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Lorenzo Losa

4 May 2022 4 May '22

10:30 a.m.

Are you considering running for the Wikimedia Foundation board elections? Are you unsure about that it entails, or whether it's the right choice? You can have a talk with a trustee (or a former trustee): https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2022/Peer_su… Remember that you can submit you candidacy until May 9: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2022/Apply_t… We are looking forward a new round of skilled and diverse people to join the board! Lorenzo P.S.: current and recent trustees are welcomed to add their name to the list

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H4CUSEG

4 May 4 May

5:36 p.m.

Can we stop referring to "diverse people" please? It's offensive. Sent with ProtonMail secure email. ------- Original Message ------- On Wednesday, May 4th, 2022 at 3:30 AM, Lorenzo Losa <llosa(a)wikimedia.org> wrote: > Are you considering running for the Wikimedia Foundation board > elections? Are you unsure about that it entails, or whether it's the > right choice? > You can have a talk with a trustee (or a former trustee): > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2022/Peer_su… > > Remember that you can submit you candidacy until May 9: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2022/Apply_t… > > We are looking forward a new round of skilled and diverse people to > join the board! > > Lorenzo > > P.S.: current and recent trustees are welcomed to add their name to the > list > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > Public archives at https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org… > To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-leave(a)lists.wikimedia.org

Gerard Meijssen

5 May 5 May

8:41 a.m.

Hoi, My experience as a candidate was that the diversity sought is external. You may look different, have a different background, speak a different language, come from a different country. However, when you have an agenda, want something that is not on the agenda, you are informed that there is no room for such things. In essence it is very much like parliaments in certain countries. The consequence is that kids who can read and write their own language do not use Commons to find illustrations in school. A board member cannot put it on the agenda and the search department considers it not to be part of their mission. We have the software, we have no marketing for our projects. The process of informing potential board candidates is a filter that prevents diversity. Thanks, GerardM On Thu, 5 May 2022 at 01:59, H4CUSEG via Wikimedia-l < wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> wrote:

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Lorenzo Losa

6 May 6 May

9:59 a.m.

On mer, 2022-05-04 at 14:36 +0000, H4CUSEG via Wikimedia-l wrote:

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Can we stop referring to "diverse people" please? It's offensive.

H4CUSEG

4:52 p.m.

Yes. We shouldn't define people by what they're not (white, cis-gendered, male, etc.). But we should also adopt an expanded conceptualization of "competency" that is more inclusive. What we think of as competency has been defined by people who found their own specific skills particularly important (and their own race better than other people's). To be inclusive means to understand and value the competencies that people bring, in stead of requiring that people of colour can join as long as they also have all the "white" competencies. Sent with ProtonMail secure email. ------- Original Message ------- On Friday, May 6th, 2022 at 2:59 AM, Lorenzo Losa <llosa(a)wikimedia.org> wrote: > On mer, 2022-05-04 at 14:36 +0000, H4CUSEG via Wikimedia-l wrote: > > > Can we stop referring to "diverse people" please? It's offensive. > > > I'm sorry for that. > > If I understand it right - and correct me if I'm wrong - you are saying > that calling someone a "diverse person" is labeling that person in a > bad way. This is a fair point. Diversity relates to a multitude, not to > an individual. > To rephrase my sentence: we need trustees who are individually skilled > and experienced, forming a board that is collectively diverse - that is > able to express and create space for different perspectives and ideas. > > Lorenzo > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > Public archives at https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org… > To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-leave(a)lists.wikimedia.org

Peter Southwood

7 May 7 May

9:01 a.m.

How do you propose that relevant competencies be recognized, defined, or assessed? Cheers, Peter -----Original Message----- From: H4CUSEG via Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org] Sent: Friday, May 6, 2022 15:52 To: Wikimedia Mailing List Cc: H4CUSEG Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Are you considering running for the 2022 Wikimedia Foundation board elections? Yes. We shouldn't define people by what they're not (white, cis-gendered, male, etc.). But we should also adopt an expanded conceptualization of "competency" that is more inclusive. What we think of as competency has been defined by people who found their own specific skills particularly important (and their own race better than other people's). To be inclusive means to understand and value the competencies that people bring, in stead of requiring that people of colour can join as long as they also have all the "white" competencies. Sent with ProtonMail secure email. ------- Original Message ------- On Friday, May 6th, 2022 at 2:59 AM, Lorenzo Losa <llosa(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

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H4CUSEG

4:22 p.m.

