Hello fellows!
Since the end of the last year some contributors from pt.wikipedia are discussing regarding the idea of including the promotion of our Facebook Page on site Notice [1]
That proposal was started by Teles, a Brazilian steward. He received a lot of local support.
The general idea is to bring more people from Facebook to access Wikipedia through our Facebook page, but what we are doing is redirecting users from pt.wikipedia to Facebook and including a free Facebook ads on pt.wikipedia.
I would like to know if it is ok for the Wikimedia Movement and if this kind of Facebook promotional campaign was proposed and published in other wikipedias/wikimedia projects.
[1] https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Esplanada/propostas/Inserir_p%C...
Best regards
Rodrigo Padula Coordenador de Projetos Grupo Wikimedia Brasileiro de Educação e Pesquisa http://www.wikimedia.org.br +55 21 99326-0558
Hello Rodrigo,
on Bulgarian Wikipedia we put a text asking readers to like our Facebook page, our Twitter and Google+ accounts, as well to visit our blog [1]. The Facebook likes went up from 1923 to 5381 in a month, 126 people followed us on Twitter (virtually nobody did it before that), 123 people followed us on Google+ and the reader numbers on our blog went significantly up (I don't have the data right now). Nobody in the community objected to this and we would probably do it again some day. We decided to remove it after a month, because we saw that the number of new likes declined over time.
Best regards, Nikola (User:Лорд Бъмбъри https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Лорд_Бъмбъри) Wikimedians of Bulgaria
[1] https://bg.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%D0%9C%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F%D0... (it says "Like the page of Wikipedia in Bulgarian on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/WikipediaBG. You can also follow us on Twitter https://twitter.com/WikipediaBG and Google+ https://plus.google.com/103033788118241359476/posts as well as visit our blog http://blog.wikimedia.org/").
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On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 2:42 PM, Rodrigo Padula < rodrigopadula@wikimedia.org.br> wrote:
Hello fellows!
Since the end of the last year some contributors from pt.wikipedia are discussing regarding the idea of including the promotion of our Facebook Page on site Notice [1]
That proposal was started by Teles, a Brazilian steward. He received a lot of local support.
The general idea is to bring more people from Facebook to access Wikipedia through our Facebook page, but what we are doing is redirecting users from pt.wikipedia to Facebook and including a free Facebook ads on pt.wikipedia.
I would like to know if it is ok for the Wikimedia Movement and if this kind of Facebook promotional campaign was proposed and published in other wikipedias/wikimedia projects.
[1] https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Esplanada/propostas/Inserir_p%C...
Best regards
Rodrigo Padula Coordenador de Projetos Grupo Wikimedia Brasileiro de Educação e Pesquisa http://www.wikimedia.org.br +55 21 99326-0558
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Nikola - but does it bring any added value to Wikipedia? Does number of active editors in Bulgarian Wikipedia increased because of it? Can you see it in Wikipedia statics? IMHO it is the only thing which might legitimate such an action.
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2016-02-19 1:41 GMT+01:00 Nikola Kalchev nikola.kalchev@gmail.com:
Hello Rodrigo,
on Bulgarian Wikipedia we put a text asking readers to like our Facebook page, our Twitter and Google+ accounts, as well to visit our blog [1]. The Facebook likes went up from 1923 to 5381 in a month, 126 people followed us on Twitter (virtually nobody did it before that), 123 people followed us on Google+ and the reader numbers on our blog went significantly up (I don't have the data right now). Nobody in the community objected to this and we would probably do it again some day. We decided to remove it after a month, because we saw that the number of new likes declined over time.
Best regards, Nikola (User:Лорд Бъмбъри https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Лорд_Бъмбъри) Wikimedians of Bulgaria
[1]
https://bg.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%D0%9C%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F%D0... (it says "Like the page of Wikipedia in Bulgarian on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/WikipediaBG. You can also follow us on Twitter https://twitter.com/WikipediaBG and Google+ https://plus.google.com/103033788118241359476/posts as well as visit our blog http://blog.wikimedia.org/").
