It is remarkably easy to find various language Wikipedia articles that actively promote scientific racism. The forthcoming WMF universal code of conduct is unlikely to directly address this type of damaging anti-educational content, or require projects to take action.
This may surprise some, but here are two examples, and if you follow the multiple language links in each, you will find many other language examples:
[1] Wikipedia article in Russian about "Negroid race" (Негроидная раса) and associates Negroid as being defined by genetics. Nowhere in the article is it explained that these are debunked racist theories.
[2] Wikipedia article in Italian about "Mongoloid" (Mongoloide), defines being Mongoloid by physical characteristics and presents it as a scientific term with a section explaining how the Mogoloid race is geographically spread.
Unfortunately, as these outdated racist theories are Wikipedia articles, Wikimedia Commons still hosts multiple *user created* "racial maps" of the human race as if this were a current scientific race taxonomy for humans. These maps are not even required to have warnings that their content is scientific racism or why that's a bad thing.[3]
At the current time, nobody is solving this problem with systemic racism and I am unaware of the WMF funding a project that will take action to fix it, nor even tracking this repugnant material. The idea that we might still be vaguely talking about how bad it is that Wikipedia is being used to promote "Negroid race" as science in several years time, without any systematic action to get rid of it or at least correctly reformat the article to describe it as debunked, should alarm everyone concerned that donor's money is supporting this content.
Links 1. https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9D%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%... 2. https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongoloide 3. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Average_Ea...
Thanks, Fae
I'm not sure it is wise to try to refute differences between humans, whether we call it race or something else, it is simply too easy to point out the differences. We should rather promote that differences are a GoodThing™
Humans do exhibit racial differences, but those differences should not be used as an excuse for abusing other people.
I'm a pink Norwegian, and I would probably die in the Kalahari desert, unless rescued by someone from the San people. They are so darn cool!
On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 2:57 PM Fæ faewik@gmail.com wrote:
It is remarkably easy to find various language Wikipedia articles that actively promote scientific racism. The forthcoming WMF universal code of conduct is unlikely to directly address this type of damaging anti-educational content, or require projects to take action.
This may surprise some, but here are two examples, and if you follow the multiple language links in each, you will find many other language examples:
[1] Wikipedia article in Russian about "Negroid race" (Негроидная раса) and associates Negroid as being defined by genetics. Nowhere in the article is it explained that these are debunked racist theories.
[2] Wikipedia article in Italian about "Mongoloid" (Mongoloide), defines being Mongoloid by physical characteristics and presents it as a scientific term with a section explaining how the Mogoloid race is geographically spread.
Unfortunately, as these outdated racist theories are Wikipedia articles, Wikimedia Commons still hosts multiple *user created* "racial maps" of the human race as if this were a current scientific race taxonomy for humans. These maps are not even required to have warnings that their content is scientific racism or why that's a bad thing.[3]
At the current time, nobody is solving this problem with systemic racism and I am unaware of the WMF funding a project that will take action to fix it, nor even tracking this repugnant material. The idea that we might still be vaguely talking about how bad it is that Wikipedia is being used to promote "Negroid race" as science in several years time, without any systematic action to get rid of it or at least correctly reformat the article to describe it as debunked, should alarm everyone concerned that donor's money is supporting this content.
Links
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9D%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%... 2. https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongoloide 3. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Average_Ea...
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No, we do not call other Wikipedians "Negroid" because of their appearance meeting a racist theory published in the 1930s.
Or were you trying to say something else, other than defending "scientific racism" on this public list?
Fae
On Tue, 16 Jun 2020 at 14:25, John Erling Blad jeblad@gmail.com wrote:
I'm not sure it is wise to try to refute differences between humans, whether we call it race or something else, it is simply too easy to point out the differences. We should rather promote that differences are a GoodThing™
Humans do exhibit racial differences, but those differences should not be used as an excuse for abusing other people.
I'm a pink Norwegian, and I would probably die in the Kalahari desert, unless rescued by someone from the San people. They are so darn cool!
