Please keep in mind the plausible scenario that one or more people contacted T & S, and asserted that editor X is extremely distressed about harassment arriving from on wiki edits. Fram can be literally telling the truth when they say that they are unaware of any off wiki commincations, while T&S Is in possession of information that cannot simply be summarized as on wiki or off wiki. It may well be off wiki real life observations but not related to any off wiki communications involving Fram.
Phil
Well, I think we're all well aware that not everything pertaining to the situation is on-wiki. There were clearly communications that were not, even if just those that took place during WMF's review procedure, the ones they've had with ArbCom, etc.
The question that was asked, specifically, was "Were the actions for which this ban was imposed entirely on-wiki ones, or did any alleged harassment which factored into the decision take place via other channels?" That particular question could be given a clear up-or-down answer without any privacy issues. Even if the answer is "Some of the conduct was off-wiki", that tells us nothing about what it was or how WMF came to be aware of it.
Todd
On Sun, Jun 30, 2019 at 9:20 AM Stephen Philbrick < stephen.w.philbrick@gmail.com> wrote:
Please keep in mind the plausible scenario that one or more people contacted T & S, and asserted that editor X is extremely distressed about harassment arriving from on wiki edits. Fram can be literally telling the truth when they say that they are unaware of any off wiki commincations, while T&S Is in possession of information that cannot simply be summarized as on wiki or off wiki. It may well be off wiki real life observations but not related to any off wiki communications involving Fram.
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Den søn. 30. jun. 2019 kl. 18.48 skrev Todd Allen toddmallen@gmail.com:
"Even if the answer is "Some of the conduct was off-wiki", that tells us nothing about what it was or how WMF came to be aware of it."
I'm not so sure that is correct.
Thyge Larsen (Sir48)
It would do a great deal to clear the air of speculation if they would at least confirm they're not accusing Fram of off wiki harassment.
On Jun 30, 2019, at 8:20 AM, Stephen Philbrick stephen.w.philbrick@gmail.com wrote:
Please keep in mind the plausible scenario that one or more people contacted T & S, and asserted that editor X is extremely distressed about harassment arriving from on wiki edits. Fram can be literally telling the truth when they say that they are unaware of any off wiki commincations, while T&S Is in possession of information that cannot simply be summarized as on wiki or off wiki. It may well be off wiki real life observations but not related to any off wiki communications involving Fram.
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