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On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 2:42 PM, Rodrigo Padula < rodrigopadula@wikimedia.org.br> wrote:
Hello fellows!
Since the end of the last year some contributors from pt.wikipedia are discussing regarding the idea of including the promotion of our Facebook Page on site Notice [1]
That proposal was started by Teles, a Brazilian steward. He received a
lot
of local support.
The general idea is to bring more people from Facebook to access
Wikipedia
through our Facebook page, but what we are doing is redirecting users
from
pt.wikipedia to Facebook and including a free Facebook ads on
pt.wikipedia.
I would like to know if it is ok for the Wikimedia Movement and if this kind of Facebook promotional campaign was proposed and published in other wikipedias/wikimedia projects.
[1]
https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Esplanada/propostas/Inserir_p%C...
Best regards
Rodrigo Padula Coordenador de Projetos Grupo Wikimedia Brasileiro de Educação e Pesquisa http://www.wikimedia.org.br +55 21 99326-0558
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The Macedonian community has also had success attracting attention to their social media channels via Facebook etc. links on sitenotice for a while. I believe they reached a staggering number of likes (~35000 was it?), from next to nothing. Those social media channels seem to have been used to considerable effect in drawing attention and attracting contributors to events like WLM.
This was discussed at the Wikimedia Central and Eastern European Meeting 2014. Notes from that session are still on Etherpad[1].
CCing Bojan for potential additional details.
A.
[1] https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/ceem14-pr
On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 1:39 AM, Tomasz Ganicz polimerek@gmail.com wrote:
Nikola - but does it bring any added value to Wikipedia? Does number of active editors in Bulgarian Wikipedia increased because of it? Can you see it in Wikipedia statics? IMHO it is the only thing which might legitimate such an action.
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2016-02-19 1:41 GMT+01:00 Nikola Kalchev nikola.kalchev@gmail.com:
Hello Rodrigo,
on Bulgarian Wikipedia we put a text asking readers to like our Facebook page, our Twitter and Google+ accounts, as well to visit our blog [1].
The
Facebook likes went up from 1923 to 5381 in a month, 126 people followed
us
on Twitter (virtually nobody did it before that), 123 people followed us
on
Google+ and the reader numbers on our blog went significantly up (I don't have the data right now). Nobody in the community objected to this and we would probably do it again some day. We decided to remove it after a
month,
because we saw that the number of new likes declined over time.
Best regards, Nikola (User:Лорд Бъмбъри https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Лорд_Бъмбъри) Wikimedians of Bulgaria
[1]
https://bg.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%D0%9C%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F%D0...
(it says "Like the page of Wikipedia in Bulgarian on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/WikipediaBG. You can also follow us on
https://twitter.com/WikipediaBG and Google+ https://plus.google.com/103033788118241359476/posts as well as visit
our
blog http://blog.wikimedia.org/").
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On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 2:42 PM, Rodrigo Padula < rodrigopadula@wikimedia.org.br> wrote:
Hello fellows!
Since the end of the last year some contributors from pt.wikipedia are discussing regarding the idea of including the promotion of our
Page on site Notice [1]
That proposal was started by Teles, a Brazilian steward. He received a
lot
of local support.
The general idea is to bring more people from Facebook to access
Wikipedia
through our Facebook page, but what we are doing is redirecting users
from
pt.wikipedia to Facebook and including a free Facebook ads on
pt.wikipedia.
I would like to know if it is ok for the Wikimedia Movement and if this kind of Facebook promotional campaign was proposed and published in
other
wikipedias/wikimedia projects.
[1]
https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Esplanada/propostas/Inserir_p%C...
Best regards
Rodrigo Padula Coordenador de Projetos Grupo Wikimedia Brasileiro de Educação e Pesquisa http://www.wikimedia.org.br +55 21 99326-0558
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During the WLE an WLM 2015 we created and published some paid campaigns inside Facebook to reach more people and bring people from Facebook to our contest's pages inside Wikipedia.