On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 2:57 PM Fæ faewik@gmail.com wrote:
It is remarkably easy to find various language Wikipedia articles that actively promote scientific racism. The forthcoming WMF universal code of conduct is unlikely to directly address this type of damaging anti-educational content, or require projects to take action.
This may surprise some, but here are two examples, and if you follow the multiple language links in each, you will find many other language examples:
[1] Wikipedia article in Russian about "Negroid race" (Негроидная раса) and associates Negroid as being defined by genetics. Nowhere in the article is it explained that these are debunked racist theories.
[2] Wikipedia article in Italian about "Mongoloid" (Mongoloide), defines being Mongoloid by physical characteristics and presents it as a scientific term with a section explaining how the Mogoloid race is geographically spread.
Unfortunately, as these outdated racist theories are Wikipedia articles, Wikimedia Commons still hosts multiple *user created* "racial maps" of the human race as if this were a current scientific race taxonomy for humans. These maps are not even required to have warnings that their content is scientific racism or why that's a bad thing.[3]
At the current time, nobody is solving this problem with systemic racism and I am unaware of the WMF funding a project that will take action to fix it, nor even tracking this repugnant material. The idea that we might still be vaguely talking about how bad it is that Wikipedia is being used to promote "Negroid race" as science in several years time, without any systematic action to get rid of it or at least correctly reformat the article to describe it as debunked, should alarm everyone concerned that donor's money is supporting this content.
Links
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9D%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%... 2. https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongoloide 3. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Average_Ea...
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Feel free to explain how the appearance of race differences is not defined by genetics. I have absolutely no problem accepting that people are different, and that some people may even be better adapted to the environment than me. ;)
On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 3:32 PM Fæ faewik@gmail.com wrote:
No, we do not call other Wikipedians "Negroid" because of their appearance meeting a racist theory published in the 1930s.
Or were you trying to say something else, other than defending "scientific racism" on this public list?
Fae
On Tue, 16 Jun 2020 at 14:25, John Erling Blad jeblad@gmail.com wrote:
I'm not sure it is wise to try to refute differences between humans, whether we call it race or something else, it is simply too easy to point out the differences. We should rather promote that differences are a GoodThing™
Humans do exhibit racial differences, but those differences should not be used as an excuse for abusing other people.
I'm a pink Norwegian, and I would probably die in the Kalahari desert, unless rescued by someone from the San people. They are so darn cool!
On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 2:57 PM Fæ faewik@gmail.com wrote:
It is remarkably easy to find various language Wikipedia articles that actively promote scientific racism. The forthcoming WMF universal code of conduct is unlikely to directly address this type of damaging anti-educational content, or require projects to take action.
This may surprise some, but here are two examples, and if you follow the multiple language links in each, you will find many other language examples:
[1] Wikipedia article in Russian about "Negroid race" (Негроидная раса) and associates Negroid as being defined by genetics. Nowhere in the article is it explained that these are debunked racist theories.
[2] Wikipedia article in Italian about "Mongoloid" (Mongoloide), defines being Mongoloid by physical characteristics and presents it as a scientific term with a section explaining how the Mogoloid race is geographically spread.
Unfortunately, as these outdated racist theories are Wikipedia articles, Wikimedia Commons still hosts multiple *user created* "racial maps" of the human race as if this were a current scientific race taxonomy for humans. These maps are not even required to have warnings that their content is scientific racism or why that's a bad thing.[3]
At the current time, nobody is solving this problem with systemic racism and I am unaware of the WMF funding a project that will take action to fix it, nor even tracking this repugnant material. The idea that we might still be vaguely talking about how bad it is that Wikipedia is being used to promote "Negroid race" as science in several years time, without any systematic action to get rid of it or at least correctly reformat the article to describe it as debunked, should alarm everyone concerned that donor's money is supporting this content.
Links
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9D%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%...
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Average_Ea...
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What, you are really using a Wikimedia funded email list to promote biological racism? That's ... not acceptable behaviour.
Go read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_racism.
