And there are some more points: - List/wiki should be administrated by delegates of all major wiki projects (what is major wiki project?) or by delegates of delegates.

-----Original Message----- From: foundation-l-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:foundation-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Milos Rancic Sent: 23 August 2007 03:02 To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] A general wiki list? On 8/23/07, Brianna Laugher <brianna.laugher(a)gmail.com> wrote: The intention was just to show that the list shouldn't be a dominated by one group, but also to find some model against destructive people. And to put it into one rule. It seems that I am too much influenced by continental way of generating social rules ;) As you say... users/developers of all Either way, I think that it should be a llist of all users and developers of all wiki engines. My primary intention was to make a place where people would be able to talk about wiki projects in general (or particular, whatever), but not related exclusively to WM projects. Even I am for a long time well introduced where to ask what, I completely understand frustration of the people who are trying to give some idea and to discuss about it, but very soon they realize that anything which is not related to WM is off topic here. So, wider community needs a general list where such talks will not be off topic. But, while thinking about the list (and supporting wiki) I realized that they may be used fo a number of other interesting things. For example, while MediaWiki today is growing into a dominant wiki engine, I think that pywikipediabot is the core of a new generation wiki engine which should replace MW in some future. But, even it is safe to say that both projects are WM projects, there is no list to discuss about that (mediawiki is for MediaWiki, wikitech is for Wikimedia related technical things, pywikipedia is for a pywikipediabot; maybe wikiresearch? but how many developers of MW and pwb are there?). Or, I think that MediaWiki is better software for revision control then CVS/SVN. And there is no place to talk about it wider. I would like to talk about it with, for example, some Apache developer generally interested in wiki concept. And it is hard to say that such person is willing to be on MW list and catches interesting things from 99% talk about MW features and bugs. Those were my today's thoughts :) And I am sure that there are a lot of things related to wiki concept which are simply off topic at the most of wiki places. _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

Did you get that url right? spreadwiki.org looks like a spamdexing site.

There is a list on MediaWiki.org of wikis that use the MediaWiki software somewhere.

this has been tried, with little or no success. My feeling was that there simply is too little that motivates people to join and contribute on a general list. Or maybe marketing wasn't good enough.

I don't want to be too pessimistic, but what has changed? What specific topics would you discuss on a general list?

Finally, the project is almost started. However, we need to wait for a while for a mailing list. Wiki is up (http://www.ibiblio.org/wikiworld/), even it is not the central part of the project. (However, it is useful for gathering ideas from the mailing list.) Starting FAQ is available here: http://www.ibiblio.org/wikiworld/index.php/Wiki_World:FAQ Some more explanations (including an FAQ) are available here: http://millosh.wordpress.com/2007/08/28/wiki-world-almost-started/ And there are a couple of issues related to Wikimedia: - When the list would be ready, I think that it should stay somewhere at the first half of the page http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/overview (aka http://lists.wikimedia.org/). Any objection? - While wiki is important only as a repository of resources and ideas, I think that it should also be mentioned *somewhere* inside of Wikimedia/Wikipedia manuals. However, I don't have an idea where. I'll make a wider announce when list becomes ready. On 8/22/07, Milos Rancic <millosh(a)gmail.com> wrote: