Hi,
during long flights, I have often been wondering why there is no Wikimedia option in in-flight entertainment systems. As I am normally offline during flights and I normally don't think about in-flight stuff while on the ground, I never actually asked around, so after a long flight yesterday, here we go: Do any of you know of attempts to explore the option(s) to get Wikimedia content onto in-flight entertainment and similar systems?
Many of them already have educational content, but I am not aware of anything openly licensed amidst those offerings. Have any of the Kiwix team looked into this?
Also, many airlines/ ships/ trains and others offer WiFi for a fee - has the Wikipedia Zero team ever looked into engaging with such "providers"?
Thanks and cheers,
Daniel
Certification process for the hardware of kiwix might be a tremendous pain in the ass.
And second point the airline will need a business case to cary more weight (count about 3.5% of the weight as extra fuel burn per hour).
That said I'd love to use Wikipedia on an IFE.
Le 31 juil. 2017 00:02, "Daniel Mietchen" daniel.mietchen@googlemail.com a écrit :
Hi,
during long flights, I have often been wondering why there is no Wikimedia option in in-flight entertainment systems. As I am normally offline during flights and I normally don't think about in-flight stuff while on the ground, I never actually asked around, so after a long flight yesterday, here we go: Do any of you know of attempts to explore the option(s) to get Wikimedia content onto in-flight entertainment and similar systems?
Many of them already have educational content, but I am not aware of anything openly licensed amidst those offerings. Have any of the Kiwix team looked into this?
Also, many airlines/ ships/ trains and others offer WiFi for a fee - has the Wikipedia Zero team ever looked into engaging with such "providers"?
Thanks and cheers,
Daniel
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I know that KLM included some cuts from Wikipedia articles in their onflight system to explain sights from at least San Francisco. Not sure whether they made it scale, probably not.
Lodewijk
On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 12:13 AM, Pierre-Selim pierre-selim@huard.info wrote:
Certification process for the hardware of kiwix might be a tremendous pain in the ass.
And second point the airline will need a business case to cary more weight (count about 3.5% of the weight as extra fuel burn per hour).
That said I'd love to use Wikipedia on an IFE.
Le 31 juil. 2017 00:02, "Daniel Mietchen" daniel.mietchen@googlemail.com a écrit :
Hi,
during long flights, I have often been wondering why there is no Wikimedia option in in-flight entertainment systems. As I am normally offline during flights and I normally don't think about in-flight stuff while on the ground, I never actually asked around, so after a long flight yesterday, here we go: Do any of you know of attempts to explore the option(s) to get Wikimedia content onto in-flight entertainment and similar systems?
Many of them already have educational content, but I am not aware of anything openly licensed amidst those offerings. Have any of the Kiwix team looked into this?
Also, many airlines/ ships/ trains and others offer WiFi for a fee - has the Wikipedia Zero team ever looked into engaging with such "providers"?
Thanks and cheers,
Daniel
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Amazing idea. I guess one could email them and offer this. Would not add weight on their end as it is simple digital. The entertainment system would be completely separate from the flight systems so would not have significant certification issues.
James
On Sun, Jul 30, 2017 at 4:50 PM, Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org wrote:
I know that KLM included some cuts from Wikipedia articles in their onflight system to explain sights from at least San Francisco. Not sure whether they made it scale, probably not.
Lodewijk
On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 12:13 AM, Pierre-Selim pierre-selim@huard.info wrote:
Certification process for the hardware of kiwix might be a tremendous
pain
in the ass.
And second point the airline will need a business case to cary more
weight
(count about 3.5% of the weight as extra fuel burn per hour).
That said I'd love to use Wikipedia on an IFE.
Le 31 juil. 2017 00:02, "Daniel Mietchen" <daniel.mietchen@googlemail.
com>
a écrit :
Hi,
during long flights, I have often been wondering why there is no Wikimedia option in in-flight entertainment systems. As I am normally offline during flights and I normally don't think about in-flight stuff while on the ground, I never actually asked around, so after a long flight yesterday, here we go: Do any of you know of attempts to explore the option(s) to get Wikimedia content onto in-flight entertainment and similar systems?
Many of them already have educational content, but I am not aware of anything openly licensed amidst those offerings. Have any of the Kiwix team looked into this?
Also, many airlines/ ships/ trains and others offer WiFi for a fee - has the Wikipedia Zero team ever looked into engaging with such "providers"?
Thanks and cheers,
Daniel
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As it happens, as part of my early career in avionics, I was responsible for the software side of the flight certification of the first inflight entertainment systems, both for CAA and FAA. Unless the interpretation of regulations has significantly changed, the snapshot of Wikipedia(s) would have to be static and would need to be part of a verified release bundle. As well as testing the way any software that displays Wikipedia pages can behave, there may be issues with allowing certain formats of images or videos which may contain dead code or could potentially carry a virus, such as might happen with SVG files. Testing this might turn out to be a bit complex for the qualification process, unless they took the easy option of text-only versions.
Though the entertainment system is hosted in a secure "playpen", and so by design should be unable to affect other systems, all boxes and software on the aircraft have to be tested as flightworthy and the specific configuration needs to be set down on paper, so live updates that by-pass certification are unlikely to be allowed. Consequently any version of Wikipedia used in-flight will always be lagging current events of interest.
Fae
On 31 July 2017 at 01:01, James Heilman jmh649@gmail.com wrote:
Amazing idea. I guess one could email them and offer this. Would not add weight on their end as it is simple digital. The entertainment system would be completely separate from the flight systems so would not have significant certification issues.
James
On Sun, Jul 30, 2017 at 4:50 PM, Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org wrote:
I know that KLM included some cuts from Wikipedia articles in their onflight system to explain sights from at least San Francisco. Not sure whether they made it scale, probably not.
Lodewijk
On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 12:13 AM, Pierre-Selim pierre-selim@huard.info wrote:
Certification process for the hardware of kiwix might be a tremendous
pain
in the ass.
And second point the airline will need a business case to cary more
weight
(count about 3.5% of the weight as extra fuel burn per hour).
That said I'd love to use Wikipedia on an IFE.
Le 31 juil. 2017 00:02, "Daniel Mietchen" <daniel.mietchen@googlemail.
com>
a écrit :
Hi,
during long flights, I have often been wondering why there is no Wikimedia option in in-flight entertainment systems. As I am normally offline during flights and I normally don't think about in-flight stuff while on the ground, I never actually asked around, so after a long flight yesterday, here we go: Do any of you know of attempts to explore the option(s) to get Wikimedia content onto in-flight entertainment and similar systems?
Many of them already have educational content, but I am not aware of anything openly licensed amidst those offerings. Have any of the Kiwix team looked into this?
Also, many airlines/ ships/ trains and others offer WiFi for a fee - has the Wikipedia Zero team ever looked into engaging with such "providers"?
Thanks and cheers,
Daniel
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On 30 July 2017 at 23:13, Pierre-Selim pierre-selim@huard.info wrote:
airline will need a business case to cary more weight
How heavy is Wikipedia?
Wouldn't there be significant bandwidth limitations on aircraft? So WMF content would require additional storage. Presumably, only selected WMF content would be actually carried on board, with other made available on-demand.
On Jul 31, 2017 5:38 AM, "Andy Mabbett" andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
On 30 July 2017 at 23:13, Pierre-Selim pierre-selim@huard.info wrote:
airline will need a business case to cary more weight
How heavy is Wikipedia?
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