Fae
On Tue, 16 Jun 2020 at 14:37, John Erling Blad jeblad@gmail.com wrote:
Feel free to explain how the appearance of race differences is not defined by genetics. I have absolutely no problem accepting that people are different, and that some people may even be better adapted to the environment than me. ;)
On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 3:32 PM Fæ faewik@gmail.com wrote:
No, we do not call other Wikipedians "Negroid" because of their appearance meeting a racist theory published in the 1930s.
Or were you trying to say something else, other than defending "scientific racism" on this public list?
Fae
On Tue, 16 Jun 2020 at 14:25, John Erling Blad jeblad@gmail.com wrote:
I'm not sure it is wise to try to refute differences between humans, whether we call it race or something else, it is simply too easy to point out the differences. We should rather promote that differences are a GoodThing™
Humans do exhibit racial differences, but those differences should not be used as an excuse for abusing other people.
I'm a pink Norwegian, and I would probably die in the Kalahari desert, unless rescued by someone from the San people. They are so darn cool!
On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 2:57 PM Fæ faewik@gmail.com wrote:
It is remarkably easy to find various language Wikipedia articles that actively promote scientific racism. The forthcoming WMF universal code of conduct is unlikely to directly address this type of damaging anti-educational content, or require projects to take action.
This may surprise some, but here are two examples, and if you follow the multiple language links in each, you will find many other language examples:
[1] Wikipedia article in Russian about "Negroid race" (Негроидная раса) and associates Negroid as being defined by genetics. Nowhere in the article is it explained that these are debunked racist theories.
[2] Wikipedia article in Italian about "Mongoloid" (Mongoloide), defines being Mongoloid by physical characteristics and presents it as a scientific term with a section explaining how the Mogoloid race is geographically spread.
Unfortunately, as these outdated racist theories are Wikipedia articles, Wikimedia Commons still hosts multiple *user created* "racial maps" of the human race as if this were a current scientific race taxonomy for humans. These maps are not even required to have warnings that their content is scientific racism or why that's a bad thing.[3]
At the current time, nobody is solving this problem with systemic racism and I am unaware of the WMF funding a project that will take action to fix it, nor even tracking this repugnant material. The idea that we might still be vaguely talking about how bad it is that Wikipedia is being used to promote "Negroid race" as science in several years time, without any systematic action to get rid of it or at least correctly reformat the article to describe it as debunked, should alarm everyone concerned that donor's money is supporting this content.
Links
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9D%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%...
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Average_Ea...
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Are you actually saying that it is promoting biological racism to mention the fact that, say, skin color, hair color, aspects of bone structure, or susceptibility to certain diseases are heritable characteristics of certain human populations?
Is this some kind of practical joke you are trying to play on us?
On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 9:42 AM Fæ faewik@gmail.com wrote:
What, you are really using a Wikimedia funded email list to promote biological racism? That's ... not acceptable behaviour.
Go read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_racism.
Fae
On Tue, 16 Jun 2020 at 14:37, John Erling Blad jeblad@gmail.com wrote:
Feel free to explain how the appearance of race differences is not
defined
by genetics. I have absolutely no problem accepting that people are different, and that some people may even be better adapted to the environment than me. ;)
On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 3:32 PM Fæ faewik@gmail.com wrote:
No, we do not call other Wikipedians "Negroid" because of their appearance meeting a racist theory published in the 1930s.
Or were you trying to say something else, other than defending "scientific racism" on this public list?
Fae
On Tue, 16 Jun 2020 at 14:25, John Erling Blad jeblad@gmail.com
wrote:
I'm not sure it is wise to try to refute differences between humans, whether we call it race or something else, it is simply too easy to
point
out the differences. We should rather promote that differences are a GoodThing™
Humans do exhibit racial differences, but those differences should
not be
used as an excuse for abusing other people.
I'm a pink Norwegian, and I would probably die in the Kalahari
desert,
unless rescued by someone from the San people. They are so darn cool!
On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 2:57 PM Fæ faewik@gmail.com wrote:
It is remarkably easy to find various language Wikipedia articles
that
actively promote scientific racism. The forthcoming WMF universal
code
of conduct is unlikely to directly address this type of damaging anti-educational content, or require projects to take action.