Well, let's have a look at what they're looking for. There are some vague references to representation, diversity, and expertise, but if you look a bit closer at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2022/Apply_t…, they indicate that "most beneficial for new trustees to bring" are: * Organizational strategy and management * Enterprise-level platform technology and/or product development * Public policy and the law * Social data science, big data analysis, and machine learning I'm not going to propose a new set of criteria, other than to say if you really want diversity, inclusion and belonging, let people explain why they think they bring something of value, and let the community decide. And to hell with machine learning. People, not machines. Sent with ProtonMail secure email. ------- Original Message ------- On Saturday, May 7th, 2022 at 2:01 AM, Peter Southwood <peter.southwood(a)telkomsa.net> wrote: > How do you propose that relevant competencies be recognized, defined, or > assessed? Cheers, Peter > > -----Original Message----- > From: H4CUSEG via Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org] > Sent: Friday, May 6, 2022 15:52 > To: Wikimedia Mailing List > Cc: H4CUSEG > Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Are you considering running for the 2022 > Wikimedia Foundation board elections? > > Yes. We shouldn't define people by what they're not (white, cis-gendered, > male, etc.). But we should also adopt an expanded conceptualization of > "competency" that is more inclusive. What we think of as competency has been > defined by people who found their own specific skills particularly important > (and their own race better than other people's). To be inclusive means to > understand and value the competencies that people bring, in stead of > requiring that people of colour can join as long as they also have all the > "white" competencies. > > > Sent with ProtonMail secure email. > ------- Original Message ------- > On Friday, May 6th, 2022 at 2:59 AM, Lorenzo Losa llosa(a)wikimedia.org > > wrote: > > > On mer, 2022-05-04 at 14:36 +0000, H4CUSEG via Wikimedia-l wrote: > > > > > Can we stop referring to "diverse people" please? It's offensive. > > > > I'm sorry for that. > > > > If I understand it right - and correct me if I'm wrong - you are saying > > that calling someone a "diverse person" is labeling that person in a > > bad way. This is a fair point. Diversity relates to a multitude, not to > > an individual. > > To rephrase my sentence: we need trustees who are individually skilled > > and experienced, forming a board that is collectively diverse - that is > > able to express and create space for different perspectives and ideas. > > > > Lorenzo > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines > > at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > Public archives at > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/ > message/IJHKZYD7YDC7KQNAHJRJRSLIUCYANO2Q/ > > > To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-leave(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/ > message/2AF725BB7LMS7EFMNHB6ITYFDXBBSW2W/ > To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-leave(a)lists.wikimedia.org > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > Public archives at https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org… > To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-leave(a)lists.wikimedia.org

effe iets anders

8 May 8 May

2:06 a.m.

If you want to have a discussion about the term 'diversity' in the context of Wikimedia (I doubt it will remain limited to the board selections), it might be helpful to start a new thread for that. The challenge at hand is to get sufficient high quality candidates for this election that can add value (with whatever name) to the WMF board of trustees. Lodewijk On Sat, May 7, 2022 at 11:38 AM H4CUSEG via Wikimedia-l < wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> wrote:

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(and their own race better than other people's). To be inclusive means to understand and value the competencies that people bring, in stead of requiring that people of colour can join as long as they also have all

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"white" competencies. Sent with ProtonMail secure email. ------- Original Message ------- On Friday, May 6th, 2022 at 2:59 AM, Lorenzo Losa llosa(a)wikimedia.org wrote: > On mer, 2022-05-04 at 14:36 +0000, H4CUSEG via Wikimedia-l wrote: > > > Can we stop referring to "diverse people" please? It's offensive. > > I'm sorry for that. > > If I understand it right - and correct me if I'm wrong - you are saying > that calling someone a "diverse person" is labeling that person in a > bad way. This is a fair point. Diversity relates to a multitude, not to > an individual. > To rephrase my sentence: we need trustees who are individually skilled > and experienced, forming a board that is collectively diverse - that is > able to express and create space for different perspectives and ideas. > > Lorenzo > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org,

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Andreas Kolbe

5:35 p.m.

