Hi folks,
Now that the dust has settled a bit, I would like to expand on an idea that’s been touched on a few times (most recently, in an editorial by William Beutler [1]): the notion that WMF might be a more effective organization if it limited its own size in favor of focused spin-off organizations and affiliates.
I was very much part of building the current WMF in terms of both size and structure, but I also think recent events underscore the fragility of the current model. WMF is still tiny compared with other tech companies that operate popular websites, but it’s a vast organization by Wikimedia movement standards. With nearly 300 staff [2] (beyond even our ambitious 2015 strategic plan staffing numbers), it dwarfs any other movement org.
I can see three potential benefits from a more federated model:
1) Resilience. If any one organization experiences a crisis, other independent organizations suffer to a lesser degree than departments within that organization.
2) Focus. Wikimedia’s mission is very broad, and an organization with a clearly defined mandate is less likely to be pulled in many different directions -- at every level.
3) Accountability. Within a less centralized federation, it is easier to ensure that funding flows to those who do work the movement wants them to do.
My experience is that growth tends to be self-reinforcing in budgetary processes if there are now clear ceilings established. I think that’s true in almost any organization. There’s always lots of work to do, and new teams will discover new gaps and areas into which they would like to expand. Hence, I would argue for the following:
a) To establish 150 as the provisional ceiling for Wikimedia movement organizations. This is Dunbar’s number, and it has been used (sometimes intentionally, sometimes organically) as a limiting number for religious groups, military companies, corporate divisions, tax offices, and other human endeavors. [3][4] This is very specifically because it makes organizational units more manageable and understandable for those who work there.
b) To slowly, gradually identify parts of the WMF which would benefit from being spun off into independent organizations, and to launch such spin-offs, narrowing WMF's focus in the process.
c) To aim to more clearly separate funding and evaluation responsibilities from programmatic work within the movement -- whether that work is keeping websites running, building software, or doing GLAM work.
Note that I'm not proposing a quick splintering, but rather a slow and gradual process with lots of opportunity to course-correct.
More on these points below.
== Potential test case: MediaWiki Foundation ==
A "MediaWiki Foundation" [5] has been proposed a few times and I suspect continues to have some currency within WMF. This org would not be focused on all WMF-related development work, but specifically on MediaWiki as software that has value to third parties. Its mission could include hosting services as earned income (and potentially as an extension of the Wikimedia movement’s mission).
MediaWiki is used today by numerous nonprofit and educational projects that are aligned even with a narrow view on Wikimedia’s mission. Examples include Appropedia, OpenWetWare, WikiEducator, W3C’s WebPlatform, Hesperian Health Guides, and too many notable open source projects to list.
Among commercial users, it has lost much ground to other software like Confluence, but it remains, in my view, the most viable platform for large, open, collaborative communities. Yet it’s a poorly supported option: many of the above wikis are outdated, and maintaining a MediaWiki install is generally more work than it needs to be.
Building a healthy third party ecosystem will have obvious benefits for the world, and for existing Wikimedia work as well. It may also create a proving ground for experimental technology.
Which work that WMF is currently doing would be part of an MWF’s mandate? I don’t know; I could imagine that it could include aspects like Vagrant, or even shared responsibility for MediaWiki core and MW’s architecture.
== The Wiki Education Foundation precedent ==
It’s worth noting that this spin-off model has been tried once before. The Wiki Education Foundation is an example of an organization that was created by volunteers doing work in this programmatic space in partnership with staff of the Education Program at WMF, who left to join the new org. It is now financially independent, building its own relationships with funders that WMF has never worked with, and achieving impact at unprecedented scale.
LiAnna Davis, who is today the Director of Program Support at Wiki Ed, wrote a detailed response to William’s blog post, which I think is worth quoting in full [1]:
----begin quote---- I worked for the WMF for nearly four years and have worked for the spun-off Wiki Education Foundation for the last two, and I strongly support the idea of spinning off more parts of WMF into independent nonprofits like ours.
As you noted, Wiki Ed is a test case for your proposal, so for readers who don’t know our history: We started in 2010 as a pilot program (called the Public Policy Initiative) within WMF, funded by a restricted grant, to support university professors in the U.S. who wanted to assign their students to edit Wikipedia as a class assignment. The pilot showed the idea was successful, and so we started piloting it in countries as part of the Catalyst project (Arab World, Brazil, and India).
The U.S. program had lingered at WMF without any real organizational support because the U.S. wasn’t a target region. WMF leadership saw its potential, however, and formed a volunteer Working Group of Wikipedians and academics who created the structure of the organization that became the Wiki Education Foundation in 2013. WMF gave us a small start-up grant to get us going, and provided fiscal sponsorship for us until our 501(c)3 status came through (and we could fundraise on our own).
Today, we’re an independent organization, not funded by WMF, and we’ve scaled the impact of our programs incredibly. We’re supporting three times as many students, we’ve developed our own technology to support our programmatic work, and our students are busy addressing content gaps in academic areas on Wikipedia.
So why are we so successful? There are a lot of factors, but there’s one I want to highlight here, because I think it’s a clear difference between when we were at WMF and our current work at Wiki Ed. We have one, very clear mission: We create mutually beneficial ties between Wikipedia and academia in the U.S. and Canada.
The WMF mission is inspiring — but it’s really broad, just like our movement is. When we were doing this same project at WMF, I’d struggle to just focus on the Education Program and ignore the rest of the mission. Whenever I interacted with people outside the foundation (and I did so a lot), people would come to me with ideas to further WMF’s mission that weren’t in my program’s boundaries. I’d spend time trying to help, because I believed in the mission and wanted to help it along. I’m not the only one: I would see this idealism and commitment to the mission repeatedly among my colleagues at WMF. I still see it from the current WMF staff. They’re all there because they believe in the mission. They want to help, and it’s really hard to not try to help with everything, because you can see so many different facets of helping that mission.
Essentially, with a mission as broad as WMF’s, it’s hard for staff to keep a narrow focus. *Everything* can seem mission-related. When your mission is as narrow as Wiki Ed’s, it’s easier to find your focus and keep your attention on developing one area well. This is a key strength of independent organizations — independent, narrower missions keep staff focused and more productive on achieving their small part of the overall Wikimedia mission.
I strongly support more discussion about spinning off other parts of WMF into independent organizations. ----end quote----
== A "Movement Association"? ==
A more radical suggestion would be to spin off work on grantmaking and evaluation. This isn’t trivial -- there are legitimate arguments to keep this work close to other community-facing work WMF is doing. But there are undeniable benefits in greater separation.
When it comes to large annual plan grants, much has been done to ensure that the FDC can operate as an independent body and evaluate each plan on its merits. Ultimately, however, the decision rests with the WMF, which has a much better understanding of its own programs (through the direct relationship with its ED) than of those of affiliates.
Similarly, while WMF has done a fair bit to provide self-service evaluation tools to the movement at large, it’s not clear that its work is always held to the same standard as everyone else’s. A WMF grantee must very publicly report results and success metrics; WMF attempts to do so as a matter of course, but it is not accountable to another organization for failing to do so.
Finally, as was discussed here a lot in recent weeks, WMF itself has no clear accountability to the movement. The Board elections are advisory in nature. There is no membership. Non-elected seats are filled by the Board with little visibility. There is a semi-permanent "Founder’s Seat".
If grantmaking and evaluation responsibilities were increasingly shifted to a "Wikimedia Movement Association", this could gradually allow for true accountability to the movement in the form of membership and democratic, movement-wide decisions to make funding allocations on the basis of evaluation reports (through committees or otherwise).
This may also make the endowment a more compelling proposition than it is today. Yes, keeping Wikimedia’s sites operational indefinitely is a very worthwhile goal. But what if the endowment ultimately also helped to support global, federated work towards Wikimedia’s vision? What if all affiliates -- indeed the whole movement -- were excited and motivated to help grow it?
== Where to go from here? ==
There are lots of open questions in all of this. Should all site-wide fundraising remain inside WMF, for example, with funds being transferred to a movement entity? What’s the dividing line between "development for third parties" (MWF) and "development for Wikimedia" (WMF)? How would staff transition to new organizations? Where should those organizations be based? Should they be distributed, have offices?
An important thing to remember here (a lesson I’ve had to learn painfully) is that big changes are best made in small steps, with room for trial and error.
Implementing this strategy is, I think, a matter of first committing to it as an idea, and then creating coherent proposals for each step, publicly with broad input. First, if there is support for the general idea, I would recommend kicking it around: Are these the right kinds of spin-offs? What are the risks and how should existing affiliates be involved in the process? And so on.
The fact that WMF has just experienced a major organizational crisis should not itself fill us with pessimism and despair. But we also shouldn’t ignore it. We must learn from it and do what reason tells us -- and in my view that is to build a more resilient _federation_ of organizations than what we have today.
Warmly,
Erik
== Notes ==
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2016-03-09/Op-ed
[2] https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Template:STAFF-COUNT
[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunbar%27s_number
[4] http://www.bloomberg.com/bw/articles/2013-01-10/the-dunbar-number-from-the-g...
[5] Our branding is confusing beyond repair. I don't think there's an easy fix here, and we should just embrace our nutty nomenclature (Wikimedia/MediaWiki/Wikipedia) at this point.
I agree that these options should be explored. I'm wondering what the best way would be to facilitate this conversation.
Perhaps, Erik, would you be willing to set up a page on Meta for discussion?
Also, I think it would be good to have an office hour, or more likely a series of office hours over the next many months, to discuss this.
On the WMF side, I'm wondering how this would fit into their annual planning. Their plan is supposed to be published on April 1. This discussion will need resources from WMF's end in the form of staff time, including Katherine's, as well as Board time. The required investment in the short term will be modest, but cumulatively through the year it may be significant, particularly if the discussions get momentum. So I'm wondering how, at this point, it would be possible to take these discussions into account in the WMF AP.
For the affiliates and possible new WMF spinoffs, I imagine that there may be some requests for project grants to support both the discussions about spinoffs as well as initial support for orgs when they leave, similar to how Wiki Ed's departure worked. My guess is that Katy will want to have this on her radar.
This series of operations, while complicated, may yield a more resilient movement in the end, possibly with more combined funding, more accountability and transparency, and more credibility.
Pine
On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 7:22 PM, Erik Moeller eloquence@gmail.com wrote:
Hi folks,
Now that the dust has settled a bit, I would like to expand on an idea that’s been touched on a few times (most recently, in an editorial by William Beutler [1]): the notion that WMF might be a more effective organization if it limited its own size in favor of focused spin-off organizations and affiliates.
I was very much part of building the current WMF in terms of both size and structure, but I also think recent events underscore the fragility of the current model. WMF is still tiny compared with other tech companies that operate popular websites, but it’s a vast organization by Wikimedia movement standards. With nearly 300 staff [2] (beyond even our ambitious 2015 strategic plan staffing numbers), it dwarfs any other movement org.
I can see three potential benefits from a more federated model:
- Resilience. If any one organization experiences a crisis, other
independent organizations suffer to a lesser degree than departments within that organization.
- Focus. Wikimedia’s mission is very broad, and an organization with
a clearly defined mandate is less likely to be pulled in many different directions -- at every level.
- Accountability. Within a less centralized federation, it is easier
to ensure that funding flows to those who do work the movement wants them to do.
My experience is that growth tends to be self-reinforcing in budgetary processes if there are now clear ceilings established. I think that’s true in almost any organization. There’s always lots of work to do, and new teams will discover new gaps and areas into which they would like to expand. Hence, I would argue for the following:
a) To establish 150 as the provisional ceiling for Wikimedia movement organizations. This is Dunbar’s number, and it has been used (sometimes intentionally, sometimes organically) as a limiting number for religious groups, military companies, corporate divisions, tax offices, and other human endeavors. [3][4] This is very specifically because it makes organizational units more manageable and understandable for those who work there.
b) To slowly, gradually identify parts of the WMF which would benefit from being spun off into independent organizations, and to launch such spin-offs, narrowing WMF's focus in the process.
c) To aim to more clearly separate funding and evaluation responsibilities from programmatic work within the movement -- whether that work is keeping websites running, building software, or doing GLAM work.
Note that I'm not proposing a quick splintering, but rather a slow and gradual process with lots of opportunity to course-correct.
More on these points below.
== Potential test case: MediaWiki Foundation ==
A "MediaWiki Foundation" [5] has been proposed a few times and I suspect continues to have some currency within WMF. This org would not be focused on all WMF-related development work, but specifically on MediaWiki as software that has value to third parties. Its mission could include hosting services as earned income (and potentially as an extension of the Wikimedia movement’s mission).
MediaWiki is used today by numerous nonprofit and educational projects that are aligned even with a narrow view on Wikimedia’s mission. Examples include Appropedia, OpenWetWare, WikiEducator, W3C’s WebPlatform, Hesperian Health Guides, and too many notable open source projects to list.
Among commercial users, it has lost much ground to other software like Confluence, but it remains, in my view, the most viable platform for large, open, collaborative communities. Yet it’s a poorly supported option: many of the above wikis are outdated, and maintaining a MediaWiki install is generally more work than it needs to be.
Building a healthy third party ecosystem will have obvious benefits for the world, and for existing Wikimedia work as well. It may also create a proving ground for experimental technology.
Which work that WMF is currently doing would be part of an MWF’s mandate? I don’t know; I could imagine that it could include aspects like Vagrant, or even shared responsibility for MediaWiki core and MW’s architecture.
== The Wiki Education Foundation precedent ==
It’s worth noting that this spin-off model has been tried once before. The Wiki Education Foundation is an example of an organization that was created by volunteers doing work in this programmatic space in partnership with staff of the Education Program at WMF, who left to join the new org. It is now financially independent, building its own relationships with funders that WMF has never worked with, and achieving impact at unprecedented scale.
LiAnna Davis, who is today the Director of Program Support at Wiki Ed, wrote a detailed response to William’s blog post, which I think is worth quoting in full [1]:
----begin quote---- I worked for the WMF for nearly four years and have worked for the spun-off Wiki Education Foundation for the last two, and I strongly support the idea of spinning off more parts of WMF into independent nonprofits like ours.