IMHO that it's a good approach, but add a direct link inside wikipedia to commercial sites/social networks are not a good idea, mainly thinking about privacy, net neutrality and compatibility with our movement mission. In that way we are redirecting people from Wikipedia to external sites.
The other problem is, don't matter if we have 5.000 or 1.000.000 of likes in a Facebook page, to reach that public we always have to pay Facebook ads to increase reach.
The Facebook is always cutting post's reach to stimulate publishers to pay more money to reach more people.
Basically we reach more people and get more views and clicks adding USD$10,00 to a Facebook post than having a page with 100.000 likes.
Including, offer an option to promote paid ads only to people that liked your page and their friends.
So, it's getting hard to grow on Facebook in a organic way, don't matter how many likes or friends do you have.
Rodrigo Padula Coordenador de Projetos Grupo Wikimedia Brasileiro de Educação e Pesquisa http://www.wikimedia.org.br 21 99326-0558
---- Em Sex, 19 Fev 2016 09:07:16 -0200 Asaf Bartov<abartov@wikimedia.org> escreveu ----
The Macedonian community has also had success attracting attention to their social media channels via Facebook etc. links on sitenotice for a while. I believe they reached a staggering number of likes (~35000 was it?), from next to nothing. Those social media channels seem to have been used to considerable effect in drawing attention and attracting contributors to events like WLM.
This was discussed at the Wikimedia Central and Eastern European Meeting 2014. Notes from that session are still on Etherpad[1].
CCing Bojan for potential additional details.
A.
[1] https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/ceem14-pr
On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 1:39 AM, Tomasz Ganicz <polimerek@gmail.com> wrote:
> Nikola - but does it bring any added value to Wikipedia? Does number of > active editors in Bulgarian Wikipedia increased because of it? Can you see > it in Wikipedia statics? IMHO it is the only thing which might legitimate > such an action. > > > > > > > Ten e-mail został wysłany z komputera wolnego od wirusów chronionego przez > Avast. > www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email%3E; > <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > 2016-02-19 1:41 GMT+01:00 Nikola Kalchev <nikola.kalchev@gmail.com>: > > > Hello Rodrigo, > > > > on Bulgarian Wikipedia we put a text asking readers to like our Facebook > > page, our Twitter and Google+ accounts, as well to visit our blog [1]. > The > > Facebook likes went up from 1923 to 5381 in a month, 126 people followed > us > > on Twitter (virtually nobody did it before that), 123 people followed us > on > > Google+ and the reader numbers on our blog went significantly up (I don't > > have the data right now). Nobody in the community objected to this and we > > would probably do it again some day. We decided to remove it after a > month, > > because we saw that the number of new likes declined over time. > > > > Best regards, > > Nikola (User:Лорд Бъмбъри > > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:%D0%9B%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B4_%D0%91%D1%8A%D...;) > > Wikimedians of Bulgaria > > > > [1] > > > > > https://bg.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%D0%9C%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F%D0... > > (it says "Like the page of Wikipedia in Bulgarian on Facebook > > <https://www.facebook.com/WikipediaBG%3E;. You can also follow us on > Twitter > > <https://twitter.com/WikipediaBG%3E; and Google+ > > <https://plus.google.com/103033788118241359476/posts%3E; as well as visit > our > > blog <http://blog.wikimedia.org/%3E;"). > > > > This email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by Avast. > > www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email%3E; > > <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > > > On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 2:42 PM, Rodrigo Padula < > > rodrigopadula@wikimedia.org.br> wrote: > > > > > Hello fellows! > > > > > > Since the end of the last year some contributors from pt.wikipedia are > > > discussing regarding the idea of including the promotion of our > Facebook > > > Page on site Notice [1] > > > > > > That proposal was started by Teles, a Brazilian steward. He received a > > lot > > > of local support. > > > > > > The general idea is to bring more people from Facebook to access > > Wikipedia > > > through our Facebook page, but what we are doing is redirecting users > > from > > > pt.wikipedia to Facebook and including a free Facebook ads on > > pt.wikipedia. > > > > > > I would like to know if it is ok for the Wikimedia Movement and if this > > > kind of Facebook promotional campaign was proposed and published in > other > > > wikipedias/wikimedia projects. > > > > > > [1] > > > > > > https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Esplanada/propostas/Inserir_p%C... > > > > > > Best regards > > > > > > Rodrigo Padula > > > Coordenador de Projetos > > > Grupo Wikimedia Brasileiro de Educação e Pesquisa > > > http://www.wikimedia.org.br > > > +55 21 99326-0558 > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > -- > Tomek "Polimerek" Ganicz > http://pl.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Polimerek > http://www.ganicz.pl/poli/ > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> >
Rodrigo,
I really don't mean to be negative, but the appropriate forum to discuss the merits of the decision is in the topic open in wikipt about it. About the form, using sitenotice for external social media reach, I can see a reasoning to debate this here, but discussing if it is/will be effective seems out place. This decision should be, and seemly will continue to be, a community decision. Excuse-me if I read too much into the message.
