You could start by listing the ad hoc methods. Others might add to the list. The list
might inspire alternative ideas.
Cheers,
Peter
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One small step forward might be to add more support to 'groups' in the mediawiki
codebase. Groups could help organize the various subcommunities.
Perhaps consider this a federal system for wikipedia. ;)
I have been experimenting with real-time collaborative editors on wikipedia. One question
that arises is: how do I find others who are interested in working on this particular page
with me? Currently there are a number of ad-hoc methods used.
One could imagine that the participants on a particular article's talk page consistute
a sort of ad hoc "group". Various wikiprojects are a more formal group. But
can we think about this more, and come up with better mediawiki tools to
find/discover/join/share/discuss things in our group(s)?
--scott
On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 2:57 PM, Mingli Yuan <mingli.yuan(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi, Nemo,
Can you please find that specific page/formulation of the principle?
I'd like to reference it from point 1 of
https://www.mediawiki.org/
wiki/Principles but I couldn't find it with a quick search. (Note,
it's not really *universally* accepted as a wiki principle.)
It is at
http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?WikiDesignPrinciples
Hi, Samuel,
Now we have so much metadata about pages and edits, we could cluster
results in a more meaningful way...
Yes! If Summly can help people read news, why not to observe wiki in a
more meaningful way?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_D'Aloisio
On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 2:31 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo)
<nemowiki(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Mingli Yuan, 05/06/2014 19:43:
If you visit the early page of
c2.com, you will find the idea
> of observability is one pillar principle of wiki software, and just
follow
>> the idea, Ward invent the RecentChanges for all wikis.
>>
>
> Can you please find that specific page/formulation of the principle?
I'd like to reference it from point 1 of
https://www.mediawiki.org/
wiki/Principles but I couldn't find it with a quick search. (Note,
it's not really *universally* accepted as a wiki principle.)
> Some rather big software development projects have failed, recently,
> in ways that a simple checklist like the page above could have
> avoided. So this is an important conversation to have.
>
>
>
>> At that time c2 is very small; now Wikipedia is so big. The
>> original
idea
of
RecentChanges is not very effective today.
Nor in 2002. :)
http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?TooManyRecentChanges
We had made some extension
> for the original idea in our mediawiki software, but I think the
> step is too small.
>
> Let's first take a look of what we had already invented are similar
> to RecentChanges but more effective:
>
> * Wikizine or Signpost: community stories every week
> * some part of a Portal: recent changes under a subject compiled by
human
>
> Still possible for other kind of RecentChanges which is not
> invented
yet,
for
example:
* References and external links are very valuable resources, why
not extract them from articles and compile them into a timeline?
None of these escapes
http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?RecentChangesIsNotTheWiki ; some have failed before:
http://meatballwiki.org/wiki/RoleOfRecentChanges
Content is only one aspect to observe, people are
another:
Attention, we're radically rooted in
http://meatballwiki.org/wiki/
ContentOverCommunity
* Who are the experts on some topics?
> * Who are my buddies on some articles?
> * Who did help me to improve an article originally I wrote?
>
> In all, we may reshape our technical infrastructure in this
> direction
for
> new spaces of participation. And finally, one
open question for the
system
> designer:
>
> * Towards better content and community, what is the most important
things
we want
our user to observe?
I'm not sure that's the right question. Anyway, more reading:
http://meatballwiki.org/wiki/back=CategoryRecentChanges
http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?search=RecentChanges
Nemo
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