As you noted, Wiki Ed is a test case for your proposal, so for readers who don’t know our history: We started in 2010 as a pilot program (called the Public Policy Initiative) within WMF, funded by a restricted grant, to support university professors in the U.S. who wanted to assign their students to edit Wikipedia as a class assignment. The pilot showed the idea was successful, and so we started piloting it in countries as part of the Catalyst project (Arab World, Brazil, and India).
The U.S. program had lingered at WMF without any real organizational support because the U.S. wasn’t a target region. WMF leadership saw its potential, however, and formed a volunteer Working Group of Wikipedians and academics who created the structure of the organization that became the Wiki Education Foundation in 2013. WMF gave us a small start-up grant to get us going, and provided fiscal sponsorship for us until our 501(c)3 status came through (and we could fundraise on our own).
Today, we’re an independent organization, not funded by WMF, and we’ve scaled the impact of our programs incredibly. We’re supporting three times as many students, we’ve developed our own technology to support our programmatic work, and our students are busy addressing content gaps in academic areas on Wikipedia.
So why are we so successful? There are a lot of factors, but there’s one I want to highlight here, because I think it’s a clear difference between when we were at WMF and our current work at Wiki Ed. We have one, very clear mission: We create mutually beneficial ties between Wikipedia and academia in the U.S. and Canada.
The WMF mission is inspiring — but it’s really broad, just like our movement is. When we were doing this same project at WMF, I’d struggle to just focus on the Education Program and ignore the rest of the mission. Whenever I interacted with people outside the foundation (and I did so a lot), people would come to me with ideas to further WMF’s mission that weren’t in my program’s boundaries. I’d spend time trying to help, because I believed in the mission and wanted to help it along. I’m not the only one: I would see this idealism and commitment to the mission repeatedly among my colleagues at WMF. I still see it from the current WMF staff. They’re all there because they believe in the mission. They want to help, and it’s really hard to not try to help with everything, because you can see so many different facets of helping that mission.
Essentially, with a mission as broad as WMF’s, it’s hard for staff to keep a narrow focus. *Everything* can seem mission-related. When your mission is as narrow as Wiki Ed’s, it’s easier to find your focus and keep your attention on developing one area well. This is a key strength of independent organizations — independent, narrower missions keep staff focused and more productive on achieving their small part of the overall Wikimedia mission.
I strongly support more discussion about spinning off other parts of WMF into independent organizations. ----end quote----
== A "Movement Association"? ==
A more radical suggestion would be to spin off work on grantmaking and evaluation. This isn’t trivial -- there are legitimate arguments to keep this work close to other community-facing work WMF is doing. But there are undeniable benefits in greater separation.
When it comes to large annual plan grants, much has been done to ensure that the FDC can operate as an independent body and evaluate each plan on its merits. Ultimately, however, the decision rests with the WMF, which has a much better understanding of its own programs (through the direct relationship with its ED) than of those of affiliates.
Similarly, while WMF has done a fair bit to provide self-service evaluation tools to the movement at large, it’s not clear that its work is always held to the same standard as everyone else’s. A WMF grantee must very publicly report results and success metrics; WMF attempts to do so as a matter of course, but it is not accountable to another organization for failing to do so.
Finally, as was discussed here a lot in recent weeks, WMF itself has no clear accountability to the movement. The Board elections are advisory in nature. There is no membership. Non-elected seats are filled by the Board with little visibility. There is a semi-permanent "Founder’s Seat".
If grantmaking and evaluation responsibilities were increasingly shifted to a "Wikimedia Movement Association", this could gradually allow for true accountability to the movement in the form of membership and democratic, movement-wide decisions to make funding allocations on the basis of evaluation reports (through committees or otherwise).
This may also make the endowment a more compelling proposition than it is today. Yes, keeping Wikimedia’s sites operational indefinitely is a very worthwhile goal. But what if the endowment ultimately also helped to support global, federated work towards Wikimedia’s vision? What if all affiliates -- indeed the whole movement -- were excited and motivated to help grow it?
== Where to go from here? ==
There are lots of open questions in all of this. Should all site-wide fundraising remain inside WMF, for example, with funds being transferred to a movement entity? What’s the dividing line between "development for third parties" (MWF) and "development for Wikimedia" (WMF)? How would staff transition to new organizations? Where should those organizations be based? Should they be distributed, have offices?
An important thing to remember here (a lesson I’ve had to learn painfully) is that big changes are best made in small steps, with room for trial and error.
Implementing this strategy is, I think, a matter of first committing to it as an idea, and then creating coherent proposals for each step, publicly with broad input. First, if there is support for the general idea, I would recommend kicking it around: Are these the right kinds of spin-offs? What are the risks and how should existing affiliates be involved in the process? And so on.
The fact that WMF has just experienced a major organizational crisis should not itself fill us with pessimism and despair. But we also shouldn’t ignore it. We must learn from it and do what reason tells us -- and in my view that is to build a more resilient _federation_ of organizations than what we have today.
Warmly,
Erik
== Notes ==
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2016-03-09/Op-ed
[2] https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Template:STAFF-COUNT
[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunbar%27s_number
[4] http://www.bloomberg.com/bw/articles/2013-01-10/the-dunbar-number-from-the-g...
[5] Our branding is confusing beyond repair. I don't think there's an easy fix here, and we should just embrace our nutty nomenclature (Wikimedia/MediaWiki/Wikipedia) at this point.
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2016-03-17 22:54 GMT-07:00 Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com:
I agree that these options should be explored. I'm wondering what the best way would be to facilitate this conversation.
Perhaps, Erik, would you be willing to set up a page on Meta for discussion?
Hi Pine,
Thanks for the comments! I wanted to start here to get a sense if people are supportive of the idea(s) in general. In my experience a listserv is good for kicking things around a bit before getting too emotionally invested. ;-) And this list has a good cross-set of folks with different backgrounds including WMF and affiliates. If there's a general sense that this is worth exploring further, then I'd be more than happy to help organize pages on Meta, e.g. to think about specific spin-offs like the MediaWiki Foundation (if there isn't already an extant proposal for it).
On the WMF side, I'm wondering how this would fit into their annual planning. Their plan is supposed to be published on April 1. This discussion will need resources from WMF's end in the form of staff time, including Katherine's, as well as Board time. The required investment in the short term will be modest, but cumulatively through the year it may be significant, particularly if the discussions get momentum. So I'm wondering how, at this point, it would be possible to take these discussions into account in the WMF AP.
Unless WMF plans to dramatically expand in the next fiscal (which I doubt), I think this discussion can and needs to happen on its own timeline. I expect that if WMF suggests to depart a bit from what's written into a one-year plan, with good reasons, the institutions of the movement will have the flexibility to accommodate that.
I also understand WMF folks are very busy with the plan right now, and I don't think there's special urgency to this conversation, which is one with lots of long term implications. I do hope folks have a chance to weigh in, but if that happens over the course of few weeks/months in different venues, I personally think that's fine.
This series of operations, while complicated, may yield a more resilient movement in the end, possibly with more combined funding, more accountability and transparency, and more credibility.
Yes, I hope so. :) But let's take it slowly and poke at this from different angles to see if it makes sense.
Warmly,
Erik
On 2016-03-18 07:56, Erik Moeller wrote:
2016-03-17 22:54 GMT-07:00 Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com:
I agree that these options should be explored. I'm wondering what the best way would be to facilitate this conversation.
Perhaps, Erik, would you be willing to set up a page on Meta for discussion?
Hi Pine,
Thanks for the comments! I wanted to start here to get a sense if people are supportive of the idea(s) in general.
I am not sure about support, but this is a sensible idea to be discussed in a format different from the mailing list. Thanks Erik for bringing this up.
Cheers Yaroslav
I think these are interesting discussions. My first feedback -
Let's get as granular as possible about describing activities undertaken now. Leave out the "by who" and org structure for the moment.
For example, I can even see five tech organization activities. Internal IT, website ops, back end dev, UI dev, and tools.
For every activity we need to understand who the customer(s) are. Is that "the reader", "free information concept globally", "the editor", "the foundation organization(s)", "researchers", "the board", "large benefactors/donors", "global movement", etc. This is not complete, please add to it.
Customer focus is where we understand all the roles and customers, and align organizationally so that orgs or sub orgs have as good a focus on a smaller customer set and roles set as possible.
George William Herbert Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 17, 2016, at 11:56 PM, Erik Moeller eloquence@gmail.com wrote:
2016-03-17 22:54 GMT-07:00 Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com:
I agree that these options should be explored. I'm wondering what the best way would be to facilitate this conversation.
Perhaps, Erik, would you be willing to set up a page on Meta for discussion?
Hi Pine,
Thanks for the comments! I wanted to start here to get a sense if people are supportive of the idea(s) in general. In my experience a listserv is good for kicking things around a bit before getting too emotionally invested. ;-) And this list has a good cross-set of folks with different backgrounds including WMF and affiliates. If there's a general sense that this is worth exploring further, then I'd be more than happy to help organize pages on Meta, e.g. to think about specific spin-offs like the MediaWiki Foundation (if there isn't already an extant proposal for it).
On the WMF side, I'm wondering how this would fit into their annual planning. Their plan is supposed to be published on April 1. This discussion will need resources from WMF's end in the form of staff time, including Katherine's, as well as Board time. The required investment in the short term will be modest, but cumulatively through the year it may be significant, particularly if the discussions get momentum. So I'm wondering how, at this point, it would be possible to take these discussions into account in the WMF AP.
Unless WMF plans to dramatically expand in the next fiscal (which I doubt), I think this discussion can and needs to happen on its own timeline. I expect that if WMF suggests to depart a bit from what's written into a one-year plan, with good reasons, the institutions of the movement will have the flexibility to accommodate that.
I also understand WMF folks are very busy with the plan right now, and I don't think there's special urgency to this conversation, which is one with lots of long term implications. I do hope folks have a chance to weigh in, but if that happens over the course of few weeks/months in different venues, I personally think that's fine.
This series of operations, while complicated, may yield a more resilient movement in the end, possibly with more combined funding, more accountability and transparency, and more credibility.
Yes, I hope so. :) But let's take it slowly and poke at this from different angles to see if it makes sense.
Warmly,
Erik
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Hi Erik,
thanks for your post, I was thinking of bringing this up as I was part of that very discussion in August / September 2011 when the Wikimedia overall governance model was discussed.
The idea that cristalized back then and which I still find very appealing was to split today's WMF into these bodies - I am making some adjustments here, as bodies like FDC didn't exist back then:
* Wikimedia Tech: runs the servers, does the development - gets funded from the global funds pool (today that would be FDC)
* Wikimedia Fundraising: does the fundraising and distributes the funds, has the FDC staff / grant making team
* Wikimedia Foundation: more like a US chapter, does the content and lobby work, holds the trademarks
You could even argue to move out the trademarks etc. to another body which does nothing more than keeping those secure and maybe being home of the endowment.
Regards,
Manuel
Hoi, Organising our movement in the format of a federation will not necessarily do what you describe. As you assume that money flows to the places where money is spend, you will not have a federation. A federation is based on equal terms and when money is what keeps everone in line it is not a federation of equals.
When you carve our movement up in parts, it becomes impossible to impose much of what needs to be imposed. New functionality in software is badly needed in places, a discussion on quality does not happen because it clashes with vested interests. The negative impact of the community on innovation is real and when one community gains even more power because of the proposed fragmentation, I doubt if we will ever have this conversation and many others that do not happen.
In a federation, it becomes easier to know who is local. I know the Dutch chapter, they know me and there is not the same fuss for getting a project under way. No committees, just a good common understanding what it is that is proposed and why is sufficient. It is what makes a federation agile. It is for the professionals in the chapter (or the people who volunteer to do this) to be involved in the gruelling aspects of this kind of headache. <grin> translatewiki.net does not fit in any model and why should it? </grin>
When you federate, you will have to do something about fund-raising and fund dissemination. They are two sides to a coin. The problem is very much that we are an internet community and many of the activities have a global scope. I mention Wikimedia Germany and Wikidata, Wikimedia (Scandinavia they work together) and mapping.. the list goes on. When such projects can have a place in a federated model than good but the problems are rife. How for instance do people in India pick up on Maps for instance and outgrow what happens in Scandinavia?? Arguably this is a non-issue when we collaborate but the organisation, funding is often not agile enough to cope.
This idea of federation very much needs a lot of "tire kicking". Even when nothing comes of it, it helps us understand what it is we do and are. We are a movement, not a foundation. The layers of the movement are easily forgotten and they operate best when people have good working relations. I do think that the notion of "150" has its point but given the scope of what we do (it is not convenient to note more than 150 Wikipedias, more than 150 countries..) We have to be clever about this. It is what makes Wikimania so powerful, it brings us all together and work on our mutual relations. After all, you never know what relations you need when. Thanks, GerardM
On 18 March 2016 at 03:22, Erik Moeller eloquence@gmail.com wrote:
Hi folks,
Now that the dust has settled a bit, I would like to expand on an idea that’s been touched on a few times (most recently, in an editorial by William Beutler [1]): the notion that WMF might be a more effective organization if it limited its own size in favor of focused spin-off organizations and affiliates.
I was very much part of building the current WMF in terms of both size and structure, but I also think recent events underscore the fragility of the current model. WMF is still tiny compared with other tech companies that operate popular websites, but it’s a vast organization by Wikimedia movement standards. With nearly 300 staff [2] (beyond even our ambitious 2015 strategic plan staffing numbers), it dwarfs any other movement org.
I can see three potential benefits from a more federated model:
- Resilience. If any one organization experiences a crisis, other
independent organizations suffer to a lesser degree than departments within that organization.
- Focus. Wikimedia’s mission is very broad, and an organization with
a clearly defined mandate is less likely to be pulled in many different directions -- at every level.
- Accountability. Within a less centralized federation, it is easier
to ensure that funding flows to those who do work the movement wants them to do.
My experience is that growth tends to be self-reinforcing in budgetary processes if there are now clear ceilings established. I think that’s true in almost any organization. There’s always lots of work to do, and new teams will discover new gaps and areas into which they would like to expand. Hence, I would argue for the following:
a) To establish 150 as the provisional ceiling for Wikimedia movement organizations. This is Dunbar’s number, and it has been used (sometimes intentionally, sometimes organically) as a limiting number for religious groups, military companies, corporate divisions, tax offices, and other human endeavors. [3][4] This is very specifically because it makes organizational units more manageable and understandable for those who work there.
b) To slowly, gradually identify parts of the WMF which would benefit from being spun off into independent organizations, and to launch such spin-offs, narrowing WMF's focus in the process.
c) To aim to more clearly separate funding and evaluation responsibilities from programmatic work within the movement -- whether that work is keeping websites running, building software, or doing GLAM work.