Lodewijk, Board members are required to fulfil a number of different functions, and some of those requirements will inevitably be in tension with each other. For example, board members are supposed: – to represent the volunteer community – to represent the affiliates – to represent the interests of the present readership – to represent the interests of the future readership – to bring a variety of professional skills (technical, legal, social, etc.) to the board – etc. Diversity impinges on this in multiple ways. The obvious ways are: What is the gender mix? How many races, ethnicities, nationalities, continents, languages and cultures of the world do the members represent? But there are other, less obvious ways in which diversity matters. For example: How diverse is a board where all the members have a tech or business background, and there is no one with a background in the humanities – philosophy, history, literature, art, classics, music, religion ...? I can't think of a more appropriate thread to discuss such matters than this one, which invites people to put their names forward. Best, Andreas On Sun, May 8, 2022 at 12:07 AM effe iets anders <effeietsanders(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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male, etc.). But we should also adopt an expanded conceptualization of "competency" that is more inclusive. What we think of as competency has

been

defined by people who found their own specific skills particularly

important

(and their own race better than other people's). To be inclusive means

understand and value the competencies that people bring, in stead of requiring that people of colour can join as long as they also have all

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> that calling someone a "diverse person" is labeling that person in a > bad way. This is a fair point. Diversity relates to a multitude, not

> an individual. > To rephrase my sentence: we need trustees who are individually skilled > and experienced, forming a board that is collectively diverse - that

> able to express and create space for different perspectives and ideas. > > Lorenzo > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org,

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Andreas Kolbe

7 May 7 May

1:05 a.m.

Lorenzo and all, Interestingly enough, in German "diverse" *can* relate to an individual. This is a fairly recent development – following a 2018 court decision, "diverse" was introduced as a third option in census forms and the like, to be used by people who do not identify as "female" or "male". Obviously, this doesn't change English language usage, and it wasn't what was meant here, or what H4 understood, but if you see or hear German speakers referring to "diverse people" in English, bear in mind that this may be what they mean. Moreover, note that if you mention "diverse people" to a German speaker (saying something like "we need more diverse people ..."), they may be unsure what you meant, or misunderstand you. Coming back to H4's point, and English as spoken by native speakers, The Atlantic has a cool article that expands on Ava DuVernay's comments, called "A Person Can't be Diverse". It goes more deeply into the linguistic aspects than the New York Times piece did. https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2016/01/ava-duvernay-osca… Andreas On Fri, May 6, 2022 at 8:00 AM Lorenzo Losa <llosa(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

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On mer, 2022-05-04 at 14:36 +0000, H4CUSEG via Wikimedia-l wrote:

Can we stop referring to "diverse people" please? It's offensive.

I'm sorry for that. If I understand it right - and correct me if I'm wrong - you are saying that calling someone a "diverse person" is labeling that person in a bad way. This is a fair point. Diversity relates to a multitude, not to an individual. To rephrase my sentence: we need trustees who are individually skilled and experienced, forming a board that is collectively diverse - that is able to express and create space for different perspectives and ideas. Lorenzo _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l Public archives at https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org… To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-leave(a)lists.wikimedia.org

Peter Southwood

6 May 6 May

2:25 p.m.

In what way is "diverse people" offensive, and to whom? Cheers, Peter. -----Original Message----- From: H4CUSEG via Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org] Sent: 04 May 2022 16:37 To: Wikimedia Mailing List Cc: H4CUSEG Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Are you considering running for the 2022 Wikimedia Foundation board elections? Can we stop referring to "diverse people" please? It's offensive. Sent with ProtonMail secure email. ------- Original Message ------- On Wednesday, May 4th, 2022 at 3:30 AM, Lorenzo Losa <llosa(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

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H4CUSEG

4:14 p.m.