Best regards, Chico Venancio
Hello Chico,
The mail goal of that discussion is to see similar cases around the globe and evaluate the potential impact on the Wikimedia projects.
That info is very important for future proposals and initiatives like that one proposed on pt.wiki.
After so many discussion and comments regarding Facebook and #freebasics, that discussion is relevant and very important for the Wikimedia Movement, IMHO!
Rodrigo Padula Coordenador de Projetos Grupo Wikimedia Brasileiro de Educação e Pesquisa http://www.wikimedia.org.br 21 99326-0558
---- Em Sex, 19 Fev 2016 12:32:20 -0200 Chico Venancio<chicocvenancio@gmail.com> escreveu ----
Rodrigo,
I really don't mean to be negative, but the appropriate forum to discuss the merits of the decision is in the topic open in wikipt about it. About the form, using sitenotice for external social media reach, I can see a reasoning to debate this here, but discussing if it is/will be effective seems out place. This decision should be, and seemly will continue to be, a community decision. Excuse-me if I read too much into the message.
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Il 19/02/2016 10:39, Tomasz Ganicz ha scritto:
Nikola - but does it bring any added value to Wikipedia? Does number of active editors in Bulgarian Wikipedia increased because of it? Can you see it in Wikipedia statics? IMHO it is the only thing which might legitimate such an action.
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2016-02-19 1:41 GMT+01:00 Nikola Kalchev nikola.kalchev@gmail.com:
Hello Rodrigo,
on Bulgarian Wikipedia we put a text asking readers to like our Facebook page, our Twitter and Google+ accounts, as well to visit our blog [1]. The Facebook likes went up from 1923 to 5381 in a month, 126 people followed us on Twitter (virtually nobody did it before that), 123 people followed us on Google+ and the reader numbers on our blog went significantly up (I don't have the data right now). Nobody in the community objected to this and we would probably do it again some day. We decided to remove it after a month, because we saw that the number of new likes declined over time.
Best regards, Nikola (User:Лорд Бъмбъри https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Лорд_Бъмбъри) Wikimedians of Bulgaria
[1]
https://bg.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%D0%9C%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F%D0... (it says "Like the page of Wikipedia in Bulgarian on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/WikipediaBG. You can also follow us on Twitter https://twitter.com/WikipediaBG and Google+ https://plus.google.com/103033788118241359476/posts as well as visit our blog http://blog.wikimedia.org/").
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On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 2:42 PM, Rodrigo Padula < rodrigopadula@wikimedia.org.br> wrote:
Hello fellows!
Since the end of the last year some contributors from pt.wikipedia are discussing regarding the idea of including the promotion of our Facebook Page on site Notice [1]
That proposal was started by Teles, a Brazilian steward. He received a
lot
of local support.
The general idea is to bring more people from Facebook to access
Wikipedia
through our Facebook page, but what we are doing is redirecting users
from
pt.wikipedia to Facebook and including a free Facebook ads on
pt.wikipedia.
I would like to know if it is ok for the Wikimedia Movement and if this kind of Facebook promotional campaign was proposed and published in other wikipedias/wikimedia projects.