Note that I'm not proposing a quick splintering, but rather a slow and gradual process with lots of opportunity to course-correct.
More on these points below.
== Potential test case: MediaWiki Foundation ==
A "MediaWiki Foundation" [5] has been proposed a few times and I suspect continues to have some currency within WMF. This org would not be focused on all WMF-related development work, but specifically on MediaWiki as software that has value to third parties. Its mission could include hosting services as earned income (and potentially as an extension of the Wikimedia movement’s mission).
MediaWiki is used today by numerous nonprofit and educational projects that are aligned even with a narrow view on Wikimedia’s mission. Examples include Appropedia, OpenWetWare, WikiEducator, W3C’s WebPlatform, Hesperian Health Guides, and too many notable open source projects to list.
Among commercial users, it has lost much ground to other software like Confluence, but it remains, in my view, the most viable platform for large, open, collaborative communities. Yet it’s a poorly supported option: many of the above wikis are outdated, and maintaining a MediaWiki install is generally more work than it needs to be.
Building a healthy third party ecosystem will have obvious benefits for the world, and for existing Wikimedia work as well. It may also create a proving ground for experimental technology.
Which work that WMF is currently doing would be part of an MWF’s mandate? I don’t know; I could imagine that it could include aspects like Vagrant, or even shared responsibility for MediaWiki core and MW’s architecture.
== The Wiki Education Foundation precedent ==
It’s worth noting that this spin-off model has been tried once before. The Wiki Education Foundation is an example of an organization that was created by volunteers doing work in this programmatic space in partnership with staff of the Education Program at WMF, who left to join the new org. It is now financially independent, building its own relationships with funders that WMF has never worked with, and achieving impact at unprecedented scale.
LiAnna Davis, who is today the Director of Program Support at Wiki Ed, wrote a detailed response to William’s blog post, which I think is worth quoting in full [1]:
----begin quote---- I worked for the WMF for nearly four years and have worked for the spun-off Wiki Education Foundation for the last two, and I strongly support the idea of spinning off more parts of WMF into independent nonprofits like ours.
As you noted, Wiki Ed is a test case for your proposal, so for readers who don’t know our history: We started in 2010 as a pilot program (called the Public Policy Initiative) within WMF, funded by a restricted grant, to support university professors in the U.S. who wanted to assign their students to edit Wikipedia as a class assignment. The pilot showed the idea was successful, and so we started piloting it in countries as part of the Catalyst project (Arab World, Brazil, and India).
The U.S. program had lingered at WMF without any real organizational support because the U.S. wasn’t a target region. WMF leadership saw its potential, however, and formed a volunteer Working Group of Wikipedians and academics who created the structure of the organization that became the Wiki Education Foundation in 2013. WMF gave us a small start-up grant to get us going, and provided fiscal sponsorship for us until our 501(c)3 status came through (and we could fundraise on our own).
Today, we’re an independent organization, not funded by WMF, and we’ve scaled the impact of our programs incredibly. We’re supporting three times as many students, we’ve developed our own technology to support our programmatic work, and our students are busy addressing content gaps in academic areas on Wikipedia.
So why are we so successful? There are a lot of factors, but there’s one I want to highlight here, because I think it’s a clear difference between when we were at WMF and our current work at Wiki Ed. We have one, very clear mission: We create mutually beneficial ties between Wikipedia and academia in the U.S. and Canada.
The WMF mission is inspiring — but it’s really broad, just like our movement is. When we were doing this same project at WMF, I’d struggle to just focus on the Education Program and ignore the rest of the mission. Whenever I interacted with people outside the foundation (and I did so a lot), people would come to me with ideas to further WMF’s mission that weren’t in my program’s boundaries. I’d spend time trying to help, because I believed in the mission and wanted to help it along. I’m not the only one: I would see this idealism and commitment to the mission repeatedly among my colleagues at WMF. I still see it from the current WMF staff. They’re all there because they believe in the mission. They want to help, and it’s really hard to not try to help with everything, because you can see so many different facets of helping that mission.
Essentially, with a mission as broad as WMF’s, it’s hard for staff to keep a narrow focus. *Everything* can seem mission-related. When your mission is as narrow as Wiki Ed’s, it’s easier to find your focus and keep your attention on developing one area well. This is a key strength of independent organizations — independent, narrower missions keep staff focused and more productive on achieving their small part of the overall Wikimedia mission.
I strongly support more discussion about spinning off other parts of WMF into independent organizations. ----end quote----
== A "Movement Association"? ==
A more radical suggestion would be to spin off work on grantmaking and evaluation. This isn’t trivial -- there are legitimate arguments to keep this work close to other community-facing work WMF is doing. But there are undeniable benefits in greater separation.
When it comes to large annual plan grants, much has been done to ensure that the FDC can operate as an independent body and evaluate each plan on its merits. Ultimately, however, the decision rests with the WMF, which has a much better understanding of its own programs (through the direct relationship with its ED) than of those of affiliates.
Similarly, while WMF has done a fair bit to provide self-service evaluation tools to the movement at large, it’s not clear that its work is always held to the same standard as everyone else’s. A WMF grantee must very publicly report results and success metrics; WMF attempts to do so as a matter of course, but it is not accountable to another organization for failing to do so.
Finally, as was discussed here a lot in recent weeks, WMF itself has no clear accountability to the movement. The Board elections are advisory in nature. There is no membership. Non-elected seats are filled by the Board with little visibility. There is a semi-permanent "Founder’s Seat".
If grantmaking and evaluation responsibilities were increasingly shifted to a "Wikimedia Movement Association", this could gradually allow for true accountability to the movement in the form of membership and democratic, movement-wide decisions to make funding allocations on the basis of evaluation reports (through committees or otherwise).
This may also make the endowment a more compelling proposition than it is today. Yes, keeping Wikimedia’s sites operational indefinitely is a very worthwhile goal. But what if the endowment ultimately also helped to support global, federated work towards Wikimedia’s vision? What if all affiliates -- indeed the whole movement -- were excited and motivated to help grow it?
== Where to go from here? ==
There are lots of open questions in all of this. Should all site-wide fundraising remain inside WMF, for example, with funds being transferred to a movement entity? What’s the dividing line between "development for third parties" (MWF) and "development for Wikimedia" (WMF)? How would staff transition to new organizations? Where should those organizations be based? Should they be distributed, have offices?
An important thing to remember here (a lesson I’ve had to learn painfully) is that big changes are best made in small steps, with room for trial and error.
Implementing this strategy is, I think, a matter of first committing to it as an idea, and then creating coherent proposals for each step, publicly with broad input. First, if there is support for the general idea, I would recommend kicking it around: Are these the right kinds of spin-offs? What are the risks and how should existing affiliates be involved in the process? And so on.
The fact that WMF has just experienced a major organizational crisis should not itself fill us with pessimism and despair. But we also shouldn’t ignore it. We must learn from it and do what reason tells us -- and in my view that is to build a more resilient _federation_ of organizations than what we have today.
Warmly,
Erik
== Notes ==
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2016-03-09/Op-ed
[2] https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Template:STAFF-COUNT
[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunbar%27s_number
[4] http://www.bloomberg.com/bw/articles/2013-01-10/the-dunbar-number-from-the-g...
[5] Our branding is confusing beyond repair. I don't think there's an easy fix here, and we should just embrace our nutty nomenclature (Wikimedia/MediaWiki/Wikipedia) at this point.
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Hello Erik, hello Gerard, hello all,
while Erik raised a very important topic and I will go into some of the aspects I agree with him later in this mail I want at first say that Gerard also mentioned some very important points that I strongly agree.
Splitting WMF has merits but also has disadvantages. Disadvantages could be, aside of what Gerard mentioned in his mail, duplicate or even tripplize organizational structures and overheads, more effort to coordinate, synchronize and more need for alignment. In most cases if commercial corperates split into many subsidiaries the reason for that is to create predetermined breaking points in anticipation of the possibility to sell part of the business areas in the future. This is not applicable for us.
That said, I agree with Erik that the current movement wide organizational structure is highly centralized. If we take the example of expenses as an indicator I scarcely see any organization (commercial or non-profit) who call themselves a world-wide operating organization with such a centralization grade. The developments after the Haifa board meeting need reevaluation and eventually correction.
While in the past whenever in a chapter a crisis emerged the WMF may talk about organizational inmaturity, I find it a show of maturity and I see awefull reaction from the chapters stretching out helping hands. Yes I think we should reconsider if our movement organizational structure really reflect one of our values: decentralization. But maybe not an "easy" split the WMF.
best wishes Ting
Am 03/18/2016 um 12:43 PM schrieb Gerard Meijssen:
Hoi, Organising our movement in the format of a federation will not necessarily do what you describe. As you assume that money flows to the places where money is spend, you will not have a federation. A federation is based on equal terms and when money is what keeps everone in line it is not a federation of equals.
When you carve our movement up in parts, it becomes impossible to impose much of what needs to be imposed. New functionality in software is badly needed in places, a discussion on quality does not happen because it clashes with vested interests. The negative impact of the community on innovation is real and when one community gains even more power because of the proposed fragmentation, I doubt if we will ever have this conversation and many others that do not happen.
In a federation, it becomes easier to know who is local. I know the Dutch chapter, they know me and there is not the same fuss for getting a project under way. No committees, just a good common understanding what it is that is proposed and why is sufficient. It is what makes a federation agile. It is for the professionals in the chapter (or the people who volunteer to do this) to be involved in the gruelling aspects of this kind of headache. <grin> translatewiki.net does not fit in any model and why should it?
</grin>
When you federate, you will have to do something about fund-raising and fund dissemination. They are two sides to a coin. The problem is very much that we are an internet community and many of the activities have a global scope. I mention Wikimedia Germany and Wikidata, Wikimedia (Scandinavia they work together) and mapping.. the list goes on. When such projects can have a place in a federated model than good but the problems are rife. How for instance do people in India pick up on Maps for instance and outgrow what happens in Scandinavia?? Arguably this is a non-issue when we collaborate but the organisation, funding is often not agile enough to cope.
This idea of federation very much needs a lot of "tire kicking". Even when nothing comes of it, it helps us understand what it is we do and are. We are a movement, not a foundation. The layers of the movement are easily forgotten and they operate best when people have good working relations. I do think that the notion of "150" has its point but given the scope of what we do (it is not convenient to note more than 150 Wikipedias, more than 150 countries..) We have to be clever about this. It is what makes Wikimania so powerful, it brings us all together and work on our mutual relations. After all, you never know what relations you need when. Thanks, GerardM
On 18 March 2016 at 03:22, Erik Moeller eloquence@gmail.com wrote:
Hi folks,
Now that the dust has settled a bit, I would like to expand on an idea that’s been touched on a few times (most recently, in an editorial by William Beutler [1]): the notion that WMF might be a more effective organization if it limited its own size in favor of focused spin-off organizations and affiliates.
I was very much part of building the current WMF in terms of both size and structure, but I also think recent events underscore the fragility of the current model. WMF is still tiny compared with other tech companies that operate popular websites, but it’s a vast organization by Wikimedia movement standards. With nearly 300 staff [2] (beyond even our ambitious 2015 strategic plan staffing numbers), it dwarfs any other movement org.
I can see three potential benefits from a more federated model:
- Resilience. If any one organization experiences a crisis, other
independent organizations suffer to a lesser degree than departments within that organization.
- Focus. Wikimedia’s mission is very broad, and an organization with
a clearly defined mandate is less likely to be pulled in many different directions -- at every level.
- Accountability. Within a less centralized federation, it is easier
to ensure that funding flows to those who do work the movement wants them to do.
My experience is that growth tends to be self-reinforcing in budgetary processes if there are now clear ceilings established. I think that’s true in almost any organization. There’s always lots of work to do, and new teams will discover new gaps and areas into which they would like to expand. Hence, I would argue for the following:
a) To establish 150 as the provisional ceiling for Wikimedia movement organizations. This is Dunbar’s number, and it has been used (sometimes intentionally, sometimes organically) as a limiting number for religious groups, military companies, corporate divisions, tax offices, and other human endeavors. [3][4] This is very specifically because it makes organizational units more manageable and understandable for those who work there.
b) To slowly, gradually identify parts of the WMF which would benefit from being spun off into independent organizations, and to launch such spin-offs, narrowing WMF's focus in the process.
c) To aim to more clearly separate funding and evaluation responsibilities from programmatic work within the movement -- whether that work is keeping websites running, building software, or doing GLAM work.
Note that I'm not proposing a quick splintering, but rather a slow and gradual process with lots of opportunity to course-correct.
More on these points below.
== Potential test case: MediaWiki Foundation ==
A "MediaWiki Foundation" [5] has been proposed a few times and I suspect continues to have some currency within WMF. This org would not be focused on all WMF-related development work, but specifically on MediaWiki as software that has value to third parties. Its mission could include hosting services as earned income (and potentially as an extension of the Wikimedia movement’s mission).
MediaWiki is used today by numerous nonprofit and educational projects that are aligned even with a narrow view on Wikimedia’s mission. Examples include Appropedia, OpenWetWare, WikiEducator, W3C’s WebPlatform, Hesperian Health Guides, and too many notable open source projects to list.
Among commercial users, it has lost much ground to other software like Confluence, but it remains, in my view, the most viable platform for large, open, collaborative communities. Yet it’s a poorly supported option: many of the above wikis are outdated, and maintaining a MediaWiki install is generally more work than it needs to be.
Building a healthy third party ecosystem will have obvious benefits for the world, and for existing Wikimedia work as well. It may also create a proving ground for experimental technology.
Which work that WMF is currently doing would be part of an MWF’s mandate? I don’t know; I could imagine that it could include aspects like Vagrant, or even shared responsibility for MediaWiki core and MW’s architecture.