"I hate that word so, so much." Ava DuVernay in The New York Times, January 25, 2016. https://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/26/movies/ava-duvernay-on-hollywoods-inclus… Sent with ProtonMail secure email. ------- Original Message ------- On Friday, May 6th, 2022 at 7:25 AM, Peter Southwood <peter.southwood(a)telkomsa.net> wrote: > In what way is "diverse people" offensive, and to whom? Cheers, Peter. > > -----Original Message----- > From: H4CUSEG via Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org] > Sent: 04 May 2022 16:37 > To: Wikimedia Mailing List > Cc: H4CUSEG > Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Are you considering running for the 2022 > Wikimedia Foundation board elections? > > Can we stop referring to "diverse people" please? It's offensive. > > Sent with ProtonMail secure email. > ------- Original Message ------- > On Wednesday, May 4th, 2022 at 3:30 AM, Lorenzo Losa llosa(a)wikimedia.org > > wrote: > > > Are you considering running for the Wikimedia Foundation board > > elections? Are you unsure about that it entails, or whether it's the > > right choice? > > You can have a talk with a trustee (or a former trustee): > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2022/Peer_sup > port_for_potential_candidates > > > Remember that you can submit you candidacy until May 9: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2022/Apply_to > _be_a_Candidate > > > We are looking forward a new round of skilled and diverse people to > > join the board! > > > > Lorenzo > > > > P.S.: current and recent trustees are welcomed to add their name to the > > list > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines > > at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > Public archives at > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/ > message/LW6TCCMOQGPIIVCU6DWLK4BSUZQHEQKO/ > > > To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-leave(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/ > message/PNITIQUN3ULR7HNCX74N3CYMIEBEPPM3/ > To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-leave(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > https://www.avg.com > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > Public archives at https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org… > To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-leave(a)lists.wikimedia.org

Peter Southwood

7 May 7 May

9:09 a.m.

Linking to a subscription article does not answer my question. Some might consider it offensive. Cheers, Peter -----Original Message----- From: H4CUSEG via Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org] Sent: Friday, May 6, 2022 15:15 To: Wikimedia Mailing List Cc: H4CUSEG Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Are you considering running for the 2022 Wikimedia Foundation board elections? "I hate that word so, so much." Ava DuVernay in The New York Times, January 25, 2016. https://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/26/movies/ava-duvernay-on-hollywoods-inclusi on-problem.html?partner=IFTTT&_r=0 Sent with ProtonMail secure email. ------- Original Message ------- On Friday, May 6th, 2022 at 7:25 AM, Peter Southwood <peter.southwood(a)telkomsa.net> wrote:

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Bence Damokos

2:42 p.m.

I would hardly consider linking to the New York Times offensive. Especially as the article can be read for free anyways, so everyone can make up their own views of it. For those not willing to click, I believe this was the pertinent quote from that article: “ “I feel it’s a medicinal word that has no emotional resonance, and this is a really emotional issue,” she said. “It’s emotional for artists who are women and people of color to have less value placed on our worldview.” Better words? Inclusion, she said, or belonging. ” Best regards, Bence On Sat, 7 May 2022 at 08:10, Peter Southwood <peter.southwood(a)telkomsa.net> wrote:

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Linking to a subscription article does not answer my question. Some might consider it offensive. Cheers, Peter -----Original Message----- From: H4CUSEG via Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org] Sent: Friday, May 6, 2022 15:15 To: Wikimedia Mailing List Cc: H4CUSEG Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Are you considering running for the 2022 Wikimedia Foundation board elections? "I hate that word so, so much." Ava DuVernay in The New York Times, January 25, 2016. https://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/26/movies/ava-duvernay-on-hollywoods-inclusi on-problem.html?partner=IFTTT&_r=0 <https://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/26/movies/ava-duvernay-on-hollywoods-inclusion-problem.html?partner=IFTTT&_r=0> Sent with ProtonMail secure email. ------- Original Message ------- On Friday, May 6th, 2022 at 7:25 AM, Peter Southwood <peter.southwood(a)telkomsa.net> wrote:

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