[1]
https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Esplanada/propostas/Inserir_p%C...
Best regards
Rodrigo Padula Coordenador de Projetos Grupo Wikimedia Brasileiro de Educação e Pesquisa http://www.wikimedia.org.br +55 21 99326-0558
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Hey Rodrigo,
I don't know of any example where Site Notice has been used in the past to point people to facebook.
Although the intentions behind what is being proposed are good ones, I think there are probably issues that surround neutrality and with the very different privacy policy of facebook.
Based on those things alone it is not something I would recommend. I would be happy to follow up with you further off list if you would like to discuss this further.
Regards
facebook has been on site-notice on azwiki https://az.wikipedia.org for about year I think
Mardetanha
On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 9:58 AM, Joseph Seddon jseddon@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hey Rodrigo,
I don't know of any example where Site Notice has been used in the past to point people to facebook.
Although the intentions behind what is being proposed are good ones, I think there are probably issues that surround neutrality and with the very different privacy policy of facebook.
Based on those things alone it is not something I would recommend. I would be happy to follow up with you further off list if you would like to discuss this further.
Regards
-- Seddon
*Advancement Associate (Community Engagement)* *Wikimedia Foundation*
On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 1:42 PM, Rodrigo Padula < rodrigopadula@wikimedia.org.br> wrote:
Hello fellows!
Since the end of the last year some contributors from pt.wikipedia are discussing regarding the idea of including the promotion of our Facebook Page on site Notice [1]
That proposal was started by Teles, a Brazilian steward. He received a
lot
of local support.
The general idea is to bring more people from Facebook to access
Wikipedia
through our Facebook page, but what we are doing is redirecting users
from
pt.wikipedia to Facebook and including a free Facebook ads on
pt.wikipedia.
I would like to know if it is ok for the Wikimedia Movement and if this kind of Facebook promotional campaign was proposed and published in other wikipedias/wikimedia projects.
[1]
https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Esplanada/propostas/Inserir_p%C...
Best regards
Rodrigo Padula Coordenador de Projetos Grupo Wikimedia Brasileiro de Educação e Pesquisa http://www.wikimedia.org.br +55 21 99326-0558
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Indonesian Wikipedia has used site notice to link to their Facebook group, Twitter, and Instagram for years.
Their facebook page has 97,236 likes. https://www.facebook.com/id.wiki posts often get 100 likes
compare with Wikimedia Commons page, with 2,793 likes, and posts usually attract < 10 likes. https://www.facebook.com/Wikimedia.Commons/
On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 5:28 PM, Joseph Seddon jseddon@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hey Rodrigo,
I don't know of any example where Site Notice has been used in the past to point people to facebook.
Although the intentions behind what is being proposed are good ones, I think there are probably issues that surround neutrality and with the very different privacy policy of facebook.
Based on those things alone it is not something I would recommend. I would be happy to follow up with you further off list if you would like to discuss this further.
Regards
-- Seddon
*Advancement Associate (Community Engagement)* *Wikimedia Foundation*
On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 1:42 PM, Rodrigo Padula < rodrigopadula@wikimedia.org.br> wrote:
Hello fellows!
Since the end of the last year some contributors from pt.wikipedia are discussing regarding the idea of including the promotion of our Facebook Page on site Notice [1]
That proposal was started by Teles, a Brazilian steward. He received a lot of local support.
The general idea is to bring more people from Facebook to access Wikipedia through our Facebook page, but what we are doing is redirecting users from pt.wikipedia to Facebook and including a free Facebook ads on pt.wikipedia.
I would like to know if it is ok for the Wikimedia Movement and if this kind of Facebook promotional campaign was proposed and published in other wikipedias/wikimedia projects.
[1] https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Esplanada/propostas/Inserir_p%C...
Best regards
Rodrigo Padula Coordenador de Projetos Grupo Wikimedia Brasileiro de Educação e Pesquisa http://www.wikimedia.org.br +55 21 99326-0558
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Hello Tomasz and everyone else
according to https://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesWikipediaBG.htm the number of active editors has raised by 19% in January, but it might as well be because there were Christmas holidays in December. I do not believe we have enough data to make a good quantitative analysis.