This may surprise some, but here are two examples, and if you
follow
the multiple language links in each, you will find many other
language
examples:
[1] Wikipedia article in Russian about "Negroid race" (Негроидная раса) and associates Negroid as being defined by genetics. Nowhere
in
the article is it explained that these are debunked racist
theories.
[2] Wikipedia article in Italian about "Mongoloid" (Mongoloide), defines being Mongoloid by physical characteristics and presents
it as
a scientific term with a section explaining how the Mogoloid race
is
geographically spread.
Unfortunately, as these outdated racist theories are Wikipedia articles, Wikimedia Commons still hosts multiple *user created* "racial maps" of the human race as if this were a current
scientific
race taxonomy for humans. These maps are not even required to have warnings that their content is scientific racism or why that's a
bad
thing.[3]
At the current time, nobody is solving this problem with systemic racism and I am unaware of the WMF funding a project that will take action to fix it, nor even tracking this repugnant material. The
idea
that we might still be vaguely talking about how bad it is that Wikipedia is being used to promote "Negroid race" as science in several years time, without any systematic action to get rid of it
or
at least correctly reformat the article to describe it as debunked, should alarm everyone concerned that donor's money is supporting
this
content.
Links
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9D%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%...
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Average_Ea...
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yes, when the categories termed Race, when the discussion is about enforcing Race as a concept.
The traits you speak of;
hair color, aspects of bone structure, or susceptibility to certain diseases are heritable characteristics of certain
human populations?
Are attributes of DNA and genetics... defining them by population locations is race its used to imply superiority of one person over another. The term Fae has raised are not terms related to the science of DNA and genetics, these are terms use to justify atrocities and exclude people....
On Tue, 16 Jun 2020 at 21:49, Dennis During dcduring@gmail.com wrote:
Are you actually saying that it is promoting biological racism to mention the fact that, say, skin color, hair color, aspects of bone structure, or susceptibility to certain diseases are heritable characteristics of certain human populations?
Is this some kind of practical joke you are trying to play on us?
On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 9:42 AM Fæ faewik@gmail.com wrote:
What, you are really using a Wikimedia funded email list to promote biological racism? That's ... not acceptable behaviour.
Go read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_racism.
Fae
On Tue, 16 Jun 2020 at 14:37, John Erling Blad jeblad@gmail.com wrote:
Feel free to explain how the appearance of race differences is not
defined
by genetics. I have absolutely no problem accepting that people are different, and that some people may even be better adapted to the environment than me. ;)
On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 3:32 PM Fæ faewik@gmail.com wrote:
No, we do not call other Wikipedians "Negroid" because of their appearance meeting a racist theory published in the 1930s.
Or were you trying to say something else, other than defending "scientific racism" on this public list?
Fae
On Tue, 16 Jun 2020 at 14:25, John Erling Blad jeblad@gmail.com
wrote:
I'm not sure it is wise to try to refute differences between
humans,
whether we call it race or something else, it is simply too easy to
point
out the differences. We should rather promote that differences are
a
GoodThing™
Humans do exhibit racial differences, but those differences should
not be
used as an excuse for abusing other people.
I'm a pink Norwegian, and I would probably die in the Kalahari
desert,
unless rescued by someone from the San people. They are so darn
cool!
On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 2:57 PM Fæ faewik@gmail.com wrote:
It is remarkably easy to find various language Wikipedia articles
that
actively promote scientific racism. The forthcoming WMF universal
code
of conduct is unlikely to directly address this type of damaging anti-educational content, or require projects to take action.
This may surprise some, but here are two examples, and if you
follow
the multiple language links in each, you will find many other
language
examples:
[1] Wikipedia article in Russian about "Negroid race" (Негроидная раса) and associates Negroid as being defined by genetics.
Nowhere
in
the article is it explained that these are debunked racist
theories.
[2] Wikipedia article in Italian about "Mongoloid" (Mongoloide), defines being Mongoloid by physical characteristics and presents
it as
a scientific term with a section explaining how the Mogoloid race
is
geographically spread.
