On 5/20/07, Casey Brown cbrown1023@comcast.net wrote:
Thirded, but I think it is quite obvious from my responses to Anthony that I think he is a troll.
This is nothing personal against you but can we stop this right now? If anyone else wants to talk to Anthony about whether he is a "troll" or not, do it in private and *off-list*. I have already said this in a post to the list once (http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2007-May/030030.html) and I repeat my statement: Accusing each other of trolling in public only stimulates flame wars and is not in any other way helpful to this list. The next unlucky person who decides to entertain the list with ad personam comments about other subscribers risks being moderated.
Thank you Michael
Cbrown1023
-----Original Message----- From: foundation-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:foundation-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Alison Wheeler Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 9:03 AM To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] [announcement] new staff member in business development
On Sun, May 20, 2007 13:26, Robert Leverington wrote:
Please Anthony, stop being a troll. You are being completely ignorant and rude.
Seconded.
On 20/05/07, Anthony wikilegal@inbox.org wrote:
Leasing servers instead of purchasing them is one factor which should help a great deal.
Leasing equipment is what you do when you need the option to be able to cancel it should trading conditions turn against you and you no longer need the equipment (which is not the case with WMF - we *know* that our usage will continue to increase not decrease) -or- you want to be able to mark down the lease / interest payments against your tax liability, again which does not apply to WMF.
As Robert got to saying first, please be constructive and don't troll.
Alison Wheeler
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On 5/20/07, Michael Bimmler mbimmler@gmail.com wrote:
This is nothing personal against you but can we stop this right now? If anyone else wants to talk to Anthony about whether he is a "troll" or not, do it in private and *off-list*. I have already said this in a post to the list once (http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2007-May/030030.html) and I repeat my statement: Accusing each other of trolling in public only stimulates flame wars and is not in any other way helpful to this list. The next unlucky person who decides to entertain the list with ad personam comments about other subscribers risks being moderated.
Note, if this isn't clear enough: This also covers defamatory (ad personam) comments against board members, the board as a whole, Wikimedia Foundation staff (members and as a whole), committees etc etc.
I certainly think that discussion is a good thing and I do not wish to censor critical comments, even I think it is highly important that the Foundation is open, transparent and open to public criticism. But this needs be done with a certain decency, respect and should be done in a constructive rather than destructive way.
Michael
Thank you Michael
Cbrown1023
-----Original Message----- From: foundation-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:foundation-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Alison Wheeler Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 9:03 AM To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] [announcement] new staff member in business development
On Sun, May 20, 2007 13:26, Robert Leverington wrote:
Please Anthony, stop being a troll. You are being completely ignorant and rude.
Seconded.
On 20/05/07, Anthony wikilegal@inbox.org wrote:
Leasing servers instead of purchasing them is one factor which should help a great deal.
Leasing equipment is what you do when you need the option to be able to cancel it should trading conditions turn against you and you no longer need the equipment (which is not the case with WMF - we *know* that our usage will continue to increase not decrease) -or- you want to be able to mark down the lease / interest payments against your tax liability, again which does not apply to WMF.
As Robert got to saying first, please be constructive and don't troll.
Alison Wheeler
foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
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On May 20, 2007, at 10:16 AM, Michael Bimmler wrote:
I certainly think that discussion is a good thing and I do not wish to censor critical comments, even I think it is highly important that the Foundation is open, transparent and open to public criticism. But this needs be done with a certain decency, respect and should be done in a constructive rather than destructive way.
I just wanted to quote this to highlight the GOOD in this community. Michael is absolutely right.
We need to have the good judgment to distinguish between serious open discussion about problems and opportunities and dishonest trolling. And to simply invite the trolls to leave. We do this on the wiki all the time. We need to do the same on the mailing list.
--Jimbo
Michael Bimmler wrote:
On 5/20/07, Casey Brown cbrown1023@comcast.net wrote:
Thirded, but I think it is quite obvious from my responses to Anthony that I think he is a troll.
This is nothing personal against you but can we stop this right now? If anyone else wants to talk to Anthony about whether he is a "troll" or not, do it in private and *off-list*. I have already said this in a post to the list once (http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2007-May/030030.html) and I repeat my statement: Accusing each other of trolling in public only stimulates flame wars and is not in any other way helpful to this list. The next unlucky person who decides to entertain the list with ad personam comments about other subscribers risks being moderated.
Thank you Michael
Hmmm.
Right.
Sure.
Well.
Anthony is currently trolling.
Ant
Just make sure you know that I asked Anthony to take a step back from the computer and cool-off, way before I called him a troll.
Cbrown1023
-----Original Message----- From: foundation-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:foundation-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Michael Bimmler Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 10:05 AM To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] [announcement] new staff member in businessdevelopment
On 5/20/07, Casey Brown cbrown1023@comcast.net wrote:
Thirded, but I think it is quite obvious from my responses to Anthony that
I
think he is a troll.
This is nothing personal against you but can we stop this right now? If anyone else wants to talk to Anthony about whether he is a "troll" or not, do it in private and *off-list*. I have already said this in a post to the list once (http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2007-May/030030.html) and I repeat my statement: Accusing each other of trolling in public only stimulates flame wars and is not in any other way helpful to this list. The next unlucky person who decides to entertain the list with ad personam comments about other subscribers risks being moderated.
Thank you Michael
Cbrown1023
-----Original Message----- From: foundation-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:foundation-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Alison Wheeler Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 9:03 AM To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] [announcement] new staff member in business development
On Sun, May 20, 2007 13:26, Robert Leverington wrote:
Please Anthony, stop being a troll. You are being completely ignorant
and
rude.
Seconded.
On 20/05/07, Anthony wikilegal@inbox.org wrote:
Leasing servers instead of purchasing them is one factor which should help a great deal.
Leasing equipment is what you do when you need the option to be able to cancel it should trading conditions turn against you and you no longer need the equipment (which is not the case with WMF - we *know* that our usage will continue to increase not decrease) -or- you want to be able to mark down the lease / interest payments against your tax liability, again which does not apply to WMF.
As Robert got to saying first, please be constructive and don't troll.
Alison Wheeler
foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
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