According to this post, http://briandeutsch.blogspot.com/2009/03/google-korea-youtube-korea-to-begin... ,
"Google, the world’s largest Internet company, has finally submitted to South Korea‘s unprecedented Internet regulations, including agreeing to implement a “real name” system in which any South Korean can post their contents only after they confirm their resident registration number."
Wikipedia have to response to this regulation.
Any site which has more than 100,000 visitors for a day have to implement real name system according to the regulation. We have to check the number of visitors from South Korea. If we have more than that, we have to decide if we will allow editing or not from South Korea.
It's a serious challenge for Wikipedia.
-Cheol
"oncurrently April 1 is when the amendment to South Korea’s Act on the Promotion of Information and Communications Network Utilization and User Protection will go into effect". That date smells ;-)
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 6:53 AM, RYU Cheol rcheol@gmail.com wrote:
According to this post,
http://briandeutsch.blogspot.com/2009/03/google-korea-youtube-korea-to-begin... ,
"Google, the world’s largest Internet company, has finally submitted to South Korea‘s unprecedented Internet regulations, including agreeing to implement a “real name” system in which any South Korean can post their contents only after they confirm their resident registration number."
Wikipedia have to response to this regulation.
Any site which has more than 100,000 visitors for a day have to implement real name system according to the regulation. We have to check the number of visitors from South Korea. If we have more than that, we have to decide if we will allow editing or not from South Korea.
It's a serious challenge for Wikipedia.
-Cheol
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Yap, it's silly. But it's happening in Korea.
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/biz/2009/04/123_42862.html
2009/4/9 teun spaans teun.spaans@gmail.com:
"oncurrently April 1 is when the amendment to South Korea’s Act on the Promotion of Information and Communications Network Utilization and User Protection will go into effect". That date smells ;-)
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 6:53 AM, RYU Cheol rcheol@gmail.com wrote:
According to this post,
http://briandeutsch.blogspot.com/2009/03/google-korea-youtube-korea-to-begin... ,
"Google, the world’s largest Internet company, has finally submitted to South Korea‘s unprecedented Internet regulations, including agreeing to implement a “real name” system in which any South Korean can post their contents only after they confirm their resident registration number."
Wikipedia have to response to this regulation.
Any site which has more than 100,000 visitors for a day have to implement real name system according to the regulation. We have to check the number of visitors from South Korea. If we have more than that, we have to decide if we will allow editing or not from South Korea.
It's a serious challenge for Wikipedia.
-Cheol
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RYU Cheol wrote:
Yap, it's silly. But it's happening in Korea.
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/biz/2009/04/123_42862.html
However, this story indicates that contrary to the earlier report, Google (specifically YouTube) is *not* implementing such a system. I don't know their reasons or what legal analysis was involved, and I hesitate to base my understanding of this law on translated news reports. But I can't imagine why we would try to block South Koreans from contributing, whether or not they comply with the requirements described.
--Michael Snow
Until today they were considering to implement, but finally they decided to abandon the business in South Korea. Nobody who set his profile to South Korea cannot upload video and cannot comments on Youtube. Now you got it?
-Cheol
2009/4/9 Michael Snow wikipedia@verizon.net:
RYU Cheol wrote:
Yap, it's silly. But it's happening in Korea.
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/biz/2009/04/123_42862.html
However, this story indicates that contrary to the earlier report, Google (specifically YouTube) is *not* implementing such a system. I don't know their reasons or what legal analysis was involved, and I hesitate to base my understanding of this law on translated news reports. But I can't imagine why we would try to block South Koreans from contributing, whether or not they comply with the requirements described.
--Michael Snow
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Assuming it isn't an April Fool's joke, the fact remains that the Wikimedia Foundation is not bound to abide by the laws of South Korea. Google had business there, presumably, while the Foundation does not.
Nathan
I'm not sure what you mean by no business in South Korea. The foundation is in Florida, so you don't need to abide by the law of United Kingdom?
But I'm an contributing editor of Wikipedia residing in South Korea and some of ko.wp editors are preparing to establish South Korea chapter to promote Free Culture Movement. South Korean editors have to abide by the regulations of Korean government.
I want to know if we have visitors more than 100,000 from South Korea or not?
-Cheol
2009/4/9 Nathan nawrich@gmail.com:
Assuming it isn't an April Fool's joke, the fact remains that the Wikimedia Foundation is not bound to abide by the laws of South Korea. Google had business there, presumably, while the Foundation does not.
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No, in most cases we don't have to abide by the law tof the United Kingdom.
There are hundreds of countries in the world, each with their own different laws, some seemingly quite draconian when it comes to what content is allowed. Imagine, in North Korea the things we say about Kim Jong-il are probably illegal, but we don't have to follow their law because our website is based in... Florida.