== The Wiki Education Foundation precedent ==
It’s worth noting that this spin-off model has been tried once before. The Wiki Education Foundation is an example of an organization that was created by volunteers doing work in this programmatic space in partnership with staff of the Education Program at WMF, who left to join the new org. It is now financially independent, building its own relationships with funders that WMF has never worked with, and achieving impact at unprecedented scale.
LiAnna Davis, who is today the Director of Program Support at Wiki Ed, wrote a detailed response to William’s blog post, which I think is worth quoting in full [1]:
----begin quote---- I worked for the WMF for nearly four years and have worked for the spun-off Wiki Education Foundation for the last two, and I strongly support the idea of spinning off more parts of WMF into independent nonprofits like ours.
As you noted, Wiki Ed is a test case for your proposal, so for readers who don’t know our history: We started in 2010 as a pilot program (called the Public Policy Initiative) within WMF, funded by a restricted grant, to support university professors in the U.S. who wanted to assign their students to edit Wikipedia as a class assignment. The pilot showed the idea was successful, and so we started piloting it in countries as part of the Catalyst project (Arab World, Brazil, and India).
The U.S. program had lingered at WMF without any real organizational support because the U.S. wasn’t a target region. WMF leadership saw its potential, however, and formed a volunteer Working Group of Wikipedians and academics who created the structure of the organization that became the Wiki Education Foundation in 2013. WMF gave us a small start-up grant to get us going, and provided fiscal sponsorship for us until our 501(c)3 status came through (and we could fundraise on our own).
Today, we’re an independent organization, not funded by WMF, and we’ve scaled the impact of our programs incredibly. We’re supporting three times as many students, we’ve developed our own technology to support our programmatic work, and our students are busy addressing content gaps in academic areas on Wikipedia.
So why are we so successful? There are a lot of factors, but there’s one I want to highlight here, because I think it’s a clear difference between when we were at WMF and our current work at Wiki Ed. We have one, very clear mission: We create mutually beneficial ties between Wikipedia and academia in the U.S. and Canada.
The WMF mission is inspiring — but it’s really broad, just like our movement is. When we were doing this same project at WMF, I’d struggle to just focus on the Education Program and ignore the rest of the mission. Whenever I interacted with people outside the foundation (and I did so a lot), people would come to me with ideas to further WMF’s mission that weren’t in my program’s boundaries. I’d spend time trying to help, because I believed in the mission and wanted to help it along. I’m not the only one: I would see this idealism and commitment to the mission repeatedly among my colleagues at WMF. I still see it from the current WMF staff. They’re all there because they believe in the mission. They want to help, and it’s really hard to not try to help with everything, because you can see so many different facets of helping that mission.
Essentially, with a mission as broad as WMF’s, it’s hard for staff to keep a narrow focus. *Everything* can seem mission-related. When your mission is as narrow as Wiki Ed’s, it’s easier to find your focus and keep your attention on developing one area well. This is a key strength of independent organizations — independent, narrower missions keep staff focused and more productive on achieving their small part of the overall Wikimedia mission.
I strongly support more discussion about spinning off other parts of WMF into independent organizations. ----end quote----
== A "Movement Association"? ==
A more radical suggestion would be to spin off work on grantmaking and evaluation. This isn’t trivial -- there are legitimate arguments to keep this work close to other community-facing work WMF is doing. But there are undeniable benefits in greater separation.
When it comes to large annual plan grants, much has been done to ensure that the FDC can operate as an independent body and evaluate each plan on its merits. Ultimately, however, the decision rests with the WMF, which has a much better understanding of its own programs (through the direct relationship with its ED) than of those of affiliates.
Similarly, while WMF has done a fair bit to provide self-service evaluation tools to the movement at large, it’s not clear that its work is always held to the same standard as everyone else’s. A WMF grantee must very publicly report results and success metrics; WMF attempts to do so as a matter of course, but it is not accountable to another organization for failing to do so.
Finally, as was discussed here a lot in recent weeks, WMF itself has no clear accountability to the movement. The Board elections are advisory in nature. There is no membership. Non-elected seats are filled by the Board with little visibility. There is a semi-permanent "Founder’s Seat".
If grantmaking and evaluation responsibilities were increasingly shifted to a "Wikimedia Movement Association", this could gradually allow for true accountability to the movement in the form of membership and democratic, movement-wide decisions to make funding allocations on the basis of evaluation reports (through committees or otherwise).
This may also make the endowment a more compelling proposition than it is today. Yes, keeping Wikimedia’s sites operational indefinitely is a very worthwhile goal. But what if the endowment ultimately also helped to support global, federated work towards Wikimedia’s vision? What if all affiliates -- indeed the whole movement -- were excited and motivated to help grow it?
== Where to go from here? ==
There are lots of open questions in all of this. Should all site-wide fundraising remain inside WMF, for example, with funds being transferred to a movement entity? What’s the dividing line between "development for third parties" (MWF) and "development for Wikimedia" (WMF)? How would staff transition to new organizations? Where should those organizations be based? Should they be distributed, have offices?
An important thing to remember here (a lesson I’ve had to learn painfully) is that big changes are best made in small steps, with room for trial and error.
Implementing this strategy is, I think, a matter of first committing to it as an idea, and then creating coherent proposals for each step, publicly with broad input. First, if there is support for the general idea, I would recommend kicking it around: Are these the right kinds of spin-offs? What are the risks and how should existing affiliates be involved in the process? And so on.
The fact that WMF has just experienced a major organizational crisis should not itself fill us with pessimism and despair. But we also shouldn’t ignore it. We must learn from it and do what reason tells us -- and in my view that is to build a more resilient _federation_ of organizations than what we have today.
Warmly,
Erik
== Notes ==
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2016-03-09/Op-ed
[2] https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Template:STAFF-COUNT
[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunbar%27s_number
[4] http://www.bloomberg.com/bw/articles/2013-01-10/the-dunbar-number-from-the-g...
[5] Our branding is confusing beyond repair. I don't think there's an easy fix here, and we should just embrace our nutty nomenclature (Wikimedia/MediaWiki/Wikipedia) at this point.
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Hello Erik,
I don't disagree with the premise of your argument that an alternative structure of the wikimedia movement would let some parts of the wikimedia movement grow stronger and more effective in delivering a focused impact.
There is no doubt that North America could be self sustaining (people and resources) with loads of thematic organizations, both affiliates and independent. The largest European Chapters would do fine.
The question is whether a Federation would actually strengthen the diversity of the wikimedia movement or would it weaken the global mission?
The important element is a body of people in the wikimedia movement who strongly embrace the diversity of the movement and make it the priority.
Currently there is weak support in the wikimedia movement for global alliances. But the ones that have happened have given the wikimedia movement a sense of unity. Like Wiki Loves Monuments and Art+Feminism.
Right now the central hub of the global movement is WMF. Despite other recent problems. The WMF is doing a great job of regularly communicating about the world wide movement.
There needs to be a successful transfer of the global mission to another body/bodies or there is the risk that local growth will be even more uneven than today.
Additionally, the core sense of a movement could be lost unless there is a strong shared vision. Volunteers and donors contribute to a greater movement because of the its mission.
So,a priority of a Federation would be to foster a strong shared mission.
Sydney
Sydney Poore User:FloNight Wikipedian in Residence at Cochrane Collaboration
On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 10:22 PM, Erik Moeller eloquence@gmail.com wrote:
Hi folks,
Now that the dust has settled a bit, I would like to expand on an idea that’s been touched on a few times (most recently, in an editorial by William Beutler [1]): the notion that WMF might be a more effective organization if it limited its own size in favor of focused spin-off organizations and affiliates.
I was very much part of building the current WMF in terms of both size and structure, but I also think recent events underscore the fragility of the current model. WMF is still tiny compared with other tech companies that operate popular websites, but it’s a vast organization by Wikimedia movement standards. With nearly 300 staff [2] (beyond even our ambitious 2015 strategic plan staffing numbers), it dwarfs any other movement org.
I can see three potential benefits from a more federated model:
- Resilience. If any one organization experiences a crisis, other
independent organizations suffer to a lesser degree than departments within that organization.
- Focus. Wikimedia’s mission is very broad, and an organization with
a clearly defined mandate is less likely to be pulled in many different directions -- at every level.
- Accountability. Within a less centralized federation, it is easier
to ensure that funding flows to those who do work the movement wants them to do.
My experience is that growth tends to be self-reinforcing in budgetary processes if there are now clear ceilings established. I think that’s true in almost any organization. There’s always lots of work to do, and new teams will discover new gaps and areas into which they would like to expand. Hence, I would argue for the following:
a) To establish 150 as the provisional ceiling for Wikimedia movement organizations. This is Dunbar’s number, and it has been used (sometimes intentionally, sometimes organically) as a limiting number for religious groups, military companies, corporate divisions, tax offices, and other human endeavors. [3][4] This is very specifically because it makes organizational units more manageable and understandable for those who work there.
b) To slowly, gradually identify parts of the WMF which would benefit from being spun off into independent organizations, and to launch such spin-offs, narrowing WMF's focus in the process.
c) To aim to more clearly separate funding and evaluation responsibilities from programmatic work within the movement -- whether that work is keeping websites running, building software, or doing GLAM work.
Note that I'm not proposing a quick splintering, but rather a slow and gradual process with lots of opportunity to course-correct.
More on these points below.
== Potential test case: MediaWiki Foundation ==
A "MediaWiki Foundation" [5] has been proposed a few times and I suspect continues to have some currency within WMF. This org would not be focused on all WMF-related development work, but specifically on MediaWiki as software that has value to third parties. Its mission could include hosting services as earned income (and potentially as an extension of the Wikimedia movement’s mission).
MediaWiki is used today by numerous nonprofit and educational projects that are aligned even with a narrow view on Wikimedia’s mission. Examples include Appropedia, OpenWetWare, WikiEducator, W3C’s WebPlatform, Hesperian Health Guides, and too many notable open source projects to list.
Among commercial users, it has lost much ground to other software like Confluence, but it remains, in my view, the most viable platform for large, open, collaborative communities. Yet it’s a poorly supported option: many of the above wikis are outdated, and maintaining a MediaWiki install is generally more work than it needs to be.
Building a healthy third party ecosystem will have obvious benefits for the world, and for existing Wikimedia work as well. It may also create a proving ground for experimental technology.
Which work that WMF is currently doing would be part of an MWF’s mandate? I don’t know; I could imagine that it could include aspects like Vagrant, or even shared responsibility for MediaWiki core and MW’s architecture.
== The Wiki Education Foundation precedent ==
It’s worth noting that this spin-off model has been tried once before. The Wiki Education Foundation is an example of an organization that was created by volunteers doing work in this programmatic space in partnership with staff of the Education Program at WMF, who left to join the new org. It is now financially independent, building its own relationships with funders that WMF has never worked with, and achieving impact at unprecedented scale.
LiAnna Davis, who is today the Director of Program Support at Wiki Ed, wrote a detailed response to William’s blog post, which I think is worth quoting in full [1]:
----begin quote---- I worked for the WMF for nearly four years and have worked for the spun-off Wiki Education Foundation for the last two, and I strongly support the idea of spinning off more parts of WMF into independent nonprofits like ours.
As you noted, Wiki Ed is a test case for your proposal, so for readers who don’t know our history: We started in 2010 as a pilot program (called the Public Policy Initiative) within WMF, funded by a restricted grant, to support university professors in the U.S. who wanted to assign their students to edit Wikipedia as a class assignment. The pilot showed the idea was successful, and so we started piloting it in countries as part of the Catalyst project (Arab World, Brazil, and India).
The U.S. program had lingered at WMF without any real organizational support because the U.S. wasn’t a target region. WMF leadership saw its potential, however, and formed a volunteer Working Group of Wikipedians and academics who created the structure of the organization that became the Wiki Education Foundation in 2013. WMF gave us a small start-up grant to get us going, and provided fiscal sponsorship for us until our 501(c)3 status came through (and we could fundraise on our own).
Today, we’re an independent organization, not funded by WMF, and we’ve scaled the impact of our programs incredibly. We’re supporting three times as many students, we’ve developed our own technology to support our programmatic work, and our students are busy addressing content gaps in academic areas on Wikipedia.
So why are we so successful? There are a lot of factors, but there’s one I want to highlight here, because I think it’s a clear difference between when we were at WMF and our current work at Wiki Ed. We have one, very clear mission: We create mutually beneficial ties between Wikipedia and academia in the U.S. and Canada.
The WMF mission is inspiring — but it’s really broad, just like our movement is. When we were doing this same project at WMF, I’d struggle to just focus on the Education Program and ignore the rest of the mission. Whenever I interacted with people outside the foundation (and I did so a lot), people would come to me with ideas to further WMF’s mission that weren’t in my program’s boundaries. I’d spend time trying to help, because I believed in the mission and wanted to help it along. I’m not the only one: I would see this idealism and commitment to the mission repeatedly among my colleagues at WMF. I still see it from the current WMF staff. They’re all there because they believe in the mission. They want to help, and it’s really hard to not try to help with everything, because you can see so many different facets of helping that mission.
Essentially, with a mission as broad as WMF’s, it’s hard for staff to keep a narrow focus. *Everything* can seem mission-related. When your mission is as narrow as Wiki Ed’s, it’s easier to find your focus and keep your attention on developing one area well. This is a key strength of independent organizations — independent, narrower missions keep staff focused and more productive on achieving their small part of the overall Wikimedia mission.
I strongly support more discussion about spinning off other parts of WMF into independent organizations. ----end quote----
== A "Movement Association"? ==
A more radical suggestion would be to spin off work on grantmaking and evaluation. This isn’t trivial -- there are legitimate arguments to keep this work close to other community-facing work WMF is doing. But there are undeniable benefits in greater separation.
When it comes to large annual plan grants, much has been done to ensure that the FDC can operate as an independent body and evaluate each plan on its merits. Ultimately, however, the decision rests with the WMF, which has a much better understanding of its own programs (through the direct relationship with its ED) than of those of affiliates.
Similarly, while WMF has done a fair bit to provide self-service evaluation tools to the movement at large, it’s not clear that its work is always held to the same standard as everyone else’s. A WMF grantee must very publicly report results and success metrics; WMF attempts to do so as a matter of course, but it is not accountable to another organization for failing to do so.