Something else we organised was a weekly "wikigame" – we asked a question on social media and Wikipedia every day and the person who answered the most questions correctly got a book for up to 15 Euro (the price of a pretty good paperback edition of books, which can be used as sources). That lead to a few new editors and a few new articles. I believe social media have a potential and we will see that during CEE Spring. The themes were Olympic games, football, art, history of Bulgaria and geography.
Best regards, Nikola
On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 12:47 PM, John Mark Vandenberg jayvdb@gmail.com wrote:
Indonesian Wikipedia has used site notice to link to their Facebook group, Twitter, and Instagram for years.
Their facebook page has 97,236 likes. https://www.facebook.com/id.wiki posts often get 100 likes
compare with Wikimedia Commons page, with 2,793 likes, and posts usually attract < 10 likes. https://www.facebook.com/Wikimedia.Commons/
On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 5:28 PM, Joseph Seddon jseddon@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hey Rodrigo,
I don't know of any example where Site Notice has been used in the past
to
point people to facebook.
Although the intentions behind what is being proposed are good ones, I think there are probably issues that surround neutrality and with the
very
different privacy policy of facebook.
Based on those things alone it is not something I would recommend. I
would
be happy to follow up with you further off list if you would like to discuss this further.
Regards
-- Seddon
*Advancement Associate (Community Engagement)* *Wikimedia Foundation*
On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 1:42 PM, Rodrigo Padula < rodrigopadula@wikimedia.org.br> wrote:
Hello fellows!
Since the end of the last year some contributors from pt.wikipedia are discussing regarding the idea of including the promotion of our Facebook Page on site Notice [1]
That proposal was started by Teles, a Brazilian steward. He received a
lot
of local support.
The general idea is to bring more people from Facebook to access
Wikipedia
through our Facebook page, but what we are doing is redirecting users
from
pt.wikipedia to Facebook and including a free Facebook ads on
pt.wikipedia.
I would like to know if it is ok for the Wikimedia Movement and if this kind of Facebook promotional campaign was proposed and published in
other
wikipedias/wikimedia projects.
[1]
https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Esplanada/propostas/Inserir_p%C...
Best regards
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While I appreciate these concerns, I think that the most suitable people to determine whether this is appropriate for the Portuguese Wikipedia are the users of the Portuguese Wikipedia. Perhaps with a veto by the WMF Legal Team if there's some terms of service related reason this can't happen.
Cheers, Craig
On 19 February 2016 at 16:28, Joseph Seddon jseddon@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hey Rodrigo,
I don't know of any example where Site Notice has been used in the past to point people to facebook.
Although the intentions behind what is being proposed are good ones, I think there are probably issues that surround neutrality and with the very different privacy policy of facebook.
Based on those things alone it is not something I would recommend. I would be happy to follow up with you further off list if you would like to discuss this further.
Regards
-- Seddon
*Advancement Associate (Community Engagement)* *Wikimedia Foundation*
On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 1:42 PM, Rodrigo Padula < rodrigopadula@wikimedia.org.br> wrote:
Hello fellows!
Since the end of the last year some contributors from pt.wikipedia are discussing regarding the idea of including the promotion of our Facebook Page on site Notice [1]
That proposal was started by Teles, a Brazilian steward. He received a
lot
of local support.
The general idea is to bring more people from Facebook to access
Wikipedia
through our Facebook page, but what we are doing is redirecting users
from
pt.wikipedia to Facebook and including a free Facebook ads on
pt.wikipedia.
I would like to know if it is ok for the Wikimedia Movement and if this kind of Facebook promotional campaign was proposed and published in other wikipedias/wikimedia projects.
[1]
https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Esplanada/propostas/Inserir_p%C...
