May we actually stop having anything with these pest?
On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 1:32 PM, Milos Rancic millosh@gmail.com wrote:
May we actually stop having anything with these pest?
I dont believe we can stop using closed access journals, as that would reduce the quality of our projects, but we can use links to them as an opportunity to educate the public.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28idea_lab%29#Solidari...
However WMF should discontinue its relationship with Elsevier and Taylor & Francis via the 'Wikipedia Library'.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Elsevier_ScienceDirect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Taylor_%26_Francis
-- John Vandenberg
I don't really mind WMF working with closed-access publishers, if that works. What I think is that we don't put the same effort indoing something with the openaccess world: all the initiatives I know are volunteer-based.
Two pop up in my mind: the Signalling Open Access project, aimed to put an icon aside every reference in Wikipedia, to signal if the article is OA or closed. Ask Daniel Mietchen for updates.
The other one is the possibility of uploading thousands of articles in wikisource, directly in HTML. Remember, we have Wikipedia Zero: putting stuff onWikisource means having a free digital library to everyone. In the recent Wikisource conference in Vienna we talked about that too, and rhere is an ongoing discussion in the English Wikisource.
Both these two projects could have a huge impact on open access and in general for our mission, but they rely on the good will and free time of few individuals, and have done for years now.
Aubrey Il 01/dic/2015 03:54 "John Mark Vandenberg" jayvdb@gmail.com ha scritto:
On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 1:32 PM, Milos Rancic millosh@gmail.com wrote:
May we actually stop having anything with these pest?
I dont believe we can stop using closed access journals, as that would reduce the quality of our projects, but we can use links to them as an opportunity to educate the public.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28idea_lab%29#Solidari...
However WMF should discontinue its relationship with Elsevier and Taylor & Francis via the 'Wikipedia Library'.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Elsevier_ScienceDirect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Taylor_%26_Francis
-- John Vandenberg
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On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 7:13 PM, Andrea Zanni zanni.andrea84@gmail.com wrote:
I don't really mind WMF working with closed-access publishers, if that works. What I think is that we don't put the same effort indoing something with the openaccess world: all the initiatives I know are volunteer-based.
Two pop up in my mind: the Signalling Open Access project, aimed to put an icon aside every reference in Wikipedia, to signal if the article is OA or closed. Ask Daniel Mietchen for updates.
The other one is the possibility of uploading thousands of articles in wikisource, directly in HTML. Remember, we have Wikipedia Zero: putting stuff onWikisource means having a free digital library to everyone.
According to https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Mobile_partnerships and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_Zero , it is Wikipedia only. Is that out of date? Does it now include Wikisource?
According to https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Wikipedia_Zero_Template_Agreement and https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:WikiProject_Open_Access/Programmat..., the answer appears to be yes that Wikipedia Zero now includes Wikisource. (It would be good to get clarification on whether all the services described on Foundation wiki are automatically included in Wikipedia Zero, included on a per-carrier basis, or some other scheme.)
Pine On Dec 1, 2015 12:29 AM, "John Mark Vandenberg" jayvdb@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 7:13 PM, Andrea Zanni zanni.andrea84@gmail.com wrote:
I don't really mind WMF working with closed-access publishers, if that works. What I think is that we don't put the same effort indoing something with the openaccess world: all the initiatives I know are volunteer-based.
Two pop up in my mind: the Signalling Open Access project, aimed to put an icon aside every reference in Wikipedia, to signal if the article is OA or closed. Ask Daniel Mietchen for updates.
The other one is the possibility of uploading thousands of articles in wikisource, directly in HTML. Remember, we have Wikipedia Zero: putting stuff onWikisource means having a free digital library to everyone.
According to https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Mobile_partnerships and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_Zero , it is Wikipedia only. Is that out of date? Does it now include Wikisource?
-- John Vandenberg
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A chronic problem for most of the movement is a shortage of human resources, both volunteer and paid. Hopefully the work of Aaron H. and company on revision scoring will help us to keep more of our good-faith newbies. I also think that the bitey-ness of some Wikimedians can be counterproductive, and I'd like to see broad improvements in civility on our projects which I hope would correlate with improved contributor retention.
I agree that it would be good to have more open access sources available, and I like the concept of open access signalling.
I'm happy to talk about the human resources shortage issue in more depth; let's fork that subject if there is interest in continuing to discuss it.
Pine On Dec 1, 2015 12:22 AM, "Andrea Zanni" zanni.andrea84@gmail.com wrote:
I don't really mind WMF working with closed-access publishers, if that works. What I think is that we don't put the same effort indoing something with the openaccess world: all the initiatives I know are volunteer-based.
Two pop up in my mind: the Signalling Open Access project, aimed to put an icon aside every reference in Wikipedia, to signal if the article is OA or closed. Ask Daniel Mietchen for updates.