Finally, as was discussed here a lot in recent weeks, WMF itself has no clear accountability to the movement. The Board elections are advisory in nature. There is no membership. Non-elected seats are filled by the Board with little visibility. There is a semi-permanent "Founder’s Seat".
If grantmaking and evaluation responsibilities were increasingly shifted to a "Wikimedia Movement Association", this could gradually allow for true accountability to the movement in the form of membership and democratic, movement-wide decisions to make funding allocations on the basis of evaluation reports (through committees or otherwise).
This may also make the endowment a more compelling proposition than it is today. Yes, keeping Wikimedia’s sites operational indefinitely is a very worthwhile goal. But what if the endowment ultimately also helped to support global, federated work towards Wikimedia’s vision? What if all affiliates -- indeed the whole movement -- were excited and motivated to help grow it?
== Where to go from here? ==
There are lots of open questions in all of this. Should all site-wide fundraising remain inside WMF, for example, with funds being transferred to a movement entity? What’s the dividing line between "development for third parties" (MWF) and "development for Wikimedia" (WMF)? How would staff transition to new organizations? Where should those organizations be based? Should they be distributed, have offices?
An important thing to remember here (a lesson I’ve had to learn painfully) is that big changes are best made in small steps, with room for trial and error.
Implementing this strategy is, I think, a matter of first committing to it as an idea, and then creating coherent proposals for each step, publicly with broad input. First, if there is support for the general idea, I would recommend kicking it around: Are these the right kinds of spin-offs? What are the risks and how should existing affiliates be involved in the process? And so on.
The fact that WMF has just experienced a major organizational crisis should not itself fill us with pessimism and despair. But we also shouldn’t ignore it. We must learn from it and do what reason tells us -- and in my view that is to build a more resilient _federation_ of organizations than what we have today.
Warmly,
Erik
== Notes ==
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2016-03-09/Op-ed
[2] https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Template:STAFF-COUNT
[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunbar%27s_number
[4] http://www.bloomberg.com/bw/articles/2013-01-10/the-dunbar-number-from-the-g...
[5] Our branding is confusing beyond repair. I don't think there's an easy fix here, and we should just embrace our nutty nomenclature (Wikimedia/MediaWiki/Wikipedia) at this point.
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2016-03-18 9:01 GMT-07:00 Sydney Poore sydney.poore@gmail.com:
Hi Sydney!
Right now the central hub of the global movement is WMF. Despite other recent problems. The WMF is doing a great job of regularly communicating about the world wide movement.
There needs to be a successful transfer of the global mission to another body/bodies or there is the risk that local growth will be even more uneven than today.
Yes, I agree with that, and I think it's generally what characterizes successful federate models. A "Wikimedia Movement Association" with global membership could address this. Let's say as a hypothetical that grantmaking and evaluation responsibilities ultimately become part of such a WMA's scope. That would naturally give it a lot of responsibility for sharing practices, bringing attention to things that work, and helping to organize postmortems or governance reviews where appropriate.
Not being itself responsible for a large body of programs, and being accountable to its members, it could be in a better position to foster a global sense of belonging and accountability. I suspect a lot of us would become dues-paying members of such an organization, and proudly so.
To the extent that it would do programmatic work, like organizing conferences or developing tools for evaluation, it would likely do so by contracting that work out to affiliates within the movement, or externally if necessary. That would enable it to remain lean, staffing-wise. And incidentally, it could enable organizations like WMDE to bid for contracts alongside WMF, yielding the benefits of light competition and greater geographic diversity.
What would a WMA _not_ do? It would not host servers, or deal with trust and safety issues on the websites, or respond to DMCA notices, or develop MediaWiki improvements. It _might_ have a stewardship role for movement resources, like the movement blog and potentially even the brand assets, as an ultimate safety valve.
In short, a movement association would act as a direct proxy for the movement, maintaining a network of clearly scoped short term and long term relationships to advance the Wikimedia mission. It would not replace the WMF, but it would give it a more clearly defined scope of responsibilities and a more equal footing within the movement.
Erik
Hi Erik,
Those are great ideas, and I'm think I can support most of them.
MediaWiki is indeed something we need to invest on much more. Or even re-built it from scratch. It's the base to all our work and the future or our projects. The idea of having an organization that this is 100% of his mission makes sense. Also the idea of hosting MW for others - see WordPress for exmaple. Even the WMF, a big organization with hundreds of developers and tech guys pays to WP in order to host is own blog.
The Education Foundation is also a good example - I spoke a lot with the WMF's education team about the great EDUFund's dashboard and how we can use it around the world, not only in the US. It is a powerful tool that the WMF is not even close or plans to offer to the education teams around the world. While the WMF is also not planning to develop one - why not to support the EDUFund or another chapter in order to make it international? But why we need to go far with the ideas - WikiData is probably the greatest example. But WMDE is not the only one organization that can do things like that.
So yes, we most re-think how we de-centralize some of the foundation\movement work.
Itzik
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On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 4:22 AM, Erik Moeller eloquence@gmail.com wrote:
Hi folks,
Now that the dust has settled a bit, I would like to expand on an idea that’s been touched on a few times (most recently, in an editorial by William Beutler [1]): the notion that WMF might be a more effective organization if it limited its own size in favor of focused spin-off organizations and affiliates.
I was very much part of building the current WMF in terms of both size and structure, but I also think recent events underscore the fragility of the current model. WMF is still tiny compared with other tech companies that operate popular websites, but it’s a vast organization by Wikimedia movement standards. With nearly 300 staff [2] (beyond even our ambitious 2015 strategic plan staffing numbers), it dwarfs any other movement org.
I can see three potential benefits from a more federated model:
- Resilience. If any one organization experiences a crisis, other
independent organizations suffer to a lesser degree than departments within that organization.
- Focus. Wikimedia’s mission is very broad, and an organization with
a clearly defined mandate is less likely to be pulled in many different directions -- at every level.
- Accountability. Within a less centralized federation, it is easier
to ensure that funding flows to those who do work the movement wants them to do.
My experience is that growth tends to be self-reinforcing in budgetary processes if there are now clear ceilings established. I think that’s true in almost any organization. There’s always lots of work to do, and new teams will discover new gaps and areas into which they would like to expand. Hence, I would argue for the following:
a) To establish 150 as the provisional ceiling for Wikimedia movement organizations. This is Dunbar’s number, and it has been used (sometimes intentionally, sometimes organically) as a limiting number for religious groups, military companies, corporate divisions, tax offices, and other human endeavors. [3][4] This is very specifically because it makes organizational units more manageable and understandable for those who work there.
b) To slowly, gradually identify parts of the WMF which would benefit from being spun off into independent organizations, and to launch such spin-offs, narrowing WMF's focus in the process.
c) To aim to more clearly separate funding and evaluation responsibilities from programmatic work within the movement -- whether that work is keeping websites running, building software, or doing GLAM work.
Note that I'm not proposing a quick splintering, but rather a slow and gradual process with lots of opportunity to course-correct.
More on these points below.
== Potential test case: MediaWiki Foundation ==
A "MediaWiki Foundation" [5] has been proposed a few times and I suspect continues to have some currency within WMF. This org would not be focused on all WMF-related development work, but specifically on MediaWiki as software that has value to third parties. Its mission could include hosting services as earned income (and potentially as an extension of the Wikimedia movement’s mission).
MediaWiki is used today by numerous nonprofit and educational projects that are aligned even with a narrow view on Wikimedia’s mission. Examples include Appropedia, OpenWetWare, WikiEducator, W3C’s WebPlatform, Hesperian Health Guides, and too many notable open source projects to list.
Among commercial users, it has lost much ground to other software like Confluence, but it remains, in my view, the most viable platform for large, open, collaborative communities. Yet it’s a poorly supported option: many of the above wikis are outdated, and maintaining a MediaWiki install is generally more work than it needs to be.
Building a healthy third party ecosystem will have obvious benefits for the world, and for existing Wikimedia work as well. It may also create a proving ground for experimental technology.
Which work that WMF is currently doing would be part of an MWF’s mandate? I don’t know; I could imagine that it could include aspects like Vagrant, or even shared responsibility for MediaWiki core and MW’s architecture.
== The Wiki Education Foundation precedent ==
It’s worth noting that this spin-off model has been tried once before. The Wiki Education Foundation is an example of an organization that was created by volunteers doing work in this programmatic space in partnership with staff of the Education Program at WMF, who left to join the new org. It is now financially independent, building its own relationships with funders that WMF has never worked with, and achieving impact at unprecedented scale.
LiAnna Davis, who is today the Director of Program Support at Wiki Ed, wrote a detailed response to William’s blog post, which I think is worth quoting in full [1]:
----begin quote---- I worked for the WMF for nearly four years and have worked for the spun-off Wiki Education Foundation for the last two, and I strongly support the idea of spinning off more parts of WMF into independent nonprofits like ours.
As you noted, Wiki Ed is a test case for your proposal, so for readers who don’t know our history: We started in 2010 as a pilot program (called the Public Policy Initiative) within WMF, funded by a restricted grant, to support university professors in the U.S. who wanted to assign their students to edit Wikipedia as a class assignment. The pilot showed the idea was successful, and so we started piloting it in countries as part of the Catalyst project (Arab World, Brazil, and India).
The U.S. program had lingered at WMF without any real organizational support because the U.S. wasn’t a target region. WMF leadership saw its potential, however, and formed a volunteer Working Group of Wikipedians and academics who created the structure of the organization that became the Wiki Education Foundation in 2013. WMF gave us a small start-up grant to get us going, and provided fiscal sponsorship for us until our 501(c)3 status came through (and we could fundraise on our own).
Today, we’re an independent organization, not funded by WMF, and we’ve scaled the impact of our programs incredibly. We’re supporting three times as many students, we’ve developed our own technology to support our programmatic work, and our students are busy addressing content gaps in academic areas on Wikipedia.
So why are we so successful? There are a lot of factors, but there’s one I want to highlight here, because I think it’s a clear difference between when we were at WMF and our current work at Wiki Ed. We have one, very clear mission: We create mutually beneficial ties between Wikipedia and academia in the U.S. and Canada.
The WMF mission is inspiring — but it’s really broad, just like our movement is. When we were doing this same project at WMF, I’d struggle to just focus on the Education Program and ignore the rest of the mission. Whenever I interacted with people outside the foundation (and I did so a lot), people would come to me with ideas to further WMF’s mission that weren’t in my program’s boundaries. I’d spend time trying to help, because I believed in the mission and wanted to help it along. I’m not the only one: I would see this idealism and commitment to the mission repeatedly among my colleagues at WMF. I still see it from the current WMF staff. They’re all there because they believe in the mission. They want to help, and it’s really hard to not try to help with everything, because you can see so many different facets of helping that mission.
Essentially, with a mission as broad as WMF’s, it’s hard for staff to keep a narrow focus. *Everything* can seem mission-related. When your mission is as narrow as Wiki Ed’s, it’s easier to find your focus and keep your attention on developing one area well. This is a key strength of independent organizations — independent, narrower missions keep staff focused and more productive on achieving their small part of the overall Wikimedia mission.
I strongly support more discussion about spinning off other parts of WMF into independent organizations. ----end quote----
== A "Movement Association"? ==
A more radical suggestion would be to spin off work on grantmaking and evaluation. This isn’t trivial -- there are legitimate arguments to keep this work close to other community-facing work WMF is doing. But there are undeniable benefits in greater separation.
When it comes to large annual plan grants, much has been done to ensure that the FDC can operate as an independent body and evaluate each plan on its merits. Ultimately, however, the decision rests with the WMF, which has a much better understanding of its own programs (through the direct relationship with its ED) than of those of affiliates.
Similarly, while WMF has done a fair bit to provide self-service evaluation tools to the movement at large, it’s not clear that its work is always held to the same standard as everyone else’s. A WMF grantee must very publicly report results and success metrics; WMF attempts to do so as a matter of course, but it is not accountable to another organization for failing to do so.
Finally, as was discussed here a lot in recent weeks, WMF itself has no clear accountability to the movement. The Board elections are advisory in nature. There is no membership. Non-elected seats are filled by the Board with little visibility. There is a semi-permanent "Founder’s Seat".
If grantmaking and evaluation responsibilities were increasingly shifted to a "Wikimedia Movement Association", this could gradually allow for true accountability to the movement in the form of membership and democratic, movement-wide decisions to make funding allocations on the basis of evaluation reports (through committees or otherwise).
This may also make the endowment a more compelling proposition than it is today. Yes, keeping Wikimedia’s sites operational indefinitely is a very worthwhile goal. But what if the endowment ultimately also helped to support global, federated work towards Wikimedia’s vision? What if all affiliates -- indeed the whole movement -- were excited and motivated to help grow it?
== Where to go from here? ==
There are lots of open questions in all of this. Should all site-wide fundraising remain inside WMF, for example, with funds being transferred to a movement entity? What’s the dividing line between "development for third parties" (MWF) and "development for Wikimedia" (WMF)? How would staff transition to new organizations? Where should those organizations be based? Should they be distributed, have offices?
An important thing to remember here (a lesson I’ve had to learn painfully) is that big changes are best made in small steps, with room for trial and error.
Implementing this strategy is, I think, a matter of first committing to it as an idea, and then creating coherent proposals for each step, publicly with broad input. First, if there is support for the general idea, I would recommend kicking it around: Are these the right kinds of spin-offs? What are the risks and how should existing affiliates be involved in the process? And so on.
The fact that WMF has just experienced a major organizational crisis should not itself fill us with pessimism and despair. But we also shouldn’t ignore it. We must learn from it and do what reason tells us -- and in my view that is to build a more resilient _federation_ of organizations than what we have today.
Warmly,
Erik
== Notes ==
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2016-03-09/Op-ed
[2] https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Template:STAFF-COUNT
[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunbar%27s_number
[4] http://www.bloomberg.com/bw/articles/2013-01-10/the-dunbar-number-from-the-g...
[5] Our branding is confusing beyond repair. I don't think there's an easy fix here, and we should just embrace our nutty nomenclature (Wikimedia/MediaWiki/Wikipedia) at this point.
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Hi Itzik - a question for you
The Education Foundation is also a good example - I spoke a lot with the
WMF's education team about the great EDUFund's dashboard and how we can use it around the world, not only in the US. It is a powerful tool that the WMF is not even close or plans to offer to the education teams around the world. While the WMF is also not planning to develop one - why not to support the EDUFund or another chapter in order to make it international?