Best regards
Rodrigo Padula Coordenador de Projetos Grupo Wikimedia Brasileiro de Educação e Pesquisa http://www.wikimedia.org.br +55 21 99326-0558
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I also noticed the practice in idwiki to promote Facebook page of the Wikipedia in question through site notice. During this year’s discussion of Chinese Wikipedia’s annual strategy, One of our proposed aims is to promote outreach through the Net. I once had a plan to promote our Facebook pages (now diversified roughly by regions, no unified Facebook pages for us), twitter, weibo and IRC channels (there’s a renaissance of IRC in zhwp during the past year) through a site notice. Though our twitter is just a feed of our items on OTD, FA, GA and DYK columns, and Weibo account, which once accepted funds from IEG, is dormant since the last Wikipedia blockage by Peking (thus weakens the effect to absorb more editors). The plan is temporarily on hold. I am thinking that there’re still many of the members of Chinese community do not have an awareness on Net neutrality, so even I do not make any consultation on this plan, I think this plan will be passed with no objections (to make it more easy, generally requests to put up particular site notices are usually not noticed by ordinary users).
Best wishes, Leung Chung-ming (User:春卷柯南)
Craig Franklin cfranklin@halonetwork.net 於 2016年2月19日 下午8:31 寫道：
While I appreciate these concerns, I think that the most suitable people to determine whether this is appropriate for the Portuguese Wikipedia are the users of the Portuguese Wikipedia. Perhaps with a veto by the WMF Legal Team if there's some terms of service related reason this can't happen.
Cheers, Craig
On 19 February 2016 at 16:28, Joseph Seddon jseddon@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hey Rodrigo,
I don't know of any example where Site Notice has been used in the past to point people to facebook.
Although the intentions behind what is being proposed are good ones, I think there are probably issues that surround neutrality and with the very different privacy policy of facebook.
Based on those things alone it is not something I would recommend. I would be happy to follow up with you further off list if you would like to discuss this further.
Regards
-- Seddon
*Advancement Associate (Community Engagement)* *Wikimedia Foundation*
On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 1:42 PM, Rodrigo Padula < rodrigopadula@wikimedia.org.br> wrote:
Hello fellows!
Since the end of the last year some contributors from pt.wikipedia are discussing regarding the idea of including the promotion of our Facebook Page on site Notice [1]
That proposal was started by Teles, a Brazilian steward. He received a
lot
of local support.
The general idea is to bring more people from Facebook to access
Wikipedia
through our Facebook page, but what we are doing is redirecting users
from
pt.wikipedia to Facebook and including a free Facebook ads on
pt.wikipedia.
I would like to know if it is ok for the Wikimedia Movement and if this kind of Facebook promotional campaign was proposed and published in other wikipedias/wikimedia projects.
[1]
https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Esplanada/propostas/Inserir_p%C...
Best regards
Rodrigo Padula Coordenador de Projetos Grupo Wikimedia Brasileiro de Educação e Pesquisa http://www.wikimedia.org.br +55 21 99326-0558
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I stand corrected on all fronts and now know a few examples :D Personally I'd say base it off of the azerbaijani sitenotice, and if you have multiple social media presences include them like the indonesian sitenotice's to remain platform agnostic but avoid the larger kick in the page.
Seddon
On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 12:59 PM, 梁忠明 sprconan@gmail.com wrote:
I also noticed the practice in idwiki to promote Facebook page of the Wikipedia in question through site notice. During this year’s discussion of Chinese Wikipedia’s annual strategy, One of our proposed aims is to promote outreach through the Net. I once had a plan to promote our Facebook pages (now diversified roughly by regions, no unified Facebook pages for us), twitter, weibo and IRC channels (there’s a renaissance of IRC in zhwp during the past year) through a site notice. Though our twitter is just a feed of our items on OTD, FA, GA and DYK columns, and Weibo account, which once accepted funds from IEG, is dormant since the last Wikipedia blockage by Peking (thus weakens the effect to absorb more editors). The plan is temporarily on hold. I am thinking that there’re still many of the members of Chinese community do not have an awareness on Net neutrality, so even I do not make any consultation on this plan, I think this plan will be passed with no objections (to make it more easy, generally requests to put up particular site notices are usually not noticed by ordinary users).
