Wikimedia is nothing more than “Lord of the Flies”
The foundation, Jimmy Wales and trust and safety does nothing about it !
with abusive administrators out of control;
As an nubile and an IP.
i went to the village pump for help, and that person took over the whole thing,
and all i was doing is putting in references, then every thing i did after that was
wrong,
i went to administrators for help, and after a discussion which they called an instrution
was
blocked for a year as i dared them to shut me up on my own talk page one of them blocked
that to, which stopped me from asking for a unblock review by a neutral party or contact
the
arbitration committee , when I put an unblock template on the wrong wiki.they blocked
that
wiki first, then somebody came along, with no warning or why they put the IP on a global
.
when I went to trust and safety they refused to talk to me. all this just for trying to
talk (explain)
there is no free speech on Wikipedia .
From: Strainu
Sent: Sunday, March 1, 2020 2:40 AM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Treatment of newbies with mild CoI
We don't, at least not at community level. At most, we fight for individual
cases which are worth it (e.g. PR people that seem willing to learn). This
got us some half-decent articles about companies.
From: Paulo Santos Perneta
Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 10:07 AM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Treatment of newbies with mild CoI
Some established users have the habit of reverting every edit by IPs and
newbies in the articles they watch - often with the special reversion tool
- no mater the content and value of the edition. That is a very consistent
behavior I've been observing over more than one decade at the Wikipedia in
Portuguese, and the newbie edit only stays if another established user
notices the reversion, and reverts it back. Meaning: One established user
has to risk potential conflict with those other established users to
reinstate the newbie edition - with the result that many simply staying
away from that and leaving the IP/Newbie to its fate.
It's against the community rules, but pretty much nobody seems to care -
meaning: it's not really against the will of the community.
The general result is a very poor experience for everyone using IPs; and
slightly better (or less bad) for registered newbies, but still quite
hostile.
Best,
Paulo
Martijn Hoekstra < martijnhoekstra(a)gmail.com > escreveu no dia quinta,
27/02/2020 à(s) 16:41:
As a quick/rough data point I don't frequently
edit wikipedia anymore, and
when I do I never log in.
About 2/3 edits no further interactions happen. About 10% gets reverted,
about 10% of the time I get a warning and the last 10% I get a welcome
template.
On Thu, Feb 27, 2020, 15:52 Marshall Miller < marshall.h.miller(a)gmail.com >
wrote:
Thanks for mentioning the WMF Growth team [1],
Pine. This is a really
interesting thread that has touched on much of what the team has been
working on alongside the Czech, Korean, Arabic, and Vietnamese Wikipedia
communities (and with the advice of people from many different
communities
along the way).
We've tried to base our approach in research on newcomers, which taught
us
that newcomers face three main types of
challenges: technical,
conceptual,
and cultural [2]. For instance, the research
tells us that the rules of
the wiki are hard to learn, and that a negative first interaction can
cause
a newcomer to leave the wiki and not return --
but that a positive
interaction, such as getting advice from a friendly editor, can cause
them
to stay.
Over the last year and a half, we have experimented on mid-size
Wikipedias
with features that promote good communication
between new and experienced
users [3], that help newcomers teach themselves [4], and that give
newcomers easy tasks to do [5]. The goal is to build an experience for
newcomers that helps them get on a positive track in their first days on
the wiki, and want to stick around to join their communities. It's
possible that what we've learned and built so far will apply differently
to
the largest Wikipedias.
I hope that anyone who is interested in newcomers can tell us about their
own experiences and ideas on our team's discussion page [6], or on the
discussion pages of any of our projects. It's very important to us that
the things we build fit in with how communities work today. Over the
next
year, we're planning to expand the Growth
features to more wikis, so we
definitely want to talk to people who think the features might be a good
fit for their wikis.
To keep informed about the Growth team, please subscribe to our
newsletter
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Growth/Personalized_first_day/Newcomer_homep…
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Growth/Personalized_first_day/Newcomer_tasks
[6]
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Growth
[7]
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Growth/Newsletters
On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 3:07 AM Vi to < vituzzu.wiki(a)gmail.com > wrote:
> Not really, drawing practical advices/lessons (e.g. "differentiate
among
> kinds of COIs") is the only sensible
path towards solving issues.
> "Let's be kind" is close to a tautology.
>
> Vito
>
> > My question was generic, and not about the specific case I gave as an
> > example.
> > I chose not to post links to to the example, both in order to avoid a
> > pile-on, and to avoid us being distracted by the minutiae of the
> > incident concerned.
> >
> > Andy Mabbett
> > @pigsonthewing
> >
http://pigsonthewing.org.uk
>> > > > Il giorno mer 26 feb 2020 alle ore 09:59 Andy Mabbett <
> andy(a)pigsonthewing.org.uk > ha scritto:
>
> > On Tue, 25 Feb 2020 at 20:36, Vi to < vituzzu.wiki(a)gmail.com > wrote:
> > > Hard to tell anything without the relevant link(s).
> > For you, maybe. Others have already given helpful replies
I have just come across a case on en.Wikipedia where the daughter of
an article subject added details of his funeral (his death in 1984,w
as already recorded) and his view about an indent in his life.
Her six sequential edits - her first and only contribution to
Wikipedia - totalled 1254 characters, and were conducted over the
space of 30 minutes. They were no the best quality, lacking sources,
but were benign, and exactly what one might expect an untutored novice
to do as a first change.
As well as being reverted, she now has three templates on her talk
page; two warning her of a CoI, and sandwiching one notifying her of a
discussion about her on the COI noticeboard. These total 4094
characters or 665 words.
How do other projects deal with such cases?
--
Andy Mabbett
@pigsonthewing
http://pigsonthewing.org.uk