Hello everyone,
Wikimedia has been accepted as a mentor organization in the Google Summer of Code 2019 with 207 open source projects https://opensource.googleblog.com/2019/02/gsoc-2019-organizations.html :) And, application period for Outreachy Round 18 started last week.
We have listed a few ideas for projects for both programs on MediaWiki and we are looking for more. Unlike Google Summer of Code, Outreachy is open to non-students and non-coders and projects could be around documentation, design, translation research, outreach, etc. View current list of ideas:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/2019
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Outreachy/Round_18
Both these programs have a similar timeline for the summer round. Accepted candidates will work with mentors from May to August 2019. If you are interested in mentoring a project, create a task on Phabricator and tag it with #outreach-programs-projects and #Google-Summer-of-Code (2019) or #Outreachy (Round 18). You can also choose to mentor for projects already on outreach-programs-projects https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/outreach-programs-projects/ workboard. Remember, every project must have two mentors.
Some helpful resources for you: * Learn more about the roles and responsibilities of a mentor: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/Mentors https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Outreachy/Mentors
* View full program timeline: https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/timeline https://www.outreachy.org/apply/project-selection/
Looking forward to your participation! :)
Cheers,
Srishti, Derick and Pratyush (Wikimedia org admins)
*Srishti Sethi* Developer Advocate Wikimedia Foundation https://wikimediafoundation.org/
We have a lot of amazing potential projects that just missed the selection criteria for the community wish list in 2019
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist_Survey_2019/Results
Would some of these quality as projects?
James
On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 2:11 PM Srishti Sethi ssethi@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hello everyone,
Wikimedia has been accepted as a mentor organization in the Google Summer of Code 2019 with 207 open source projects https://opensource.googleblog.com/2019/02/gsoc-2019-organizations.html :) And, application period for Outreachy Round 18 started last week.
We have listed a few ideas for projects for both programs on MediaWiki and we are looking for more. Unlike Google Summer of Code, Outreachy is open to non-students and non-coders and projects could be around documentation, design, translation research, outreach, etc. View current list of ideas:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/2019
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Outreachy/Round_18
Both these programs have a similar timeline for the summer round. Accepted candidates will work with mentors from May to August 2019. If you are interested in mentoring a project, create a task on Phabricator and tag it with #outreach-programs-projects and #Google-Summer-of-Code (2019) or #Outreachy (Round 18). You can also choose to mentor for projects already on outreach-programs-projects https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/outreach-programs-projects/ workboard. Remember, every project must have two mentors.
Some helpful resources for you:
- Learn more about the roles and responsibilities of a mentor:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/Mentors https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Outreachy/Mentors
- View full program timeline:
https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/timeline https://www.outreachy.org/apply/project-selection/
Looking forward to your participation! :)
Cheers,
Srishti, Derick and Pratyush (Wikimedia org admins)
*Srishti Sethi* Developer Advocate Wikimedia Foundation https://wikimediafoundation.org/ _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Yeah, we can! But, we need projects with a clear scope and two mentors who are willing to provide guidance to students throughout the summer (May-August) as they develop their projects. And, this is not necessarily the case with community wishlist projects that are not in the top 10. In the past, we have tried to promote the wishlist projects through our outreach programs but couldn't make any progress.
If any developer is interested in mentoring a project from the wishlist, I would be happy to chat with them!
*Srishti Sethi* Developer Advocate Wikimedia Foundation https://wikimediafoundation.org/
On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 7:01 PM James Heilman jmh649@gmail.com wrote:
We have a lot of amazing potential projects that just missed the selection criteria for the community wish list in 2019
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist_Survey_2019/Results
Would some of these quality as projects?
James
On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 2:11 PM Srishti Sethi ssethi@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hello everyone,
Wikimedia has been accepted as a mentor organization in the Google Summer of Code 2019 with 207 open source projects https://opensource.googleblog.com/2019/02/gsoc-2019-organizations.html :) And, application period for Outreachy Round 18 started last week.
We have listed a few ideas for projects for both programs on MediaWiki and we are looking for more. Unlike Google Summer of Code, Outreachy is open to non-students and non-coders and projects could be around documentation, design, translation research, outreach, etc. View current list of ideas:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/2019
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Outreachy/Round_18
Both these programs have a similar timeline for the summer round. Accepted candidates will work with mentors from May to August 2019. If you are interested in mentoring a project, create a task on Phabricator and tag it with #outreach-programs-projects and #Google-Summer-of-Code (2019) or #Outreachy (Round 18). You can also choose to mentor for projects already on outreach-programs-projects https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/outreach-programs-projects/ workboard. Remember, every project must have two mentors.
Some helpful resources for you:
- Learn more about the roles and responsibilities of a mentor:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/Mentors https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Outreachy/Mentors
- View full program timeline:
https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/timeline https://www.outreachy.org/apply/project-selection/
Looking forward to your participation! :)
Cheers,
Srishti, Derick and Pratyush (Wikimedia org admins)
*Srishti Sethi* Developer Advocate Wikimedia Foundation https://wikimediafoundation.org/ _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
-- James Heilman MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian
Hi James,
I'd like to emphasize the point (so that non-devs are aware) that outreach programs are generally more work for a mentor than "just implement the feature yourself" would be. I.e. The mentors generally have to help onboard the newcomer and get their tools setup properly, and then understand the feature that is being built better than the newcomer does, and other additional tasks. The tangential outcomes can be hugely beneficial -- training a new community member, helping identify weaknesses in our existing docs, often finding other new bugs which the mentee will describe very clearly, helping the mentor understand new areas, etc -- but outreach programs are definitely not a shortcut to getting more wishlist items completed quickly. They often require more time-resources, not fewer.
