What kind of ED would you like to see?
* Someone who knows how the wiki works or atleast has basic knowledge on how to "edit" wikis.
* Someone who wants to work on "building" the encyclopaedia, not the bureaucratic side which our last ED was more focused on.
* Someone willing to work on improving the wiki by working on ways of creating and increasing our contributor base, we are seriously lacking in that sector..
* Someone who is so transparent that we could see right through them, secrecy is what got us in this mess in the first place.
* Someone willing to ensure that the board, the staff and the community work in 'unison' instead of the former 2 dictating their policies, views and choices onto the latter.
* Someone willing to take the hard stance and do what's right by the community instead of allowing the Board and other staff members to dictate the job for them..
* Someone who puts the Community first ALWAYS. (we do not want another issue like 'super-protect' ever again)
That is what I would like our ED to be ...we need an "Executive DIRECTor", not an "Executive FOLLOWer"
On 2/27/16, Greg Grossmeier greg@wikimedia.org wrote:
<quote name="Yuri Astrakhan" date="2016-02-27" time="03:45:28 +0300"> > Greg, agree 100%, but that's not how I understood the question and the > results of the staff survey. It seemed the staff expected the vision from > the ED/Management.
I think you're misinterpreting.
The agree/disagree statement was: "Senior leadership at Wikimedia have communicated a vision that motivates me" (7% agree)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2016-01-06/News_a...
See also, this quote in glassdoor, quoted in the Signpost as well: "The Executive Director unveils a new strategy every three months or so."
So, it's not that people wanted the vision solely from the ED/Management, it's that they wanted a not constantly changing one.
This is getting off topic, however.
The point is, a vision does not need to come from one person, which you agree with. A good vision comes from many people working together collaboratively. Then sticking with it to see it through. Consistency is needed in an ED.
Greg
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This is wonderful,
I want a ED with following attributes:
1. Someone that is grounded in global politics as it affects the operations of the movement. 2. Some that has grown within the rank and file of the Wikimedia foundation . 3. Someone that is strategic in implementation of policies 4. Someone with foresight. 5. Someone that understand the dynamics of the movement, in term of different people, races, nationalities, ideas, believes and religions encompasses in wikimedia foundation. 6. A global player in term of management of the diversity of the communities within the Wikimedia Foundation. . 7.Team player. 8. Someone that understand the impact of relationship between the BOT, staff of WMT and the community. 9. Peace maker and bold person. 10. A creative minded ED 11. Someone who has direct contact with the various communities. 12. Someone which is not bias in term of taking decision. 13. Proactive
Olaniyan Olushola Team Lead, WUGN
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What kind of ED would you like to see?
* Someone who knows how the wiki works or atleast has basic knowledge on how to "edit" wikis.
* Someone who wants to work on "building" the encyclopaedia, not the bureaucratic side which our last ED was more focused on.
* Someone willing to work on improving the wiki by working on ways of creating and increasing our contributor base, we are seriously lacking in that sector..
* Someone who is so transparent that we could see right through them, secrecy is what got us in this mess in the first place.
* Someone willing to ensure that the board, the staff and the community work in 'unison' instead of the former 2 dictating their policies, views and choices onto the latter.
* Someone willing to take the hard stance and do what's right by the community instead of allowing the Board and other staff members to dictate the job for them..
* Someone who puts the Community first ALWAYS. (we do not want another issue like 'super-protect' ever again)
That is what I would like our ED to be ...we need an "Executive DIRECTor", not an "Executive FOLLOWer"
On 2/27/16, Greg Grossmeier greg@wikimedia.org wrote:
<quote name="Yuri Astrakhan" date="2016-02-27" time="03:45:28 +0300"> > Greg, agree 100%, but that's not how I understood the question and the > results of the staff survey. It seemed the staff expected the vision from > the ED/Management.
I think you're misinterpreting.
The agree/disagree statement was: "Senior leadership at Wikimedia have communicated a vision that motivates me" (7% agree)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2016-01-06/News_a...
See also, this quote in glassdoor, quoted in the Signpost as well: "The Executive Director unveils a new strategy every three months or so."
So, it's not that people wanted the vision solely from the ED/Management, it's that they wanted a not constantly changing one.
This is getting off topic, however.
The point is, a vision does not need to come from one person, which you agree with. A good vision comes from many people working together collaboratively. Then sticking with it to see it through. Consistency is needed in an ED.
