Some of the key tool's which I use on a daily basis (and their workarounds) no longer work.
The tool I use the most of any is the autofill for PMID and ISBN's. The one in the edit box has not worked for some time and the backup http://diberri.crabdance.com/cgi-bin/templatefiller/index.cgi? stopped working today. The second backup still works a bit thankfully https://toolserver.org/~holek/cite-gen/index.php
Another great tool is the dashboard. Its toolserver account has expired. http://wikidashboard.appspot.com/enwiki/wiki/Obesity I find this strange that if a users account has expired all the tools stop working. This would be like if I stopped editing Wikipedia for a couple of months than all my contributions would be deleted.
So the question is should the WMF be helping keep some of these tools up and running? Many of us long term editors have come to heavily rely on them.
Yeah..I've noticed that with a lot of tools, whether on the toolserver or on labs. The tool I use monthly is:
http://tools.wmflabs.org/glamtools/treeviews/
I ping Magnus all the time and he does his best to fix any issues and now i just feel like a broken record each month. It is stifling my reports as a Wikipedian in Residence to UNESCO and the Library of Congress :(
It's really tough to function without it, and so many other tools anymore.
-Sarah
On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 10:24 AM, James Heilman jmh649@gmail.com wrote:
Some of the key tool's which I use on a daily basis (and their workarounds) no longer work.
The tool I use the most of any is the autofill for PMID and ISBN's. The one in the edit box has not worked for some time and the backup http://diberri.crabdance.com/cgi-bin/templatefiller/index.cgi? stopped working today. The second backup still works a bit thankfully https://toolserver.org/~holek/cite-gen/index.php
Another great tool is the dashboard. Its toolserver account has expired. http://wikidashboard.appspot.com/enwiki/wiki/Obesity I find this strange that if a users account has expired all the tools stop working. This would be like if I stopped editing Wikipedia for a couple of months than all my contributions would be deleted.
So the question is should the WMF be helping keep some of these tools up and running? Many of us long term editors have come to heavily rely on them. -- James Heilman MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian
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Actually the toolserver's practice is not deactivating inactive users. Users accounts are active for 6 months. One month before the account is set to expire they start to receive email notifications . There are no less than 6 reminders sent out before the account is disabled. It takes less than 3 minutes to log into the toolserver and renew your account Its just a single command. If a tool author cannot do that, the odds are the tool is no longer being supported and that issues about the tool are not being fixed. In most cases disabling the account is the correct thing to do.
On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 1:26 PM, Sarah Stierch sarah.stierch@gmail.comwrote:
Yeah..I've noticed that with a lot of tools, whether on the toolserver or on labs. The tool I use monthly is:
http://tools.wmflabs.org/glamtools/treeviews/
I ping Magnus all the time and he does his best to fix any issues and now i just feel like a broken record each month. It is stifling my reports as a Wikipedian in Residence to UNESCO and the Library of Congress :(
It's really tough to function without it, and so many other tools anymore.
-Sarah
On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 10:24 AM, James Heilman jmh649@gmail.com wrote:
Some of the key tool's which I use on a daily basis (and their
workarounds)
no longer work.
The tool I use the most of any is the autofill for PMID and ISBN's. The
one
in the edit box has not worked for some time and the backup http://diberri.crabdance.com/cgi-bin/templatefiller/index.cgi? stopped working today. The second backup still works a bit thankfully https://toolserver.org/~holek/cite-gen/index.php
Another great tool is the dashboard. Its toolserver account has expired. http://wikidashboard.appspot.com/enwiki/wiki/Obesity I find this strange that if a users account has expired all the tools stop working. This
would
be like if I stopped editing Wikipedia for a couple of months than all my contributions would be deleted.
So the question is should the WMF be helping keep some of these tools up and running? Many of us long term editors have come to heavily rely on them. -- James Heilman MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian
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Sarah Stierch, 09/09/2013 19:26:
Yeah..I've noticed that with a lot of tools, whether on the toolserver or on labs. The tool I use monthly is:
http://tools.wmflabs.org/glamtools/treeviews/
I ping Magnus all the time and he does his best to fix any issues and now i just feel like a broken record each month. It is stifling my reports as a Wikipedian in Residence to UNESCO and the Library of Congress :(
It's really tough to function without it, and so many other tools anymore.
That's https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42259 The lack of basic pageview stats service from WMF has also been briefly discussed at http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2013-September/071714.html
Nemo
Maybe it is time to consider taking highly useful but less maintained bots and adding them to Wikipedia architecture. Wmf can offer (not force) to take them over. On Sep 9, 2013 2:22 PM, "Federico Leva (Nemo)" nemowiki@gmail.com wrote:
Sarah Stierch, 09/09/2013 19:26:
Yeah..I've noticed that with a lot of tools, whether on the toolserver or on labs. The tool I use monthly is:
http://tools.wmflabs.org/**glamtools/treeviews/http://tools.wmflabs.org/glamtools/treeviews/
I ping Magnus all the time and he does his best to fix any issues and now i just feel like a broken record each month. It is stifling my reports as a Wikipedian in Residence to UNESCO and the Library of Congress :(
It's really tough to function without it, and so many other tools anymore.
That's https://bugzilla.wikimedia.**org/show_bug.cgi?id=42259https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42259 The lack of basic pageview stats service from WMF has also been briefly discussed at http://lists.wikimedia.org/**pipermail/wikitech-l/2013-** September/071714.htmlhttp://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2013-September/071714.html
Nemo
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Rand McRanderson, 09/09/2013 20:30:
Maybe it is time to consider taking highly useful but less maintained bots
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42259 is only a request for almost-raw data to be provided to tools, it's not about taking over bots or tools.
and adding them to Wikipedia architecture. Wmf can offer (not force) to take them over.
Instead, the WMF forced (not offered) to kill them all in few months when they'll kill the Toolserver. ;-) So let's focus on feasible things like bug 42259 instead.
Nemo
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