Best wishes, Leung Chung-ming (User:春卷柯南)
Craig Franklin cfranklin@halonetwork.net 於 2016年2月19日 下午8:31 寫道：
While I appreciate these concerns, I think that the most suitable people
to
determine whether this is appropriate for the Portuguese Wikipedia are
the
users of the Portuguese Wikipedia. Perhaps with a veto by the WMF Legal Team if there's some terms of service related reason this can't happen.
Cheers, Craig
On 19 February 2016 at 16:28, Joseph Seddon jseddon@wikimedia.org
wrote:
Hey Rodrigo,
I don't know of any example where Site Notice has been used in the past
to
point people to facebook.
Although the intentions behind what is being proposed are good ones, I think there are probably issues that surround neutrality and with the
very
different privacy policy of facebook.
Based on those things alone it is not something I would recommend. I
would
be happy to follow up with you further off list if you would like to discuss this further.
Regards
-- Seddon
*Advancement Associate (Community Engagement)* *Wikimedia Foundation*
On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 1:42 PM, Rodrigo Padula < rodrigopadula@wikimedia.org.br> wrote:
Hello fellows!
Since the end of the last year some contributors from pt.wikipedia are discussing regarding the idea of including the promotion of our
Page on site Notice [1]
That proposal was started by Teles, a Brazilian steward. He received a
lot
of local support.
The general idea is to bring more people from Facebook to access
Wikipedia
through our Facebook page, but what we are doing is redirecting users
from
pt.wikipedia to Facebook and including a free Facebook ads on
pt.wikipedia.
I would like to know if it is ok for the Wikimedia Movement and if this kind of Facebook promotional campaign was proposed and published in
other
wikipedias/wikimedia projects.
[1]
https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Esplanada/propostas/Inserir_p%C...
Best regards
Rodrigo Padula Coordenador de Projetos Grupo Wikimedia Brasileiro de Educação e Pesquisa http://www.wikimedia.org.br +55 21 99326-0558
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Certainly agree with you Craig. I just generally wasn't aware of those examples which do set a precedent.
I will add documenting all of the different community community uses of SiteNotice to my list of things to do. :)
Seddon
On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 12:31 PM, Craig Franklin cfranklin@halonetwork.net wrote:
While I appreciate these concerns, I think that the most suitable people to determine whether this is appropriate for the Portuguese Wikipedia are the users of the Portuguese Wikipedia. Perhaps with a veto by the WMF Legal Team if there's some terms of service related reason this can't happen.
Cheers, Craig
On 19 February 2016 at 16:28, Joseph Seddon jseddon@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hey Rodrigo,
I don't know of any example where Site Notice has been used in the past
to
point people to facebook.
Although the intentions behind what is being proposed are good ones, I think there are probably issues that surround neutrality and with the
very
different privacy policy of facebook.
Based on those things alone it is not something I would recommend. I
would
be happy to follow up with you further off list if you would like to discuss this further.
Regards
-- Seddon
*Advancement Associate (Community Engagement)* *Wikimedia Foundation*
On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 1:42 PM, Rodrigo Padula < rodrigopadula@wikimedia.org.br> wrote:
Hello fellows!
Since the end of the last year some contributors from pt.wikipedia are discussing regarding the idea of including the promotion of our
Page on site Notice [1]
That proposal was started by Teles, a Brazilian steward. He received a
lot
of local support.
The general idea is to bring more people from Facebook to access
Wikipedia
through our Facebook page, but what we are doing is redirecting users
from
pt.wikipedia to Facebook and including a free Facebook ads on
pt.wikipedia.
I would like to know if it is ok for the Wikimedia Movement and if this kind of Facebook promotional campaign was proposed and published in
other
wikipedias/wikimedia projects.
[1]
https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Esplanada/propostas/Inserir_p%C...
Best regards
Rodrigo Padula Coordenador de Projetos Grupo Wikimedia Brasileiro de Educação e Pesquisa http://www.wikimedia.org.br +55 21 99326-0558
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