Greg
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This is wonderful,
I want a ED with following attributes:
1. Someone that is grounded in global politics as it affects the operations of the movement. 2. Some that has grown within the rank and file of the Wikimedia foundation . 3. Someone that is strategic in implementation of policies 4. Someone with foresight. 5. Someone that understand the dynamics of the movement, in term of different people, races, nationalities, ideas, believes and religions encompasses in wikimedia foundation. 6. A global player in term of management of the diversity of the communities within the Wikimedia Foundation. . 7.Team player. 8. Someone that understand the impact of relationship between the BOT, staff of WMT and the community. 9. Peace maker and bold person. 10. A creative minded ED 11. Someone who has direct contact with the various communities. 12. Someone which is not bias in term of taking decision. 13. Proactive
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What kind of ED would you like to see?
* Someone who knows how the wiki works or atleast has basic knowledge on how to "edit" wikis.
* Someone who wants to work on "building" the encyclopaedia, not the bureaucratic side which our last ED was more focused on.
* Someone willing to work on improving the wiki by working on ways of creating and increasing our contributor base, we are seriously lacking in that sector..
* Someone who is so transparent that we could see right through them, secrecy is what got us in this mess in the first place.
* Someone willing to ensure that the board, the staff and the community work in 'unison' instead of the former 2 dictating their policies, views and choices onto the latter.
* Someone willing to take the hard stance and do what's right by the community instead of allowing the Board and other staff members to dictate the job for them..
* Someone who puts the Community first ALWAYS. (we do not want another issue like 'super-protect' ever again)
That is what I would like our ED to be ...we need an "Executive DIRECTor", not an "Executive FOLLOWer"
On 2/27/16, Greg Grossmeier greg@wikimedia.org wrote:
<quote name="Yuri Astrakhan" date="2016-02-27" time="03:45:28 +0300"> > Greg, agree 100%, but that's not how I understood the question and the > results of the staff survey. It seemed the staff expected the vision from > the ED/Management.
I think you're misinterpreting.
The agree/disagree statement was: "Senior leadership at Wikimedia have communicated a vision that motivates me" (7% agree)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2016-01-06/News_a...
See also, this quote in glassdoor, quoted in the Signpost as well: "The Executive Director unveils a new strategy every three months or so."
So, it's not that people wanted the vision solely from the ED/Management, it's that they wanted a not constantly changing one.
This is getting off topic, however.
The point is, a vision does not need to come from one person, which you agree with. A good vision comes from many people working together collaboratively. Then sticking with it to see it through. Consistency is needed in an ED.
Greg
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The critical role of the head of an organization which nobody else can perform in the appointment , coordination, and retention of the senior staff who directly report to her. Everythign else listed can in principal at least be done by others. But in some organizations the Board also has a role in at least approving such appointments; I do not know what is the situation at the WMF.
On Sat, Feb 27, 2016 at 9:03 AM, Olaniyan Olushola olaniyanshola@yahoo.com wrote:
This is wonderful,
I want a ED with following attributes:
- Someone that is grounded in global politics as it affects the
operations of the movement. 2. Some that has grown within the rank and file of the Wikimedia foundation . 3. Someone that is strategic in implementation of policies 4. Someone with foresight. 5. Someone that understand the dynamics of the movement, in term of different people, races, nationalities, ideas, believes and religions encompasses in wikimedia foundation. 6. A global player in term of management of the diversity of the communities within the Wikimedia Foundation. . 7.Team player. 8. Someone that understand the impact of relationship between the BOT, staff of WMT and the community. 9. Peace maker and bold person. 10. A creative minded ED 11. Someone who has direct contact with the various communities. 12. Someone which is not bias in term of taking decision. 13. Proactive
Olaniyan Olushola Team Lead, WUGN Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. Original Message From: Comet styles Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2016 3:55 AM To: Wikimedia Mailing List Reply To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] What kind of ED would you like to see?
What kind of ED would you like to see?
- Someone who knows how the wiki works or atleast has basic knowledge
on how to "edit" wikis.
- Someone who wants to work on "building" the encyclopaedia, not the
bureaucratic side which our last ED was more focused on.
- Someone willing to work on improving the wiki by working on ways of
creating and increasing our contributor base, we are seriously lacking in that sector..
- Someone who is so transparent that we could see right through them,
secrecy is what got us in this mess in the first place.