What is EDUFund Dashboard? Are you referring to the WikiFoundation Dashboard https://dashboard.wikiedu.org/?
Thanks, Edward
*WikiEd Foundation Dashboard
On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 10:32 AM, Edward Galvez egalvez@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi Itzik - a question for you
The Education Foundation is also a good example - I spoke a lot with the
WMF's education team about the great EDUFund's dashboard and how we can use it around the world, not only in the US. It is a powerful tool that the WMF is not even close or plans to offer to the education teams around the world. While the WMF is also not planning to develop one - why not to support the EDUFund or another chapter in order to make it international?
What is EDUFund Dashboard? Are you referring to the WikiFoundation Dashboard https://dashboard.wikiedu.org/?
Thanks, Edward
Yes Edward, I referred to the WikiEd foundation dashboard. I may gave them another nickname by mistake;)
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On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 7:32 PM, Edward Galvez egalvez@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi Itzik - a question for you
The Education Foundation is also a good example - I spoke a lot with the
WMF's education team about the great EDUFund's dashboard and how we can
use
it around the world, not only in the US. It is a powerful tool that the
WMF
is not even close or plans to offer to the education teams around the world. While the WMF is also not planning to develop one - why not to support
the
EDUFund or another chapter in order to make it international?
What is EDUFund Dashboard? Are you referring to the WikiFoundation Dashboard https://dashboard.wikiedu.org/?
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On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 10:42 AM, Itzik - Wikimedia Israel < itzik@wikimedia.org.il> wrote:
Yes Edward, I referred to the WikiEd foundation dashboard. I may gave them another nickname by mistake;)
Well then - It's a good time to share that our team (Program Capacity & Learning), with the support of developers in other departments, has just built the *alpha* version of the Program and Events Dashboard[1]. "Alpha", from my understanding, means it is still in development. I can let Amanda share more about the project and where it is at. (You can find the project in Phabricator as well)
But my point here is that we are working to recognize community needs and adapting. I do have to admit that if it were not for the WikiEd foundation's work, I wonder if the Program and Events Dashboard would have been created at all. However, the added benefit that the WMF brings to the Program and Events Dashboard is that its for ALL programs, globally - not just the Education Program, and not just U.S. and Canada. I would have to wonder if spun off organizations would be able to ensure the work they create serve the broad global audiences (*which is already a challenge for our 300 staff!*)
It is difficult to manage both the technology and governance sides of and organization like the WMF, but part of me really hopes that this is what can help us succeed and excel. It's a symbiotic relationship. Technology works with and for people; they are difficult to separate; one doesn't work well without the other, especially if trying to hold the technology that is created to the values and purpose the movement and mission.
[1] *Programs and Events Dashboard alpha https://dashboard-testing.wikiedu.org/ built and tested! Alpha works on any wiki project and language. Now easier to use for edit-a-thons, workshops, and education programs. UX/UI and features still to be added to core. *
*https://wikiedu-dashboard-staging.wmflabs.org https://wikiedu-dashboard-staging.wmflabs.org*
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On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 7:32 PM, Edward Galvez egalvez@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi Itzik - a question for you
The Education Foundation is also a good example - I spoke a lot with the
WMF's education team about the great EDUFund's dashboard and how we can
use
it around the world, not only in the US. It is a powerful tool that the
WMF
is not even close or plans to offer to the education teams around the world. While the WMF is also not planning to develop one - why not to support
the
EDUFund or another chapter in order to make it international?
What is EDUFund Dashboard? Are you referring to the WikiFoundation Dashboard https://dashboard.wikiedu.org/?
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Hi all,
I'd like to add some thoughts to the discussion about the potential pros and cons of spinning parts of the Wikimedia Foundation off. I’m writing this in my personal capacity and this email might not represent the views of the Wiki Education Foundation.
This is a comparably long note; the upshot is that in my opinion there are more pros than cons.
== PRO ==
* Distributed risk: If one part of the new ecosystem fails, the rest should still be healthy enough to survive. Today, if the WMF implodes, everybody else will be affected in a big way. If we manage to successfully create a number of separate organizations of what is today WMF, the risk will be spread. Some parts will still be vital for the survival of others, though. So, that has to be taken into account during the process of spinning off.
* Specialization of EDs: People who are experts in their field tend to produce better results. During the last ED search, WMF struggled with finding a “unicorn”. In order to run the WMF, you’ll have to be able to deal with a high level of complexity, understand the community, be willing to deal with public criticism, understand how to build an effective engineering organization, etc. Splitting WMF into different organizations would make subsequent ED searches easier as their expertise won’t have to be as broad as under the current conditions.
* Better focus: Organizations with a narrower focus are likely to do better. Wiki Ed is only one example. I’ll leave it with that because LiAnna has explained this point already nicely.
* Shorter and more efficient decision making processes: The larger an organization, the more it tends having more levels of hierarchy. This affects decision making – smaller organizations can react more quickly and more efficiently to changing conditions.
* Feeling of ownership leads to higher job satisfaction: This one is closely related to my last point: people in a smaller organization tend to feel a much higher level of ownership over the outcomes of their work. As a result, they’re more motivated (which, in most cases, will lead to better results).
* Stopping things that don’t work: Larger organizations tend to continue projects although the outcomes of those projects are questionable. They can simply afford it. Spinning off parts of the WMF would require the spin-offs to justify their existence every single day. That seems to put a lot of pressure on these spin-offs. However, the result would actually be good: if an organization doesn’t continually deliver value to the ecosystem as a whole, it will disappear. That’s better than a continued investment of resources into projects that everybody knows don’t have the impact that people expected them to have.
* More potential for innovation: Independent organizations have more freedom to look at things from a fresh and different angle. While I was still with WMF, everything needed to be done in MediaWiki. From the perspective of the WMF that made sense. However, for what Wiki Ed needs to accomplish, we believed that building our own software outside of MediaWiki (but communicating with Wikipedia’s platform through OAuth) would be better. Today, WMF is working on adapting Wiki Ed’s software to the needs of a global community (see Edward’s email).
* Positive effects of competition: In a world, where organizations are more independent, they won’t always choose a service provider within the Wikimedia ecosystem. Instead they might decide to work with outside contractors who are able to deliver better results in less time. As an example, Wiki Ed worked with an outside contractor based in Seattle to develop its dashboard. We could have partnered with WMF, but the project might not have received the same level of attention. We’re happy with the results, and now there’s one more company in the world that has a growing understanding of Wikimedia’s requirements.
* Geographic diversity: if we decided to spin-off parts of WMF, we'd have the opportunity to think about where these parts should be located. Given the extremely high cost of living in the Bay Area and meager opportunities for WMF to recruit people locally (for the many obvious reasons; e.g. competing with Facebook and Google for talent is hard), some of the spun off parts might be located in other regions of the world. This would make the Wikimedia ecosystem more diverse than it is now and will most likely reduce costs.
== CON ==
* Coordination gets more difficult: With parts of the WMF getting spun off, coordination between these parts will be more vital than ever. The risk is that one organization doesn’t know what another organization is planning to do / started executing / learned along the way. A solid process of communicating things can solve this. However, this requires the willingness of everybody to communicate early and often. And, in fairness, this is already an existing problem in need of better solutions, given the large number of chapters and affiliates WMF already has (and even within WMF itself).
* Need for more EDs with unique profiles: With a greater number of independent organizations in our ecosystem comes the need for more leaders who are able to run a nonprofit in the Wikimedia world. We’ve already seen that this isn’t easy to achieve. Nonprofits don’t pay as well as others, EDs need to be comfortable with being yelled at on public lists, people really need to understand our world. How would we be able to mitigate this? (1) With more geographic diversity comes a larger pool of candidates (actually, not everybody on this planet believes that it’s desirable to live in San Francisco); (2) We should invest more in developing leadership from within. WMF has a long track record of recruiting people “from outside” for key positions. I believe we can generally do better in this area.
* More resources being spent on administrative stuff: If every new organization creates its own finance / HR / communications department, more resources in total will be spent on support work. That can either be mitigated by creating specialized units which offer administrative/support services to organizations within the ecosystem (at some point Garfield and I discussed whether WMF should offer such services for Wiki Ed and/or for affiliates) or by implementing these functions in a very lean way (that’s actually the path Wiki Ed chose with e.g. having payroll done by an outside contractor instead of doing it in-house).
* Smaller organizations might be weaker when it comes to partnerships: If you’re the Wikimedia Foundation and you’d like to partner with, let’s say, some Academy of Sciences, people at that institution will immediately listen to you. Because you run one of the biggest websites on this planet. If you’re a smaller organization, it’s more difficult to get someone else’s attention. On the other hand, if we develop leadership from within, the next generation of EDs may have existing connections to relevant partners (as it was the case with Wiki Ed).
Now, do I believe splitting off parts of WMF and creating a “federation” of organizations that deserves that name is better? Yes, I do. However, I agree with Erik that this needs to be a “gradual process with lots of opportunity to course-correct”. We have to let go of the idea that we’re going to end up with an “ideal” organizational structure. We’ll have to experiment and learn along the way. We might even have to reverse some of our decisions in the future (which is ok). This all will take time, a good amount of thinking, and everybody’s willingness to assume good faith. But the recent developments at the Wikimedia Foundation have – at least in my opinion – shown that thinking more thoroughly about the broader shapes of our organizational structures is worth a shot.
Best,
Frank
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On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 7:22 PM, Erik Moeller eloquence@gmail.com wrote:
Hi folks,
Now that the dust has settled a bit, I would like to expand on an idea that’s been touched on a few times (most recently, in an editorial by William Beutler [1]): the notion that WMF might be a more effective organization if it limited its own size in favor of focused spin-off organizations and affiliates.
I was very much part of building the current WMF in terms of both size and structure, but I also think recent events underscore the fragility of the current model. WMF is still tiny compared with other tech companies that operate popular websites, but it’s a vast organization by Wikimedia movement standards. With nearly 300 staff [2] (beyond even our ambitious 2015 strategic plan staffing numbers), it dwarfs any other movement org.
I can see three potential benefits from a more federated model:
- Resilience. If any one organization experiences a crisis, other
independent organizations suffer to a lesser degree than departments within that organization.
- Focus. Wikimedia’s mission is very broad, and an organization with
a clearly defined mandate is less likely to be pulled in many different directions -- at every level.
- Accountability. Within a less centralized federation, it is easier
to ensure that funding flows to those who do work the movement wants them to do.
My experience is that growth tends to be self-reinforcing in budgetary processes if there are now clear ceilings established. I think that’s true in almost any organization. There’s always lots of work to do, and new teams will discover new gaps and areas into which they would like to expand. Hence, I would argue for the following:
a) To establish 150 as the provisional ceiling for Wikimedia movement organizations. This is Dunbar’s number, and it has been used (sometimes intentionally, sometimes organically) as a limiting number for religious groups, military companies, corporate divisions, tax offices, and other human endeavors. [3][4] This is very specifically because it makes organizational units more manageable and understandable for those who work there.
b) To slowly, gradually identify parts of the WMF which would benefit from being spun off into independent organizations, and to launch such spin-offs, narrowing WMF's focus in the process.
c) To aim to more clearly separate funding and evaluation responsibilities from programmatic work within the movement -- whether that work is keeping websites running, building software, or doing GLAM work.
Note that I'm not proposing a quick splintering, but rather a slow and gradual process with lots of opportunity to course-correct.
More on these points below.
== Potential test case: MediaWiki Foundation ==
A "MediaWiki Foundation" [5] has been proposed a few times and I suspect continues to have some currency within WMF. This org would not be focused on all WMF-related development work, but specifically on MediaWiki as software that has value to third parties. Its mission could include hosting services as earned income (and potentially as an extension of the Wikimedia movement’s mission).
MediaWiki is used today by numerous nonprofit and educational projects that are aligned even with a narrow view on Wikimedia’s mission. Examples include Appropedia, OpenWetWare, WikiEducator, W3C’s WebPlatform, Hesperian Health Guides, and too many notable open source projects to list.
Among commercial users, it has lost much ground to other software like Confluence, but it remains, in my view, the most viable platform for large, open, collaborative communities. Yet it’s a poorly supported option: many of the above wikis are outdated, and maintaining a MediaWiki install is generally more work than it needs to be.
Building a healthy third party ecosystem will have obvious benefits for the world, and for existing Wikimedia work as well. It may also create a proving ground for experimental technology.
Which work that WMF is currently doing would be part of an MWF’s mandate? I don’t know; I could imagine that it could include aspects like Vagrant, or even shared responsibility for MediaWiki core and MW’s architecture.
== The Wiki Education Foundation precedent ==
It’s worth noting that this spin-off model has been tried once before. The Wiki Education Foundation is an example of an organization that was created by volunteers doing work in this programmatic space in partnership with staff of the Education Program at WMF, who left to join the new org. It is now financially independent, building its own relationships with funders that WMF has never worked with, and achieving impact at unprecedented scale.
LiAnna Davis, who is today the Director of Program Support at Wiki Ed, wrote a detailed response to William’s blog post, which I think is worth quoting in full [1]:
----begin quote---- I worked for the WMF for nearly four years and have worked for the spun-off Wiki Education Foundation for the last two, and I strongly support the idea of spinning off more parts of WMF into independent nonprofits like ours.
As you noted, Wiki Ed is a test case for your proposal, so for readers who don’t know our history: We started in 2010 as a pilot program (called the Public Policy Initiative) within WMF, funded by a restricted grant, to support university professors in the U.S. who wanted to assign their students to edit Wikipedia as a class assignment. The pilot showed the idea was successful, and so we started piloting it in countries as part of the Catalyst project (Arab World, Brazil, and India).
The U.S. program had lingered at WMF without any real organizational support because the U.S. wasn’t a target region. WMF leadership saw its potential, however, and formed a volunteer Working Group of Wikipedians and academics who created the structure of the organization that became the Wiki Education Foundation in 2013. WMF gave us a small start-up grant to get us going, and provided fiscal sponsorship for us until our 501(c)3 status came through (and we could fundraise on our own).
