Definitely a cultural thing -I still don't understand why someone can feel intimidated or harassed by that e-mail....I'd better not go into details because it can be understood as I'm attacking an ethnic/linguistic group of wikimedians :-)
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-------- Original message -------- From: James Alexander jalexander@wikimedia.org Date: 23/03/2014 23:47 (GMT+02:00) To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimania-l] Setting ticket prices
On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 11:34 AM, Carlos M. Colina maorx@wikimedia.org.vewrote:
Wait, are we in kindergarden? I think Rupert's email was sent off-list, so basically there is no need to bring it up to the list, regardless how related it is to the thread. Private discussions between two people should remain that, _private_, no?
I just don't get it.
M.
While in general that is the goal (private emails staying private) I would say that in a case like this, no, you have no expectation of privacy when you go 'off list' to, in my opinion, harass and intimidate someone about what they did on the list. I think Nathan was completely reasonable to bring it back on list and that MZs comment is completely correct. It's like 'taking it outside' of a bar to have a fight, the bar is completely reasonable in banning you for it and it's still illegal.
Rupert's email was completely unacceptable and I'm glad Nathan brought it to our attention rather then either getting into a prolonged off-list debate that helps no one or letting it lie so that no one else was aware of the attacks.
James
El 23/03/2014 04:33 p.m., MZMcBride escribió:
I just wanted to chime in here to say that, at least in a vacuum, I found
Rupert's e-mail to be highly inappropriate and I found Nathan's response to it to be wholly appropriate.
Rupert, I hope to never see a repeat of this incident, in which you attempt to badger a list participant and Wikimedia volunteer off-list with uninformed and irrelevant questions under the guise of "saving bandwidth" and faux concern. Cut it out.
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My POV is similar to Carlos's words. I think that private discussions between two people should remain private.
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2014-03-24 6:30 GMT+02:00 Carlos M. Colina maorx@wikimedia.org.ve:
Definitely a cultural thing -I still don't understand why someone can feel intimidated or harassed by that e-mail....I'd better not go into details because it can be understood as I'm attacking an ethnic/linguistic group of wikimedians :-)
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-------- Original message -------- From: James Alexander jalexander@wikimedia.org Date: 23/03/2014 23:47 (GMT+02:00) To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimania-l] Setting ticket prices
On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 11:34 AM, Carlos M. Colina maorx@wikimedia.org.vewrote:
Wait, are we in kindergarden? I think Rupert's email was sent off-list,
so
basically there is no need to bring it up to the list, regardless how related it is to the thread. Private discussions between two people
should
remain that, _private_, no?
I just don't get it.
M.
While in general that is the goal (private emails staying private) I would say that in a case like this, no, you have no expectation of privacy when you go 'off list' to, in my opinion, harass and intimidate someone about what they did on the list. I think Nathan was completely reasonable to bring it back on list and that MZs comment is completely correct. It's like 'taking it outside' of a bar to have a fight, the bar is completely reasonable in banning you for it and it's still illegal.
Rupert's email was completely unacceptable and I'm glad Nathan brought it to our attention rather then either getting into a prolonged off-list debate that helps no one or letting it lie so that no one else was aware of the attacks.
James
El 23/03/2014 04:33 p.m., MZMcBride escribió:
I just wanted to chime in here to say that, at least in a vacuum, I
found
Rupert's e-mail to be highly inappropriate and I found Nathan's response to it to be wholly appropriate.
Rupert, I hope to never see a repeat of this incident, in which you attempt to badger a list participant and Wikimedia volunteer off-list
with
uninformed and irrelevant questions under the guise of "saving
bandwidth"
and faux concern. Cut it out.
MZMcBride
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