- Someone willing to ensure that the board, the staff and the
community work in 'unison' instead of the former 2 dictating their policies, views and choices onto the latter.
- Someone willing to take the hard stance and do what's right by the
community instead of allowing the Board and other staff members to dictate the job for them..
- Someone who puts the Community first ALWAYS. (we do not want another
issue like 'super-protect' ever again)
That is what I would like our ED to be ...we need an "Executive DIRECTor", not an "Executive FOLLOWer"
On 2/27/16, Greg Grossmeier greg@wikimedia.org wrote:
<quote name="Yuri Astrakhan" date="2016-02-27" time="03:45:28 +0300"> > Greg, agree 100%, but that's not how I understood the question and the > results of the staff survey. It seemed the staff expected the vision
from
the ED/Management.
I think you're misinterpreting.
The agree/disagree statement was: "Senior leadership at Wikimedia have communicated a vision that motivates me" (7% agree)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2016-01-06/News_a...
See also, this quote in glassdoor, quoted in the Signpost as well: "The Executive Director unveils a new strategy every three months or so."
So, it's not that people wanted the vision solely from the ED/Management, it's that they wanted a not constantly changing one.
This is getting off topic, however.
The point is, a vision does not need to come from one person, which you agree with. A good vision comes from many people working together collaboratively. Then sticking with it to see it through. Consistency is needed in an ED.
Greg
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This is wonderful,
I want a ED with following attributes:
1. Someone that is grounded in global politics as it affects the operations of the movement. 2. Some that has grown within the rank and file of the Wikimedia foundation . 3. Someone that is strategic in implementation of policies 4. Someone with foresight. 5. Someone that understand the dynamics of the movement, in term of different people, races, nationalities, ideas, believes and religions encompasses in wikimedia foundation. 6. A global player in term of management of the diversity of the communities within the Wikimedia Foundation. . 7.Team player. 8. Someone that understand the impact of relationship between the BOT, staff of WMT and the community. 9. Peace maker and bold person. 10. A creative minded ED 11. Someone who has direct contact with the various communities. 12. Someone which is not bias in term of taking decision. 13. Proactive
Olaniyan Olushola Team Lead, WUGN Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. Original Message From: Comet styles Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2016 3:55 AM To: Wikimedia Mailing List Reply To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] What kind of ED would you like to see?
What kind of ED would you like to see?
* Someone who knows how the wiki works or atleast has basic knowledge on how to "edit" wikis.
* Someone who wants to work on "building" the encyclopaedia, not the bureaucratic side which our last ED was more focused on.
* Someone willing to work on improving the wiki by working on ways of creating and increasing our contributor base, we are seriously lacking in that sector..
* Someone who is so transparent that we could see right through them, secrecy is what got us in this mess in the first place.
* Someone willing to ensure that the board, the staff and the community work in 'unison' instead of the former 2 dictating their policies, views and choices onto the latter.
* Someone willing to take the hard stance and do what's right by the community instead of allowing the Board and other staff members to dictate the job for them..
* Someone who puts the Community first ALWAYS. (we do not want another issue like 'super-protect' ever again)
That is what I would like our ED to be ...we need an "Executive DIRECTor", not an "Executive FOLLOWer"
On 2/27/16, Greg Grossmeier greg@wikimedia.org wrote:
<quote name="Yuri Astrakhan" date="2016-02-27" time="03:45:28 +0300"> > Greg, agree 100%, but that's not how I understood the question and the > results of the staff survey. It seemed the staff expected the vision from > the ED/Management.
I think you're misinterpreting.
The agree/disagree statement was: "Senior leadership at Wikimedia have communicated a vision that motivates me" (7% agree)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2016-01-06/News_a...
See also, this quote in glassdoor, quoted in the Signpost as well: "The Executive Director unveils a new strategy every three months or so."
So, it's not that people wanted the vision solely from the ED/Management, it's that they wanted a not constantly changing one.
This is getting off topic, however.
The point is, a vision does not need to come from one person, which you agree with. A good vision comes from many people working together collaboratively. Then sticking with it to see it through. Consistency is needed in an ED.
Greg
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On the Vision thing -
There is a leadership vision, and an organizational/movement vision.
The leader should articulate theirs. The organizational one needs to come from everyone but would likely be articulated by the ED after that process.