Today, we’re an independent organization, not funded by WMF, and we’ve scaled the impact of our programs incredibly. We’re supporting three times as many students, we’ve developed our own technology to support our programmatic work, and our students are busy addressing content gaps in academic areas on Wikipedia.
So why are we so successful? There are a lot of factors, but there’s one I want to highlight here, because I think it’s a clear difference between when we were at WMF and our current work at Wiki Ed. We have one, very clear mission: We create mutually beneficial ties between Wikipedia and academia in the U.S. and Canada.
The WMF mission is inspiring — but it’s really broad, just like our movement is. When we were doing this same project at WMF, I’d struggle to just focus on the Education Program and ignore the rest of the mission. Whenever I interacted with people outside the foundation (and I did so a lot), people would come to me with ideas to further WMF’s mission that weren’t in my program’s boundaries. I’d spend time trying to help, because I believed in the mission and wanted to help it along. I’m not the only one: I would see this idealism and commitment to the mission repeatedly among my colleagues at WMF. I still see it from the current WMF staff. They’re all there because they believe in the mission. They want to help, and it’s really hard to not try to help with everything, because you can see so many different facets of helping that mission.
Essentially, with a mission as broad as WMF’s, it’s hard for staff to keep a narrow focus. *Everything* can seem mission-related. When your mission is as narrow as Wiki Ed’s, it’s easier to find your focus and keep your attention on developing one area well. This is a key strength of independent organizations — independent, narrower missions keep staff focused and more productive on achieving their small part of the overall Wikimedia mission.
I strongly support more discussion about spinning off other parts of WMF into independent organizations. ----end quote----
== A "Movement Association"? ==
A more radical suggestion would be to spin off work on grantmaking and evaluation. This isn’t trivial -- there are legitimate arguments to keep this work close to other community-facing work WMF is doing. But there are undeniable benefits in greater separation.
When it comes to large annual plan grants, much has been done to ensure that the FDC can operate as an independent body and evaluate each plan on its merits. Ultimately, however, the decision rests with the WMF, which has a much better understanding of its own programs (through the direct relationship with its ED) than of those of affiliates.
Similarly, while WMF has done a fair bit to provide self-service evaluation tools to the movement at large, it’s not clear that its work is always held to the same standard as everyone else’s. A WMF grantee must very publicly report results and success metrics; WMF attempts to do so as a matter of course, but it is not accountable to another organization for failing to do so.
Finally, as was discussed here a lot in recent weeks, WMF itself has no clear accountability to the movement. The Board elections are advisory in nature. There is no membership. Non-elected seats are filled by the Board with little visibility. There is a semi-permanent "Founder’s Seat".
If grantmaking and evaluation responsibilities were increasingly shifted to a "Wikimedia Movement Association", this could gradually allow for true accountability to the movement in the form of membership and democratic, movement-wide decisions to make funding allocations on the basis of evaluation reports (through committees or otherwise).
This may also make the endowment a more compelling proposition than it is today. Yes, keeping Wikimedia’s sites operational indefinitely is a very worthwhile goal. But what if the endowment ultimately also helped to support global, federated work towards Wikimedia’s vision? What if all affiliates -- indeed the whole movement -- were excited and motivated to help grow it?
== Where to go from here? ==
There are lots of open questions in all of this. Should all site-wide fundraising remain inside WMF, for example, with funds being transferred to a movement entity? What’s the dividing line between "development for third parties" (MWF) and "development for Wikimedia" (WMF)? How would staff transition to new organizations? Where should those organizations be based? Should they be distributed, have offices?
An important thing to remember here (a lesson I’ve had to learn painfully) is that big changes are best made in small steps, with room for trial and error.
Implementing this strategy is, I think, a matter of first committing to it as an idea, and then creating coherent proposals for each step, publicly with broad input. First, if there is support for the general idea, I would recommend kicking it around: Are these the right kinds of spin-offs? What are the risks and how should existing affiliates be involved in the process? And so on.
The fact that WMF has just experienced a major organizational crisis should not itself fill us with pessimism and despair. But we also shouldn’t ignore it. We must learn from it and do what reason tells us -- and in my view that is to build a more resilient _federation_ of organizations than what we have today.
Warmly,
Erik
== Notes ==
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2016-03-09/Op-ed
[2] https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Template:STAFF-COUNT
[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunbar%27s_number
[4] http://www.bloomberg.com/bw/articles/2013-01-10/the-dunbar-number-from-the-g...
[5] Our branding is confusing beyond repair. I don't think there's an easy fix here, and we should just embrace our nutty nomenclature (Wikimedia/MediaWiki/Wikipedia) at this point.
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On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 3:22 AM, Erik Moeller eloquence@gmail.com wrote: <cut>
the notion that WMF might be a more effective organization if it limited its own size in favor of focused spin-off organizations and affiliates.
<cut>
I can see three potential benefits from a more federated model:
- Resilience. If any one organization experiences a crisis, other
independent organizations suffer to a lesser degree than departments within that organization.
- Focus. Wikimedia’s mission is very broad, and an organization with
a clearly defined mandate is less likely to be pulled in many different directions -- at every level.
- Accountability. Within a less centralized federation, it is easier
to ensure that funding flows to those who do work the movement wants them to do.
My experience is that growth tends to be self-reinforcing in budgetary processes if there are now clear ceilings established. I think that’s true in almost any organization. There’s always lots of work to do, and new teams will discover new gaps and areas into which they would like to expand. Hence, I would argue for the following:
a) To establish 150 as the provisional ceiling for Wikimedia movement organizations. This is Dunbar’s number, and it has been used (sometimes intentionally, sometimes organically) as a limiting number for religious groups, military companies, corporate divisions, tax offices, and other human endeavors. [3][4] This is very specifically because it makes organizational units more manageable and understandable for those who work there.
b) To slowly, gradually identify parts of the WMF which would benefit from being spun off into independent organizations, and to launch such spin-offs, narrowing WMF's focus in the process.
c) To aim to more clearly separate funding and evaluation responsibilities from programmatic work within the movement -- whether that work is keeping websites running, building software, or doing GLAM work.
<cut>
== Where to go from here? ==
There are lots of open questions in all of this. Should all site-wide fundraising remain inside WMF, for example, with funds being transferred to a movement entity? What’s the dividing line between "development for third parties" (MWF) and "development for Wikimedia" (WMF)? How would staff transition to new organizations? Where should those organizations be based? Should they be distributed, have offices?
An important thing to remember here (a lesson I’ve had to learn painfully) is that big changes are best made in small steps, with room for trial and error.
Implementing this strategy is, I think, a matter of first committing to it as an idea, and then creating coherent proposals for each step, publicly with broad input. First, if there is support for the general idea, I would recommend kicking it around: Are these the right kinds of spin-offs? What are the risks and how should existing affiliates be involved in the process? And so on.
that all sounds quite reasonable. also what erik writes about organisations is to be expected. at the end it all boils down to money. spending all money available and wanting more money never has been a problem. if there is dissent it was always about who has the say what the money is spent on, and where it is spent. i am convinced if we get the responsibilities right, the dissent will stop, and the output will be better.
sizing organizations and distributing responsibilities on a global scale seems to be a very difficult task, close to the soviet empire's task to plan its next 5 years. one could argue to resolve it via setting a financial targets, just as multinational companies do. two simple long term key performance indicators might already do the trick for the wikimedia movement: first "maximum 50% of the money is spent on persons whose life depend financially on the movement", which is employees, or long term contracting persons, organizations, foundations, enterprises. and second, "50% of the money stays in the country where it is donated." the rest will auto-organize, and auto-change. finding intelligent spending for the rest of the 50% should not be a too difficult task, there is sufficient universities and students around the world who would be happy to compete for this money. the success, means and outcome will change over time, in areas and ways nobody can predict today. the 50% are a made up number, a little bit influenced by public spending of 40% - 50% in many industrialized countries nowadays. it seems people accept such a ratio.
whatever the target is, getting acceptance is not simple. currently the WMF at the same time controls the domain and with it money inflow. at the same time WMF spends 90% of the total money, preferably to its own employees. "growth" is such a natural target, no matter in what area that WMF tries to even increase this percentage. from a WMF perspective it is not bad at all. unfortunately it causes eternal struggle, and damages the movements progress. without it wants to do so, the WMF violates its custodian obligations. to me the most natural split therefor seems to separate "domain ownership" (ownership, some legal protection, set key performance indicators, maybe operations/infrastructure, maybe fundraising), and the rest. leave all processes, budgets, affiliates untouched for a couple of years.
to come back to eriks first step, decide if a split makes sense: yes, i am for it. the challenge i personally hope is addressed: get continuously new persons, new ideas, new content, new software implementations into the movement, from all over the world. WMF will never win the competition for talent and ideas in silicon valley only against the likes of facebook or baby facebooks. so we need to go where others are not, and have a hard time to go. people will follow money, and ideals.
best, rupert
Erik, thank you for framing this discussion, I think your "Resilience, Focus, Accountability" formula hits on some of the most important ways in which the Wikimedia Foundation has failed. I share the concerns of Sydney and Gerard however, and would like to ask some questions about how a real Federation might emerge.
On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 7:22 PM, Erik Moeller eloquence@gmail.com wrote:
Finally, as was discussed here a lot in recent weeks, WMF itself has no clear accountability to the movement.
I think this is the first thing. For the same reason, we should not expect or even allow the Wikimedia Foundation to take the lead in any federating that takes place.
To briefly argue about the source of authority for making financial decisions about the Wikimedia movement: a generous majority of donor money comes from people like us on this list, who donate less than $100, and roughly the same proportion of these donors (75%) imagine that they are donating directly to Wikipedia.[1, 2] The historical events which led to the Foundation taking the money and deciding how it should be spent is quite arbitrary, and the insular structure of its Board of Trustees is also an accident waiting to be corrected.[3]
It seems clear that the Wikimedian contributors have both an ethical and a legal claim over these funds, and over the supporting organizations, the endowment, and so on.
Let's give Wikimedia resources back to the contributors, and follow their lead on how to allocate. Surprises are fun!
Demographic bias among the contributors, towards anglophone regions or other power and population centers, is certainly a problem, but it would be paternalistic for the WMF to assume that it can do a better job creating a space for global social justice than the Wikimedians themselves might do. In fact, given the WMF's own position in North America, and the Silicon Valley bias of its Board, that would a case of the fox guarding the henhouse.
On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 7:22 PM, Erik Moeller eloquence@gmail.com wrote:
== The Wiki Education Foundation precedent ==
This is actually a deeply disturbing precedent that has affected me personally. Others on this thread have mentioned it already, but the WIki Education Foundation is *specifically* not chartered to serve a global audience, they only deal with the United States and Canada.[4] Having just finished a month of working as a developer with the Community Engagement team--one of the few months of developer time ever conceded to this department--I feel confident repeating the common knowledge that the remnants of the Education Program which remain at the Wikimedia Foundation are shamefully underfunded, and now in freefall with the loss of Anna Koval and Floor Koudijs. I have to think this is all a direct consequence of outsourcing the North American, English wing of the program, and that the resources have followed. As wonderful and caring as the Wiki Education staff are as individuals and as an organization, and even with Sage Ross making the most generous contributions of his personal time to help with internationalization, I ask how the Wiki Education Foundation will ever fill the gap left by the WMF's Education Program, if its charter does not allow it to do so?
Likewise, if we carve off MediaWiki software development into its own clubhouse, they will inevitably look for funding from the biggest funded users of the software, which are governments and corporations. Bite the hands that feed you? They'll have no choice but to modify their mission to accommodate the wishes of their donors.
Again, I would oppose the current WMF leadership making any of these difficult decisions. My faith would be much more in the capacity for a broad alliance of Wikimedia project contributors to constructively engage with your recommendations. Of course WMF staff and Board members past and present would probably be invited to this table, but as equals and individuals, not as the holders of the purse strings.
-Adam Wight [[mw:User:Adamw]] This letter represents my personal views and not necessarily those of my employer, the Wikimedia Foundation.
[1] https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/34/FY1415AmountDistri... [2] https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/72/Wikimedia_2014_English_F... [3] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_membership_controversy [4] https://wikiedu.org/about-us/
On Sat, Mar 19, 2016 at 7:41 AM, rupert THURNER rupert.thurner@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 3:22 AM, Erik Moeller eloquence@gmail.com wrote:
<cut> > the notion that WMF might be a more effective > organization if it limited its own size in favor of focused spin-off > organizations and affiliates. <cut> > I can see three potential benefits from a more federated model: > > 1) Resilience. If any one organization experiences a crisis, other > independent organizations suffer to a lesser degree than departments > within that organization. > > 2) Focus. Wikimedia’s mission is very broad, and an organization with > a clearly defined mandate is less likely to be pulled in many > different directions -- at every level. > > 3) Accountability. Within a less centralized federation, it is easier > to ensure that funding flows to those who do work the movement wants > them to do. > > My experience is that growth tends to be self-reinforcing in budgetary > processes if there are now clear ceilings established. I think that’s > true in almost any organization. There’s always lots of work to do, > and new teams will discover new gaps and areas into which they would > like to expand. Hence, I would argue for the following: > > a) To establish 150 as the provisional ceiling for Wikimedia movement > organizations. This is Dunbar’s number, and it has been used > (sometimes intentionally, sometimes organically) as a limiting number > for religious groups, military companies, corporate divisions, tax > offices, and other human endeavors. [3][4] This is very specifically > because it makes organizational units more manageable and > understandable for those who work there. > > b) To slowly, gradually identify parts of the WMF which would benefit > from being spun off into independent organizations, and to launch such > spin-offs, narrowing WMF's focus in the process. > > c) To aim to more clearly separate funding and evaluation > responsibilities from programmatic work within the movement -- whether > that work is keeping websites running, building software, or doing > GLAM work. <cut> > == Where to go from here? == > > There are lots of open questions in all of this. Should all site-wide > fundraising remain inside WMF, for example, with funds being > transferred to a movement entity? What’s the dividing line between > "development for third parties" (MWF) and "development for Wikimedia" > (WMF)? How would staff transition to new organizations? Where should > those organizations be based? Should they be distributed, have > offices? > > An important thing to remember here (a lesson I’ve had to learn > painfully) is that big changes are best made in small steps, with room > for trial and error. > > Implementing this strategy is, I think, a matter of first committing > to it as an idea, and then creating coherent proposals for each step, > publicly with broad input. First, if there is support for the general > idea, I would recommend kicking it around: Are these the right kinds > of spin-offs? What are the risks and how should existing affiliates be > involved in the process? And so on.
