No. You may want to look at <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Committee_on_Standards_in_Public_Life> this does not include keeping things secret just because someone said "let's keep this secret". The exact opposite is true, if you are in a trusted public position then you must show leadership for integrity, honesty and openness even if this does mean explaining your actions that you thought would stay in-camera under a "gentleman's agreement". To do otherwise, as has been readily demonstrated by the history of UK Government political networks, corrupts the movement by turning the "higher ranks" into an Old Boys Club who are more likely to find ways to cover up for each other, rather than be seen to be accountable. It goes on to spell out that [Chapter Trustees] "are accountable for their decisions and actions to the public and must submit themselves to whatever scrutiny is appropriate to their office." Calling Tomasz a troll as a way of dismissing a serious question about statements made in meetings that Wikimedia donors paid for about the volunteer community is not unreasonable. Had whomever said these things, came forward and explained their point of view, in the same way as the always delightful Christophe Henner has in this thread, then they would have my respect and be seen to comply with the Nolan principles. In comparison to Christophe's openness, Chris Keating's responses to good faith questions about this workshop before it happened,[1] in particular his blatantly dismissive replies to long term Wikimedian well known activist Effeietsanders, seem well below how we expect someone who has formally signed up to the Nolan principles as part of the UK trustee code[2] to behave. As Michael Maggs is the one with a duty as the UK Chairman to enforce this code, I am sure folks will be welcome to ask him about these matters, and his expectation for behaviour from his board members, both when in closed or open meetings or on this email list, during the open meetings at the Wikimedia Conference later this week. I hope such a discussion does not get turned around into "how do we stop Tomasz from trolling us by asking difficult questions". Links: 1. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Boards_training_workshop_March_2014#Ty… 2. https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/Trustee_Code_of_Conduct Fae On 7 April 2014 15:44, Béria Lima &lt;berialima(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: -- faewik(a)gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae Personal and confidential, please do not circulate or re-quote. _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

On the other other hand, having any sort of "Chatham House Rule" in an organisation which prides itself as having openness and transparency as one of its core tenets......think about it people.......... Hell, we once had Oliver Keyes spouting on IRC how lowly he thinks of Jimmy Wales (in addition to attacking other editors) and he was rewarded with a promotion and a shout-out from Sue at Wikimania, so seriously, the organisation has no need for any "Chatham House Rule". What is the issue here, isn't so much the comment that was made, but the context in which it was made. We keep hearing about context. Well give us context guys. Surely the context isn't a secret? Or will you all prove true Fae's comments: "corrupts the movement by turning the "higher ranks" into an Old Boys Club who are more likely to find ways to cover up for each other, rather than be seen to be accountable." Russavia _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

No. You may want to look at <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Committee_on_Standards_in_Public_Life> this does not include keeping things secret just because someone said "let's keep this secret". The exact opposite is true, if you are in a trusted public position then you must show leadership for integrity, honesty and openness even if this does mean explaining your actions that you thought would stay in-camera under a "gentleman's agreement". To do otherwise, as has been readily demonstrated by the history of UK Government political networks, corrupts the movement by turning the "higher ranks" into an Old Boys Club who are more likely to find ways to cover up for each other, rather than be seen to be accountable. It goes on to spell out that [Chapter Trustees] "are accountable for their decisions and actions to the public and must submit themselves to whatever scrutiny is appropriate to their office." Calling Tomasz a troll as a way of dismissing a serious question about statements made in meetings that Wikimedia donors paid for about the volunteer community is not unreasonable. Had whomever said these things, came forward and explained their point of view, in the same way as the always delightful Christophe Henner has in this thread, then they would have my respect and be seen to comply with the Nolan principles. In comparison to Christophe's openness, Chris Keating's responses to good faith questions about this workshop before it happened,[1] in particular his blatantly dismissive replies to long term Wikimedian well known activist Effeietsanders, seem well below how we expect someone who has formally signed up to the Nolan principles as part of the UK trustee code[2] to behave. As Michael Maggs is the one with a duty as the UK Chairman to enforce this code, I am sure folks will be welcome to ask him about these matters, and his expectation for behaviour from his board members, both when in closed or open meetings or on this email list, during the open meetings at the Wikimedia Conference later this week. I hope such a discussion does not get turned around into "how do we stop Tomasz from trolling us by asking difficult questions". Links: 1. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Boards_training_workshop_March_2014#Ty… 2. https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/Trustee_Code_of_Conduct Fae On 7 April 2014 15:44, Béria Lima &lt;berialima(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: promise of <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> -- faewik(a)gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae Personal and confidential, please do not circulate or re-quote. _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>