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On Feb 26, 2016, at 4:58 PM, Greg Grossmeier greg@wikimedia.org wrote:
<quote name="Yuri Astrakhan" date="2016-02-27" time="03:45:28 +0300"> > Greg, agree 100%, but that's not how I understood the question and the > results of the staff survey. It seemed the staff expected the vision from > the ED/Management.
I think you're misinterpreting.
The agree/disagree statement was: "Senior leadership at Wikimedia have communicated a vision that motivates me" (7% agree)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2016-01-06/News_a...
See also, this quote in glassdoor, quoted in the Signpost as well: "The Executive Director unveils a new strategy every three months or so."
So, it's not that people wanted the vision solely from the ED/Management, it's that they wanted a not constantly changing one.
This is getting off topic, however.
The point is, a vision does not need to come from one person, which you agree with. A good vision comes from many people working together collaboratively. Then sticking with it to see it through. Consistency is needed in an ED.
Greg
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Hi all,
reading all the above, my 2 cents would be: Internal promotion (in a broader sense: a current or ex-employee or someone 'close and experienced enough').
First as interim (as a 'probation period') then if the staff feedback meets the pre-agreed satisfaction level on agreed key areas, as permanent.
Balazs 2016.02.27. 5:24, "George Herbert" george.herbert@gmail.com ezt írta:
On the Vision thing -
There is a leadership vision, and an organizational/movement vision.
The leader should articulate theirs. The organizational one needs to come from everyone but would likely be articulated by the ED after that process.
George William Herbert Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 26, 2016, at 4:58 PM, Greg Grossmeier greg@wikimedia.org wrote:
<quote name="Yuri Astrakhan" date="2016-02-27" time="03:45:28 +0300"> > Greg, agree 100%, but that's not how I understood the question and the > results of the staff survey. It seemed the staff expected the vision
from
the ED/Management.
I think you're misinterpreting.
The agree/disagree statement was: "Senior leadership at Wikimedia have communicated a vision that motivates me" (7% agree)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2016-01-06/News_a...
See also, this quote in glassdoor, quoted in the Signpost as well: "The Executive Director unveils a new strategy every three months or so."
So, it's not that people wanted the vision solely from the ED/Management, it's that they wanted a not constantly changing one.
This is getting off topic, however.
The point is, a vision does not need to come from one person, which you agree with. A good vision comes from many people working together collaboratively. Then sticking with it to see it through. Consistency is needed in an ED.
Greg
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Balázs Viczián, regarding "First as interim (as a 'probation period') then if the staff feedback meets the pre-agreed satisfaction level on agreed key areas, as permanent."
Well, staff feedback and after independent, critical assessment from each board member. Earlier in this thread, I think, Pete Forsyth recommends that the interim ED be clearly and purely an interim, not a probationary ED, and I'm persuaded by his arguments.
Anthony Cole
On Sat, Feb 27, 2016 at 4:58 PM, Balázs Viczián <balazs.viczian@wikimedia.hu
wrote:
Hi all,
reading all the above, my 2 cents would be: Internal promotion (in a broader sense: a current or ex-employee or someone 'close and experienced enough').
First as interim (as a 'probation period') then if the staff feedback meets the pre-agreed satisfaction level on agreed key areas, as permanent.
Balazs 2016.02.27. 5:24, "George Herbert" george.herbert@gmail.com ezt írta:
On the Vision thing -
There is a leadership vision, and an organizational/movement vision.
The leader should articulate theirs. The organizational one needs to
come
from everyone but would likely be articulated by the ED after that
process.
George William Herbert Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 26, 2016, at 4:58 PM, Greg Grossmeier greg@wikimedia.org
wrote:
<quote name="Yuri Astrakhan" date="2016-02-27" time="03:45:28 +0300"> > Greg, agree 100%, but that's not how I understood the question and the > results of the staff survey. It seemed the staff expected the vision
from
the ED/Management.
I think you're misinterpreting.
The agree/disagree statement was: "Senior leadership at Wikimedia have communicated a vision that motivates me" (7% agree)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2016-01-06/News_a...
See also, this quote in glassdoor, quoted in the Signpost as well: "The Executive Director unveils a new strategy every three months or so."
So, it's not that people wanted the vision solely from the ED/Management, it's that they wanted a not constantly changing one.
This is getting off topic, however.
The point is, a vision does not need to come from one person, which you agree with. A good vision comes from many people working together collaboratively. Then sticking with it to see it through. Consistency
is
needed in an ED.
Greg
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