Hi,
I am looking for a space where I can set up projects like:
- clean up a wiki category
- set up book scanning tasks
- track a survey stages (planning, translation, ad, analysis, etc)
Is phabricator a good place for that? I guess that with appropriate project/subproject separation then the tasks wouldn't be mixed with coding tasks.
How is it being done at the WMF?
Cheers,
Micru
Great question. I'd love a structured task manager for such things, also.
On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 2:01 PM, David Cuenca Tudela dacuetu@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
I am looking for a space where I can set up projects like:
clean up a wiki category
set up book scanning tasks
track a survey stages (planning, translation, ad, analysis, etc)
Is phabricator a good place for that? I guess that with appropriate project/subproject separation then the tasks wouldn't be mixed with coding tasks.
How is it being done at the WMF?
Cheers,
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David,
I don't know of any specific rules about what's allowed in Phabricator. I *do* know that a number of teams at the WMF use Phabricator for non-coding tasks—for example, see T89355 [1], T97004 [2], T100918 [3], and T101207 [4].
I speak only for myself, but I really like the idea of community members using Phab to track Wikimedia-related projects like surveys and book scanning. I can't see any downsides, other than the frightening possibility of running out of numbers. (I do think category cleanup on a specific wiki would be better tracked on the wiki itself with maintenance templates, but I don't feel very strongly about it.)
[1]: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T89355 [2]: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97004 [3]: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T100918 [4]: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T101207
————— Neil P. Quinn https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Neil_P._Quinn-WMF, product analyst Wikimedia Foundation +1 (202) 656 3457
On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 1:44 PM, Sam Klein sjklein@hcs.harvard.edu wrote:
Great question. I'd love a structured task manager for such things, also.
On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 2:01 PM, David Cuenca Tudela dacuetu@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
I am looking for a space where I can set up projects like:
clean up a wiki category
set up book scanning tasks
track a survey stages (planning, translation, ad, analysis, etc)
Is phabricator a good place for that? I guess that with appropriate project/subproject separation then the tasks wouldn't be mixed with
coding
tasks.
How is it being done at the WMF?
Cheers,
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Hi,
On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 9:01 PM, David Cuenca Tudela dacuetu@gmail.com wrote:
I am looking for a space where I can set up projects like:
clean up a wiki category
set up book scanning tasks
track a survey stages (planning, translation, ad, analysis, etc)
Is phabricator a good place for that?
Since the very first day of https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/, the blurb in the homepage reads
"*Phabricator* is a collaboration platform open to all Wikimedia and MediaWiki contributors. We focus on bug reporting and software projects. Non-technical initiatives are welcome as well."
That replies your question officially. :)
I guess that with appropriate project/subproject separation then the tasks wouldn't be mixed with coding tasks.
Just like nobody wants all coding tasks mixed either. :) Tasks get mixed or apart in the way you want with the use of projects/tags. Simple.
How is it being done at the WMF?
For instance, even if a hackathon is about code, *organizing* a hackathon is not. In fact Engineering Community doesn't write much code and we have 99% of our activity organized in Phabricator projects, tasks, and sprints.
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/maniphest/?statuses=open()&projects=PH...
Further reading:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Phabricator/Creating_and_renaming_projects https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Phabricator/Project_management and of course https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Phabricator/Help, which is ready for all kinds of users, technical or not.
See you all there! If you have questions, just ask at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Phabricator/Help or #wikimedia-devtools IRC
SJ, Neil and Quim, thanks wholeheartedly for all your answers, I think that removes most of the fears that I had. Although I must say it feels a bit unconventional since I haven´t figured out yet how to do scheduling, process flow, and other standard non-coding project management tasks in Phabricator. When compared with standard tools like MS Project, on the Project Planning Properties realm Phabricator seems to be lacking many features; http://project-management.zone/system/microsoft-project,phabricator
I guess I will start trying and learning to see how far I can get with it. It doesn´t need to be complex in order to be effective.
Cheers, Micru
On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 1:24 AM, Quim Gil qgil@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi,
On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 9:01 PM, David Cuenca Tudela dacuetu@gmail.com wrote:
I am looking for a space where I can set up projects like:
clean up a wiki category
set up book scanning tasks
track a survey stages (planning, translation, ad, analysis, etc)
Is phabricator a good place for that?
Since the very first day of https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/, the blurb in the homepage reads
"*Phabricator* is a collaboration platform open to all Wikimedia and MediaWiki contributors. We focus on bug reporting and software projects. Non-technical initiatives are welcome as well."
That replies your question officially. :)
I guess that with appropriate project/subproject separation then the tasks wouldn't be mixed with
coding
tasks.
Just like nobody wants all coding tasks mixed either. :) Tasks get mixed or apart in the way you want with the use of projects/tags. Simple.
How is it being done at the WMF?
For instance, even if a hackathon is about code, *organizing* a hackathon is not. In fact Engineering Community doesn't write much code and we have 99% of our activity organized in Phabricator projects, tasks, and sprints.
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/maniphest/?statuses=open()&projects=PH...
Further reading:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Phabricator/Creating_and_renaming_projects https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Phabricator/Project_management and of course https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Phabricator/Help, which is ready for all kinds of users, technical or not.
See you all there! If you have questions, just ask at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Phabricator/Help or #wikimedia-devtools IRC
-- Quim Gil Engineering Community Manager @ Wikimedia Foundation http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Qgil _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 9:34 AM, David Cuenca Tudela dacuetu@gmail.com wrote:
Although I must say it feels a bit unconventional since I haven´t figured out yet how to do scheduling, process flow, and other standard non-coding project management tasks in Phabricator.
"unconventional", "standard"... tsk tsk, you know better than this. ;)
Phabricator aligns better with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanban_(development) -- see also the recent Wikimedia Tech Talk about this topic: https://plus.google.com/events/cg2sb5m878c8ot3nhf2uk4mii34
When compared with standard tools like MS Project, on the Project Planning Properties realm Phabricator seems to be lacking many features; http://project-management.zone/system/microsoft-project,phabricator
Sure. After deprecating Bugzilla, RT, Scrumbugz, Mingle, and Trello, we have accumulated a ton of feedback on features that are really really missing, features that are kind of missing, and also many features that users thought that would miss, but by now they have forgotten about. Try it out, give yourself a week, and let us know what you miss exactly.
If you really want to dig... https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/phabricator-upstream/
I guess I will start trying and learning to see how far I can get with it.
It doesn´t need to be complex in order to be effective.
I'll invite you to a great dinner if you miss MS Project after using Phabricator in a real Wikimedia activity for more than a month. :)
On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 11:31 AM, Quim Gil qgil@wikimedia.org wrote:
I'll invite you to a great dinner if you miss MS Project after using Phabricator in a real Wikimedia activity for more than a month. :)
That is real project management :D No, I don't think I'll miss it so much, perhaps the only thing I *really* miss is the ability to add subprojects, but I saw that is already on the Phabricator road map :)
Cheers, Micru
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