The other one is the possibility of uploading thousands of articles in wikisource, directly in HTML. Remember, we have Wikipedia Zero: putting stuff onWikisource means having a free digital library to everyone. In the recent Wikisource conference in Vienna we talked about that too, and rhere is an ongoing discussion in the English Wikisource.
Both these two projects could have a huge impact on open access and in general for our mission, but they rely on the good will and free time of few individuals, and have done for years now.
Aubrey Il 01/dic/2015 03:54 "John Mark Vandenberg" jayvdb@gmail.com ha scritto:
On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 1:32 PM, Milos Rancic millosh@gmail.com wrote:
May we actually stop having anything with these pest?
I dont believe we can stop using closed access journals, as that would reduce the quality of our projects, but we can use links to them as an opportunity to educate the public.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28idea_lab%29#Solidari...
However WMF should discontinue its relationship with Elsevier and Taylor & Francis via the 'Wikipedia Library'.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Elsevier_ScienceDirect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Taylor_%26_Francis
-- John Vandenberg
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Wikimedia is in the position to work with many institutions not committed to open access, free software etc. That's not the problem. The position of Wikimedia movement is in such position that it's not just about free knowledge, but about common good of the whole humanity. And (the most of) legitimate representatives of humanity are outside open access, free content etc.
I've followed the issue of linguists vs. Elsevier. Although I don't know the whole background, I could say that that particular confrontation is not something we should react differently than giving more prominence to open access journals.
However, this issue is a game changer. Elsevier attacks a member of our own wider movement. And we are the only entity inside of that wider movement capable to make a proper response. Which means that we have to do that, as our responsibility in particular is related to our wider movement.
If we send clear message, anyone willing to make that kind of pressure to any entity inside of our wider movement would have to have in mind that we will respond, as well.
If we fail to send such messages in the situation like this one, we gamble with being perceived as weak.
As per John, it's not about removing references, as we are doing our job and closed-source journals are one of the valid sources of information. However, it is about formal relations between Wikimedia Foundation, other Wikimedia organizations and Elsevier.
On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 9:13 AM, Andrea Zanni zanni.andrea84@gmail.com wrote:
I don't really mind WMF working with closed-access publishers, if that works. What I think is that we don't put the same effort indoing something with the openaccess world: all the initiatives I know are volunteer-based.
Two pop up in my mind: the Signalling Open Access project, aimed to put an icon aside every reference in Wikipedia, to signal if the article is OA or closed. Ask Daniel Mietchen for updates.
The other one is the possibility of uploading thousands of articles in wikisource, directly in HTML. Remember, we have Wikipedia Zero: putting stuff onWikisource means having a free digital library to everyone. In the recent Wikisource conference in Vienna we talked about that too, and rhere is an ongoing discussion in the English Wikisource.
Both these two projects could have a huge impact on open access and in general for our mission, but they rely on the good will and free time of few individuals, and have done for years now.
Aubrey Il 01/dic/2015 03:54 "John Mark Vandenberg" jayvdb@gmail.com ha scritto:
On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 1:32 PM, Milos Rancic millosh@gmail.com wrote:
May we actually stop having anything with these pest?
I dont believe we can stop using closed access journals, as that would reduce the quality of our projects, but we can use links to them as an opportunity to educate the public.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28idea_lab%29#Solidari...
However WMF should discontinue its relationship with Elsevier and Taylor & Francis via the 'Wikipedia Library'.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Elsevier_ScienceDirect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Taylor_%26_Francis
-- John Vandenberg
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For what it's worth, we had a panel discussion at WMF about this, with Open Access advocates and staff from WMF. Freely licensed video of the session is available on YouTube. See here for video links: http://wikistrategies.net/oa-Wikipedia-panel/
One of our panelists, John Dove, wrote a follow-up blog post; others are in the works.
Pete [[User: Peteforsyth]]
https://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/11/12/open-access-in-closed-access-world/ On Nov 30, 2015 6:33 PM, "Milos Rancic" millosh@gmail.com wrote:
May we actually stop having anything with these pest?
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Hello,
I felt strongly enough about Wikipedia's relationship with open access content that I wrote about the issue. < http://bluerasberry.com/2015/10/wikipedia-open-access-and-the-wikipedia-libr...
yours,
On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 4:07 AM, Pete Forsyth peteforsyth@gmail.com wrote:
For what it's worth, we had a panel discussion at WMF about this, with Open Access advocates and staff from WMF. Freely licensed video of the session is available on YouTube. See here for video links: http://wikistrategies.net/oa-Wikipedia-panel/
One of our panelists, John Dove, wrote a follow-up blog post; others are in the works.
Pete [[User: Peteforsyth]]
https://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/11/12/open-access-in-closed-access-world/ On Nov 30, 2015 6:33 PM, "Milos Rancic" millosh@gmail.com wrote:
May we actually stop having anything with these pest?
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