that all sounds quite reasonable. also what erik writes about organisations is to be expected. at the end it all boils down to money. spending all money available and wanting more money never has been a problem. if there is dissent it was always about who has the say what the money is spent on, and where it is spent. i am convinced if we get the responsibilities right, the dissent will stop, and the output will be better.
sizing organizations and distributing responsibilities on a global scale seems to be a very difficult task, close to the soviet empire's task to plan its next 5 years. one could argue to resolve it via setting a financial targets, just as multinational companies do. two simple long term key performance indicators might already do the trick for the wikimedia movement: first "maximum 50% of the money is spent on persons whose life depend financially on the movement", which is employees, or long term contracting persons, organizations, foundations, enterprises. and second, "50% of the money stays in the country where it is donated." the rest will auto-organize, and auto-change. finding intelligent spending for the rest of the 50% should not be a too difficult task, there is sufficient universities and students around the world who would be happy to compete for this money. the success, means and outcome will change over time, in areas and ways nobody can predict today. the 50% are a made up number, a little bit influenced by public spending of 40% - 50% in many industrialized countries nowadays. it seems people accept such a ratio.
whatever the target is, getting acceptance is not simple. currently the WMF at the same time controls the domain and with it money inflow. at the same time WMF spends 90% of the total money, preferably to its own employees. "growth" is such a natural target, no matter in what area that WMF tries to even increase this percentage. from a WMF perspective it is not bad at all. unfortunately it causes eternal struggle, and damages the movements progress. without it wants to do so, the WMF violates its custodian obligations. to me the most natural split therefor seems to separate "domain ownership" (ownership, some legal protection, set key performance indicators, maybe operations/infrastructure, maybe fundraising), and the rest. leave all processes, budgets, affiliates untouched for a couple of years.
to come back to eriks first step, decide if a split makes sense: yes, i am for it. the challenge i personally hope is addressed: get continuously new persons, new ideas, new content, new software implementations into the movement, from all over the world. WMF will never win the competition for talent and ideas in silicon valley only against the likes of facebook or baby facebooks. so we need to go where others are not, and have a hard time to go. people will follow money, and ideals.
best, rupert
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On Mar 19, 2016, at 7:41 AM, rupert THURNER rupert.thurner@gmail.com wrote:
at the end it all boils down to money. spending all money available and wanting more money never has been a problem. if there is dissent it was always about who has the say what the money is spent on, and where it is spent. i am convinced if we get the responsibilities right, the dissent will stop, and the output will be better.
sizing organizations and distributing responsibilities on a global scale seems to be a very difficult task, close to the soviet empire's task to plan its next 5 years. one could argue to resolve it via setting a financial targets, just as multinational companies do. two simple long term key performance indicators might already do the trick for the wikimedia movement: first "maximum 50% of the money is spent on persons whose life depend financially on the movement", which is employees, or long term contracting persons, organizations, foundations, enterprises. and second, "50% of the money stays in the country where it is donated." the rest will auto-organize, and auto-change. finding intelligent spending for the rest of the 50% should not be a too difficult task, there is sufficient universities and students around the world who would be happy to compete for this money. the success, means and outcome will change over time, in areas and ways nobody can predict today. the 50% are a made up number, a little bit influenced by public spending of 40% - 50% in many industrialized countries nowadays. it seems people accept such a ratio.
I... This line of thinking worries me.
In Programming / IT / information companies, there are a number of well known examples of organizations with legendary ineffectiveness measured on a per dollar or per employee basis.
Logic of "we will just control or manage the money flow" is focusing on the wrong end entirely. We need organizations that are effective, and secondarily (for a host of reasons) which people enjoy working in. Neither of those is a result of any accounting focused reform or management approach.
George William Herbert Sent from my iPhone
in breaking up (spinning parts off) the WMF we run the risk of creating silos of information, knowledge and disconnecting one speciality from another preventing cross pollination of ideas and innovation. It also breaks the collaborative core of the projects which has created what we enjoy and at the heart of our volunteer driven successes.
The movement works because diverse group, diverse cultures and diverse ideas are able to come together through a shared principle, when the movement has issues its because of fragmentation, them vs us, or closed cabals acting out their own desires past experienced shows our greatest failures are when we act in isolation and secrecy.
Before spinning of parts or isolating programs from each other we must be looking at ensuring that which has given us the greatest success and which is at our heart the collaboration, the sharing, the diversity are not disrupted because no matter how much is rebuilt the distrust will linger long after the experiments have failed
On 20 March 2016 at 02:44, George Herbert george.herbert@gmail.com wrote:
On Mar 19, 2016, at 7:41 AM, rupert THURNER rupert.thurner@gmail.com
wrote:
at the end it all boils down to money. spending all money available and wanting more money never has been a problem. if there is dissent it was always about who has the say what the money is spent on, and where it is spent. i am convinced if we get the responsibilities right, the dissent will stop, and the output will be better.
sizing organizations and distributing responsibilities on a global scale seems to be a very difficult task, close to the soviet empire's task to plan its next 5 years. one could argue to resolve it via setting a financial targets, just as multinational companies do. two simple long term key performance indicators might already do the trick for the wikimedia movement: first "maximum 50% of the money is spent on persons whose life depend financially on the movement", which is employees, or long term contracting persons, organizations, foundations, enterprises. and second, "50% of the money stays in the country where it is donated." the rest will auto-organize, and auto-change. finding intelligent spending for the rest of the 50% should not be a too difficult task, there is sufficient universities and students around the world who would be happy to compete for this money. the success, means and outcome will change over time, in areas and ways nobody can predict today. the 50% are a made up number, a little bit influenced by public spending of 40% - 50% in many industrialized countries nowadays. it seems people accept such a ratio.
I... This line of thinking worries me.
In Programming / IT / information companies, there are a number of well known examples of organizations with legendary ineffectiveness measured on a per dollar or per employee basis.
Logic of "we will just control or manage the money flow" is focusing on the wrong end entirely. We need organizations that are effective, and secondarily (for a host of reasons) which people enjoy working in. Neither of those is a result of any accounting focused reform or management approach.
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On Mar 19, 2016, at 8:23 PM, Gnangarra gnangarra@gmail.com wrote:
in breaking up (spinning parts off) the WMF we run the risk of creating silos of information, knowledge and disconnecting one speciality from another preventing cross pollination of ideas and innovation. It also breaks the collaborative core of the projects which has created what we enjoy and at the heart of our volunteer driven successes.
I am not uncritically for an organizational breakup. Nor am I against one.
Part of the argument above seems self-contradictory, though - we have already demonstrated that diverse groups across the Foundation, chapters, volunteer groups, etc etc come together effectively. The Movement is characterized in part by that. That would seem to indicate that a reorganization that split part of it up would still be able to work and team up effectively.
Regardless of whether a split is a good idea or happens, grabbing the info on who does what for whom, and why, will help us make it better.
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Erik Moeller writes:
== Potential test case: MediaWiki Foundation ==
A "MediaWiki Foundation" has been proposed a few times and I suspect continues to have some currency within WMF.
This past January at the Developer Summit[1], there was an unconference session for a meeting between the MediaWiki Stakeholders (represented by Cindy Cicalese and myself) and the WMF[2].
This meeting was better attended by WMF staffers than I expected it to be and, with the encouragement of some of those in attendance, we began a series of follow-on meetings to explore interest in and discuss the process around constructing an organisation focused on MediaWiki development - not only for the WMF but also for third party users of MediaWiki (including, as Erik hinted, organisations as diverse the W3C, NASA, NATO, major oil companies and pharmaceuticals).
We've since held three meetings[3][4][5] and have planned two more. During the meeting planned for about six weeks from now[6], we intend to have a format that allows us to respond to questions or concerns from the larger community.
If you would like to be a part of the planning and creation of this organisation, please contact myself, Cindy Cicalese, or Markus Glaser. We welcome your input.
Footnotes: [1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Developer_Summit_2016 [2] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T119403 [3] https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/i8XjsnBxxh/timeslider#5797 [4] https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/MWF20160226/timeslider#959 [5] https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/MWF20160318/timeslider#1334 [6] http://mwstake.org/mwstake/wiki/Event:30
2016-03-21 13:53 GMT-07:00 Mark A. Hershberger mah@nichework.com:
We've since held three meetings[3][4][5] and have planned two more. During the meeting planned for about six weeks from now[6], we intend to have a format that allows us to respond to questions or concerns from the larger community.
This is very encouraging, Mark, thanks for the summary! It sounds like there's already quite a bit of traction for creating a MediaWiki focused organization. I'll try to join the upcoming meetings and provide input/help where I can. Is there an active asynchronous conversation space about this somewhere (talk page, listserv, forum, whatever)? If not, should we use https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:MediaWiki_Stakeholders%27_Group for ongoing conversation about this?
Thanks, Erik
Spinning off comes with issues, as we will encounter issues like we currently have with the QRpedia coding as thats now under the control of WMUK all of the data being collected is sbject to UK provacy issues that resulted in all the reporting functions being shut down... We also add to the issue that when something like this looses local support those us who are active users have no way to get improvements or changes...
- Local laws for where its operated will be an issue - interest in maintaining and development will wain when communities choose other priorities because there isnt a local demand -
The reality is break out areas only generates further expenses with further levels of management, only areas which service outside organisation and can independently revenue generate like the mediawiki should be considered. Like wise travel is an option given how much travel chapters & WMF create using a WMF agency for booking could be beneficial, such an agency could also consider insurance for travellers to cover cameras, laptops, other similar such devices we carry , that would generate a revenue stream and open avenues for event sponsorships.
NO I dont see fundraising department as an independent revenue generating business,
Breaking up the WMF to create more bureaucracy isnt the way go, every thing should still be operated under the ED and BoT
On 25 March 2016 at 07:57, Erik Moeller eloquence@gmail.com wrote:
2016-03-21 13:53 GMT-07:00 Mark A. Hershberger mah@nichework.com:
We've since held three meetings[3][4][5] and have planned two more. During the meeting planned for about six weeks from now[6], we intend to have a format that allows us to respond to questions or concerns from the larger community.
This is very encouraging, Mark, thanks for the summary! It sounds like there's already quite a bit of traction for creating a MediaWiki focused organization. I'll try to join the upcoming meetings and provide input/help where I can. Is there an active asynchronous conversation space about this somewhere (talk page, listserv, forum, whatever)? If not, should we use https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:MediaWiki_Stakeholders%27_Group for ongoing conversation about this?
Thanks, Erik
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Hi!
On 03/17/2016 07:22 PM, Erik Moeller wrote:
I can see three potential benefits from a more federated model:
- Resilience. If any one organization experiences a crisis, other
independent organizations suffer to a lesser degree than departments within that organization.
- Focus. Wikimedia’s mission is very broad, and an organization with
a clearly defined mandate is less likely to be pulled in many different directions -- at every level.
- Accountability. Within a less centralized federation, it is easier
to ensure that funding flows to those who do work the movement wants them to do.
I strongly agree with you.
== Where to go from here? ==
<snip>
An important thing to remember here (a lesson I’ve had to learn painfully) is that big changes are best made in small steps, with room for trial and error.
I also agree with this too. :) In my candidate statement[1] for the current board election, I outlined a vision where existing affiliates would do some of the technical work that the WMF currently does (or doesn't). Many of the existing affiliates already have legal infrastructure and staff in place, and would require less bootstrapping than an entirely new organization, which should make it easier to test and demonstrate that a federated model will work, and be an advantage to the movement. One downside would be that regional chapters may be less focused (benefit #2) compared to say, an organization specifically dedicated to non-WMF MediaWiki development (I don't like the term third-party).
The fact that WMF has just experienced a major organizational crisis should not itself fill us with pessimism and despair. But we also shouldn’t ignore it. We must learn from it and do what reason tells us -- and in my view that is to build a more resilient _federation_ of organizations than what we have today.
+1.
[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliate-selected_Board_seats/2016/Nominati...
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Hi Eloquence
Since the "Mediawiki" trademark was lost to WMF the day you and Anthere placed the logo into public domain [1], how can the WMF now spin-off this new organization ?.
Am I correct in assuming the Mediawiki software can be forked by anybody interested along with attribution ?
Regards
Dave
[1] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:MediaWiki.svg
On 3/18/16, Erik Moeller eloquence@gmail.com wrote:
Hi folks,
== Potential test case: MediaWiki Foundation ==
A "MediaWiki Foundation" [5] has been proposed a few times and I suspect continues to have some currency within WMF. This org would not be focused on all WMF-related development work, but specifically on MediaWiki as software that has value to third parties. Its mission could include hosting services as earned income (and potentially as an extension of the Wikimedia movement’s mission).
On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 8:48 AM, David Emrany david.emrany@gmail.com wrote:
Since the "Mediawiki" trademark was lost to WMF the day you and Anthere placed the logo into public domain [1], how can the WMF now spin-off this new organization ?.
That's incorrect, putting something in the public domain does not remove trademark rights. In fact, trademark rights are often on names, which are almost without exception public domain copyrightwise.
Am I correct in assuming the Mediawiki software can be forked by anybody interested along with attribution ?
Attribution only is not enough, it is licensed under GPL, which means that a fork will also have to be under the same license. The essence of the license is the same as that of the CC-BY-SA that Wikipedia is under, the differences mostly have to do with technical points because of the different way in which computer programs are used compared to texts or artwork.
2016-03-24 3:35 GMT-07:00 Andre Engels andreengels@gmail.com:
Since the "Mediawiki" trademark was lost to WMF the day you and Anthere placed the logo into public domain [1], how can the WMF now spin-off this new organization ?.
That's incorrect, putting something in the public domain does not remove trademark rights.
Indeed, acknowledging that it did not need to enforce strong copyrights on the logos to protect the trademarks, WMF released all its remaining non-free logos under CC-BY-SA in October 2014: https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/10/24/wikimedia-logos-have-been-freed/
"MediaWiki" is an internationally registered trademark, as you can verify e.g., through http://www.wipo.int/branddb/en/
Erik
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