Unfortunately, as these outdated racist theories are Wikipedia articles, Wikimedia Commons still hosts multiple *user created* "racial maps" of the human race as if this were a current
scientific
race taxonomy for humans. These maps are not even required to
have
warnings that their content is scientific racism or why that's a
bad
thing.[3]
At the current time, nobody is solving this problem with systemic racism and I am unaware of the WMF funding a project that will
take
action to fix it, nor even tracking this repugnant material. The
idea
that we might still be vaguely talking about how bad it is that Wikipedia is being used to promote "Negroid race" as science in several years time, without any systematic action to get rid of
it
or
at least correctly reformat the article to describe it as
debunked,
should alarm everyone concerned that donor's money is supporting
this
content.
Links
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9D%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%...
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Average_Ea...
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This conversation has very quickly veered away from the original topic and what the scope of this list is.
Seddon
On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 2:58 PM Gnangarra gnangarra@gmail.com wrote:
yes, when the categories termed Race, when the discussion is about enforcing Race as a concept.
The traits you speak of;
hair color, aspects of bone structure, or susceptibility to certain diseases are heritable characteristics of certain
human populations?
Are attributes of DNA and genetics... defining them by population locations is race its used to imply superiority of one person over another. The term Fae has raised are not terms related to the science of DNA and genetics, these are terms use to justify atrocities and exclude people....
On Tue, 16 Jun 2020 at 21:49, Dennis During dcduring@gmail.com wrote:
Are you actually saying that it is promoting biological racism to mention the fact that, say, skin color, hair color, aspects of bone structure, or susceptibility to certain diseases are heritable characteristics of
certain
human populations?
Is this some kind of practical joke you are trying to play on us?
On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 9:42 AM Fæ faewik@gmail.com wrote:
What, you are really using a Wikimedia funded email list to promote biological racism? That's ... not acceptable behaviour.
Go read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_racism.
Fae
On Tue, 16 Jun 2020 at 14:37, John Erling Blad jeblad@gmail.com
wrote:
Feel free to explain how the appearance of race differences is not
defined
by genetics. I have absolutely no problem accepting that people are different, and that some people may even be better adapted to the environment than me. ;)
On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 3:32 PM Fæ faewik@gmail.com wrote:
No, we do not call other Wikipedians "Negroid" because of their appearance meeting a racist theory published in the 1930s.
Or were you trying to say something else, other than defending "scientific racism" on this public list?
Fae
On Tue, 16 Jun 2020 at 14:25, John Erling Blad jeblad@gmail.com
wrote:
I'm not sure it is wise to try to refute differences between
humans,
whether we call it race or something else, it is simply too easy
to
point
out the differences. We should rather promote that differences
are
a
GoodThing™
Humans do exhibit racial differences, but those differences
should
not be
used as an excuse for abusing other people.
I'm a pink Norwegian, and I would probably die in the Kalahari
desert,
unless rescued by someone from the San people. They are so darn
cool!
On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 2:57 PM Fæ faewik@gmail.com wrote:
> It is remarkably easy to find various language Wikipedia
articles
that
> actively promote scientific racism. The forthcoming WMF
universal
code
> of conduct is unlikely to directly address this type of
damaging
> anti-educational content, or require projects to take action. > > This may surprise some, but here are two examples, and if you
follow
> the multiple language links in each, you will find many other
language
> examples: > > [1] Wikipedia article in Russian about "Negroid race"
(Негроидная
> раса) and associates Negroid as being defined by genetics.
Nowhere
in
> the article is it explained that these are debunked racist
theories.
> > [2] Wikipedia article in Italian about "Mongoloid"
(Mongoloide),
> defines being Mongoloid by physical characteristics and
presents
it as
> a scientific term with a section explaining how the Mogoloid
race
is
> geographically spread. > > Unfortunately, as these outdated racist theories are Wikipedia > articles, Wikimedia Commons still hosts multiple *user created* > "racial maps" of the human race as if this were a current
scientific
> race taxonomy for humans. These maps are not even required to
have
> warnings that their content is scientific racism or why that's
a
bad
> thing.[3] > > At the current time, nobody is solving this problem with
systemic
> racism and I am unaware of the WMF funding a project that will
take
> action to fix it, nor even tracking this repugnant material.