The other important aspect for many community wishlist items in particular, is that they are often "wishlist items" because they are very complicated (for technical or social reasons) and hence have not been done for many years. If they were (relatively) simple enough for a newcomer to complete, they would've already been solved years ago!
Cheers,
On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 10:36 AM Srishti Sethi ssethi@wikimedia.org wrote:
Yeah, we can! But, we need projects with a clear scope and two mentors who are willing to provide guidance to students throughout the summer (May-August) as they develop their projects. And, this is not necessarily the case with community wishlist projects that are not in the top 10. In the past, we have tried to promote the wishlist projects through our outreach programs but couldn't make any progress.
If any developer is interested in mentoring a project from the wishlist, I would be happy to chat with them!
*Srishti Sethi* Developer Advocate Wikimedia Foundation https://wikimediafoundation.org/
On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 7:01 PM James Heilman jmh649@gmail.com wrote:
We have a lot of amazing potential projects that just missed the
selection
criteria for the community wish list in 2019
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist_Survey_2019/Results
Would some of these quality as projects?
James
On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 2:11 PM Srishti Sethi ssethi@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hello everyone,
Wikimedia has been accepted as a mentor organization in the Google
Summer
of Code 2019 with 207 open source projects <https://opensource.googleblog.com/2019/02/gsoc-2019-organizations.html
:) And, application period for Outreachy Round 18 started last week.
We have listed a few ideas for projects for both programs on MediaWiki
and
we are looking for more. Unlike Google Summer of Code, Outreachy is open to non-students and non-coders and projects could be around documentation, design, translation research, outreach, etc. View current list of ideas:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/2019
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Outreachy/Round_18
Both these programs have a similar timeline for the summer round.
Accepted
candidates will work with mentors from May to August 2019. If you are interested in mentoring a project, create a task on Phabricator and tag
it
with #outreach-programs-projects and #Google-Summer-of-Code (2019) or #Outreachy (Round 18). You can also choose to mentor for projects
already
on outreach-programs-projects https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/outreach-programs-projects/ workboard. Remember, every project must have two mentors.
Some helpful resources for you:
- Learn more about the roles and responsibilities of a mentor:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/Mentors https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Outreachy/Mentors
- View full program timeline:
https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/timeline https://www.outreachy.org/apply/project-selection/
Looking forward to your participation! :)
Cheers,
Srishti, Derick and Pratyush (Wikimedia org admins)
*Srishti Sethi* Developer Advocate Wikimedia Foundation https://wikimediafoundation.org/ _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
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As Srishti says, community wishlist items tend to be very under-defined, with open-ended and ambiguous deliverables, and exist in complex spaces. These things are okay because the people handling them are professionals who are trained specifically to distill open-ended projects into specific deliverables, and because the contract with community wishlist items is specifically *not* that the items will be done, but that the items will be evaluated and responded to.
On the other hand, projects like GSoC are aimed at training and mentoring people new to software development on best practices, coding paradigms, and so on. The students need very well-defined, specific projects in order to succeed, and wishlist items tend not to have these characteristics. Simply funnelling wishlist items directly into GSoC would set up the participants for failure.
So, some kind of refinement of the wishlist items is needed. Now, it *is* possible to distill certain wishlist items down into small, byte-sized, well-defined GSoC projects, for sure. But that will take time, user research, resourcing, etc. I think that's worth doing, but it is a resourcing question, and we need to ask the question of what other work the product folks will drop in order to make that happen.
Dan
On Wed, 27 Feb 2019 at 03:01, James Heilman jmh649@gmail.com wrote:
We have a lot of amazing potential projects that just missed the selection criteria for the community wish list in 2019
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist_Survey_2019/Results
Would some of these quality as projects?
James
On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 2:11 PM Srishti Sethi ssethi@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hello everyone,
Wikimedia has been accepted as a mentor organization in the Google Summer of Code 2019 with 207 open source projects https://opensource.googleblog.com/2019/02/gsoc-2019-organizations.html :) And, application period for Outreachy Round 18 started last week.
We have listed a few ideas for projects for both programs on MediaWiki
and
we are looking for more. Unlike Google Summer of Code, Outreachy is open
to
non-students and non-coders and projects could be around documentation, design, translation research, outreach, etc. View current list of ideas:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/2019
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Outreachy/Round_18
Both these programs have a similar timeline for the summer round.
Accepted
candidates will work with mentors from May to August 2019. If you are interested in mentoring a project, create a task on Phabricator and tag
it
with #outreach-programs-projects and #Google-Summer-of-Code (2019) or #Outreachy (Round 18). You can also choose to mentor for projects already on outreach-programs-projects https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/outreach-programs-projects/ workboard. Remember, every project must have two mentors.
Some helpful resources for you:
- Learn more about the roles and responsibilities of a mentor:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/Mentors https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Outreachy/Mentors
- View full program timeline:
https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/timeline https://www.outreachy.org/apply/project-selection/
Looking forward to your participation! :)
Cheers,
Srishti, Derick and Pratyush (Wikimedia org admins)
*Srishti Sethi* Developer Advocate Wikimedia Foundation https://wikimediafoundation.org/ _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
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