Mark
2009/4/9 RYU Cheol rcheol@gmail.com:
I'm not sure what you mean by no business in South Korea. The foundation is in Florida, so you don't need to abide by the law of United Kingdom?
But I'm an contributing editor of Wikipedia residing in South Korea and some of ko.wp editors are preparing to establish South Korea chapter to promote Free Culture Movement. South Korean editors have to abide by the regulations of Korean government.
I want to know if we have visitors more than 100,000 from South Korea or not?
-Cheol
2009/4/9 Nathan nawrich@gmail.com:
Assuming it isn't an April Fool's joke, the fact remains that the Wikimedia Foundation is not bound to abide by the laws of South Korea. Google had business there, presumably, while the Foundation does not.
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Of course, we can decide to follow or not, and I hope we decide not to.
I want you to be informed that we have the risk to be blocked from South Korea and we could loose editors from South Korea.
I suggest we make a voice against South Korean government, 'cause I don't want to say good bye to you all.
--Cheol
2009/4/10 Mark Williamson node.ue@gmail.com:
No, in most cases we don't have to abide by the law tof the United Kingdom.
There are hundreds of countries in the world, each with their own different laws, some seemingly quite draconian when it comes to what content is allowed. Imagine, in North Korea the things we say about Kim Jong-il are probably illegal, but we don't have to follow their law because our website is based in... Florida.
Mark
2009/4/9 RYU Cheol rcheol@gmail.com:
I'm not sure what you mean by no business in South Korea. The foundation is in Florida, so you don't need to abide by the law of United Kingdom?
But I'm an contributing editor of Wikipedia residing in South Korea and some of ko.wp editors are preparing to establish South Korea chapter to promote Free Culture Movement. South Korean editors have to abide by the regulations of Korean government.
I want to know if we have visitors more than 100,000 from South Korea or not?
-Cheol
2009/4/9 Nathan nawrich@gmail.com:
Assuming it isn't an April Fool's joke, the fact remains that the Wikimedia Foundation is not bound to abide by the laws of South Korea. Google had business there, presumably, while the Foundation does not.
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On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 10:24, RYU Cheol rcheol@gmail.com wrote:
I suggest we make a voice against South Korean government, 'cause I don't want to say good bye to you all.
If a similar law would be adopted in one of the Western countries, mass campaigns and protests would be inevitable. Perhaps we should expect something like this from Koreans as well?
— Kalan
On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Kalan kalan.001@gmail.com wrote:
If a similar law would be adopted in one of the Western countries, mass campaigns and protests would be inevitable. Perhaps we should expect something like this from Koreans as well?
— Kalan
There is a protest of course, including an ongoing suit in the Constitutional Court to judge the unconstitutionality of the law.
Still millions of people here are supporting the law, since they attribute the cause of the recent suicides of celebrities to the dishonoring gossips about them spreading around in the internet, and they believe that the obligating people's own personal identifications to websites would help to prevent any immorality.
-- [[ko:User:PuzzletChung]]
Hello Cheol,
first of all, we are all very concerned about this issue and we are still sorting things out. So more informations especially from you in the country would be of great value.
To your question at first: According to the comScore data ( http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Stu/comScore ) the Korean Wikipedia had in February 2009 more than 1.1 million visitors. I suppose most of them come from South Korea, so, yes, we have quite certain more than 100,000 visitors from South Korea.
My understanding about Google and YouTube is that they decided to close down their subsidiary in South Korea. There are two things that I don't understand at the moment: First, as far as I know companies that are based in South Korea or have subsidiaries there have to obey the law. But how is it with companies outside of South Korea? Is it in the text of the law that website of such companies could be blocked? The second thing that I don't quite understand until now is that it seems they had submitted the law but have decided not to enforce it. Is that the situation at the moment? (This is in so far confusing for me as it says that the gouvernment itself doesn't obey or doesn't expect its citizen to obey the law of the country, which put the total legal system in question.)
A rough translation of the law (or the critical part of it) would be helpful for us to judge the situation.
Though the reason for your mail is not happy I am happy that you contacted us here. The korean community is until now very very underpresented here and the prospect to have a chapter there one day is very exciting.
Ting
RYU Cheol wrote:
I'm not sure what you mean by no business in South Korea. The foundation is in Florida, so you don't need to abide by the law of United Kingdom?
But I'm an contributing editor of Wikipedia residing in South Korea and some of ko.wp editors are preparing to establish South Korea chapter to promote Free Culture Movement. South Korean editors have to abide by the regulations of Korean government.
I want to know if we have visitors more than 100,000 from South Korea or not?
-Cheol
2009/4/9 Nathan nawrich@gmail.com:
Assuming it isn't an April Fool's joke, the fact remains that the Wikimedia Foundation is not bound to abide by the laws of South Korea. Google had business there, presumably, while the Foundation does not.
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