The
idea
> that we might still be vaguely talking about how bad it is that > Wikipedia is being used to promote "Negroid race" as science in > several years time, without any systematic action to get rid of
it
or
> at least correctly reformat the article to describe it as
debunked,
> should alarm everyone concerned that donor's money is
supporting
this
> content. > > Links > 1. >
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9D%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%...
> 2. https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongoloide > 3. >
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Average_Ea...
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I don't feel safe presenting truths in an environment where one can be bullied for presenting truths that are unfashionable or can be so painted. Does the Code of Conduct cover that?
On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 8:57 AM Fæ faewik@gmail.com wrote:
It is remarkably easy to find various language Wikipedia articles that actively promote scientific racism. The forthcoming WMF universal code of conduct is unlikely to directly address this type of damaging anti-educational content, or require projects to take action.
This may surprise some, but here are two examples, and if you follow the multiple language links in each, you will find many other language examples:
[1] Wikipedia article in Russian about "Negroid race" (Негроидная раса) and associates Negroid as being defined by genetics. Nowhere in the article is it explained that these are debunked racist theories.
[2] Wikipedia article in Italian about "Mongoloid" (Mongoloide), defines being Mongoloid by physical characteristics and presents it as a scientific term with a section explaining how the Mogoloid race is geographically spread.
Unfortunately, as these outdated racist theories are Wikipedia articles, Wikimedia Commons still hosts multiple *user created* "racial maps" of the human race as if this were a current scientific race taxonomy for humans. These maps are not even required to have warnings that their content is scientific racism or why that's a bad thing.[3]
At the current time, nobody is solving this problem with systemic racism and I am unaware of the WMF funding a project that will take action to fix it, nor even tracking this repugnant material. The idea that we might still be vaguely talking about how bad it is that Wikipedia is being used to promote "Negroid race" as science in several years time, without any systematic action to get rid of it or at least correctly reformat the article to describe it as debunked, should alarm everyone concerned that donor's money is supporting this content.
Links
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9D%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%... 2. https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongoloide 3. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Average_Ea...
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I don't feel safe in an environment were racism is being labeled as "presenting truths".
Maybe the list moderators should take a look at this thread.
Chico Venancio
Em ter, 16 de jun de 2020 10:42, Dennis During dcduring@gmail.com escreveu:
I don't feel safe presenting truths in an environment where one can be bullied for presenting truths that are unfashionable or can be so painted. Does the Code of Conduct cover that?
On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 8:57 AM Fæ faewik@gmail.com wrote:
It is remarkably easy to find various language Wikipedia articles that actively promote scientific racism. The forthcoming WMF universal code of conduct is unlikely to directly address this type of damaging anti-educational content, or require projects to take action.
This may surprise some, but here are two examples, and if you follow the multiple language links in each, you will find many other language examples:
[1] Wikipedia article in Russian about "Negroid race" (Негроидная раса) and associates Negroid as being defined by genetics. Nowhere in the article is it explained that these are debunked racist theories.
[2] Wikipedia article in Italian about "Mongoloid" (Mongoloide), defines being Mongoloid by physical characteristics and presents it as a scientific term with a section explaining how the Mogoloid race is geographically spread.
Unfortunately, as these outdated racist theories are Wikipedia articles, Wikimedia Commons still hosts multiple *user created* "racial maps" of the human race as if this were a current scientific race taxonomy for humans. These maps are not even required to have warnings that their content is scientific racism or why that's a bad thing.[3]
At the current time, nobody is solving this problem with systemic racism and I am unaware of the WMF funding a project that will take action to fix it, nor even tracking this repugnant material. The idea that we might still be vaguely talking about how bad it is that Wikipedia is being used to promote "Negroid race" as science in several years time, without any systematic action to get rid of it or at least correctly reformat the article to describe it as debunked, should alarm everyone concerned that donor's money is supporting this content.
Links
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9D%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%...
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Average_Ea...
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So you don't believe that skin color, susceptibility to disease etc are heritable? Have you heard of DNA?
I had sincerely hoped that the equivalent of yahooist book-burning wouldn't take over Wikimedia. It's not just disappointing; it's scary.
On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 9:49 AM Chico Venancio chicocvenancio@gmail.com wrote:
I don't feel safe in an environment were racism is being labeled as "presenting truths".
Maybe the list moderators should take a look at this thread.
Chico Venancio
Em ter, 16 de jun de 2020 10:42, Dennis During dcduring@gmail.com escreveu:
I don't feel safe presenting truths in an environment where one can be bullied for presenting truths that are unfashionable or can be so
painted.
Does the Code of Conduct cover that?
On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 8:57 AM Fæ faewik@gmail.com wrote:
It is remarkably easy to find various language Wikipedia articles that actively promote scientific racism. The forthcoming WMF universal code of conduct is unlikely to directly address this type of damaging anti-educational content, or require projects to take action.
This may surprise some, but here are two examples, and if you follow the multiple language links in each, you will find many other language examples:
[1] Wikipedia article in Russian about "Negroid race" (Негроидная раса) and associates Negroid as being defined by genetics. Nowhere in the article is it explained that these are debunked racist theories.
[2] Wikipedia article in Italian about "Mongoloid" (Mongoloide), defines being Mongoloid by physical characteristics and presents it as a scientific term with a section explaining how the Mogoloid race is geographically spread.
Unfortunately, as these outdated racist theories are Wikipedia articles, Wikimedia Commons still hosts multiple *user created* "racial maps" of the human race as if this were a current scientific race taxonomy for humans. These maps are not even required to have warnings that their content is scientific racism or why that's a bad thing.[3]
At the current time, nobody is solving this problem with systemic racism and I am unaware of the WMF funding a project that will take action to fix it, nor even tracking this repugnant material. The idea that we might still be vaguely talking about how bad it is that Wikipedia is being used to promote "Negroid race" as science in several years time, without any systematic action to get rid of it or at least correctly reformat the article to describe it as debunked, should alarm everyone concerned that donor's money is supporting this content.
Links
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9D%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%...
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Average_Ea...
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Wikipedia and the Wikimedia projects should reflect the scientific consensus, whether that be on climate, vaccines, or the concept of biological "races".
The latter concept is deeply tied to 19th-century pseudoscience, and is very different from modern genetic science. Genetic traits have various distributions by geography, but these are not grouped by "races", which is largely an arbitrary social distinction.
I agree that this is not a particularly fruitful topic for discussion on this mailing list.
Thanks, Richard (User:Pharos)
On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 9:42 AM Dennis During dcduring@gmail.com wrote:
I don't feel safe presenting truths in an environment where one can be bullied for presenting truths that are unfashionable or can be so painted. Does the Code of Conduct cover that?
On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 8:57 AM Fæ faewik@gmail.com wrote:
It is remarkably easy to find various language Wikipedia articles that actively promote scientific racism. The forthcoming WMF universal code of conduct is unlikely to directly address this type of damaging anti-educational content, or require projects to take action.
This may surprise some, but here are two examples, and if you follow the multiple language links in each, you will find many other language examples:
[1] Wikipedia article in Russian about "Negroid race" (Негроидная раса) and associates Negroid as being defined by genetics. Nowhere in the article is it explained that these are debunked racist theories.
[2] Wikipedia article in Italian about "Mongoloid" (Mongoloide), defines being Mongoloid by physical characteristics and presents it as a scientific term with a section explaining how the Mogoloid race is geographically spread.
Unfortunately, as these outdated racist theories are Wikipedia articles, Wikimedia Commons still hosts multiple *user created* "racial maps" of the human race as if this were a current scientific race taxonomy for humans. These maps are not even required to have warnings that their content is scientific racism or why that's a bad thing.[3]
At the current time, nobody is solving this problem with systemic racism and I am unaware of the WMF funding a project that will take action to fix it, nor even tracking this repugnant material. The idea that we might still be vaguely talking about how bad it is that Wikipedia is being used to promote "Negroid race" as science in several years time, without any systematic action to get rid of it or at least correctly reformat the article to describe it as debunked, should alarm everyone concerned that donor's money is supporting this content.
Links
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9D%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%...
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Average_Ea...
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