"On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 6:14 PM, K. Peachey p858snake@gmail.com wrote:
I might have missed it, but I can't see any attribution for the image… as I doubt it will be a click through to the file page.
I couldnt find the image in
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Cups_of_black_coffee
The image is only on donate.wikimedia.org, uploaded by "BHouse (Trilogy)", which I assume means they are an employee of http://www.trilogyinteractive.com (see previous years Form 990):
https://donate.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Coffee-price-overhead.jpg
It appears to be a stock photo, by photographer Dimitrios Stefanidis.
http://tineye.com/search/2267feed8737197d64056553011261b75ef34a9e/
http://www.istockphoto.com/photo/coffee-on-white-25228505
So my hopeful guess WMF bought a licence to the photograph, but even that would be inappropriate IMO.
It wouldnt have been hard to make a free photo of a coffee, or even create a derivative of this lovely CC0 SVG
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Cup_of_Coffee.svg
(assuming the license is correct; I cant see CC0 on http://rejke.deviantart.com/art/Coffee-384565868)
On 15-12-02 09:46 AM, John Mark Vandenberg wrote:
It wouldnt have been hard to make a free photo of a coffee, or even create a derivative of this lovely CC0 SVG
I don't think I'm concerned about the foundation fundraising staff deciding to use a stock photo - expedience and all, but I'm pretty sure that had they known about that (absolutely gorgeous) SVG, they'd have used it.
... which I guess is my way of saying "OMG commons actually *sucks* for reuse because it's so hard to find stuff on it that many people no longer even try!!1!one!".
-- Marc
29 million photos, 30 seconds type category:coffee cups https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Coffee_cups 90 photos subcategory cups of coffee a further 700 images not really difficult to find or navigate to what you need.
There is no excuse for fundraising team to not use a Free licensed photograph and message to the community they are suppose to be trying to support and promote either on commons-l or here sayo=ing they need an image of a cup of coffee from above would have got them even more to choose from,
On 2 December 2015 at 22:53, Marc A. Pelletier marc@uberbox.org wrote:
On 15-12-02 09:46 AM, John Mark Vandenberg wrote:
It wouldnt have been hard to make a free photo of a coffee, or even create a derivative of this lovely CC0 SVG
I don't think I'm concerned about the foundation fundraising staff deciding to use a stock photo - expedience and all, but I'm pretty sure that had they known about that (absolutely gorgeous) SVG, they'd have used it.
... which I guess is my way of saying "OMG commons actually *sucks* for reuse because it's so hard to find stuff on it that many people no longer even try!!1!one!".
-- Marc
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Hoi, There is an excuse. You may know those categories, I do not and I do not even try to find images in Commons for my blog. It is too hard to find things. The search is neither efficient nor intuitive.
For me Commons and Wikisource could do with an abundant sprinkling of improved user interface. It is geared up for people adding data not really for people using data. The approach is way too dogmatic as well. So no, thank you. Thanks, GerardM
On 2 December 2015 at 23:56, Gnangarra gnangarra@gmail.com wrote:
29 million photos, 30 seconds type category:coffee cups https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Coffee_cups 90 photos subcategory cups of coffee a further 700 images not really difficult to find or navigate to what you need.
There is no excuse for fundraising team to not use a Free licensed photograph and message to the community they are suppose to be trying to support and promote either on commons-l or here sayo=ing they need an image of a cup of coffee from above would have got them even more to choose from,
On 2 December 2015 at 22:53, Marc A. Pelletier marc@uberbox.org wrote:
On 15-12-02 09:46 AM, John Mark Vandenberg wrote:
It wouldnt have been hard to make a free photo of a coffee, or even create a derivative of this lovely CC0 SVG
I don't think I'm concerned about the foundation fundraising staff deciding to use a stock photo - expedience and all, but I'm pretty sure that had they known about that (absolutely gorgeous) SVG, they'd have used it.
... which I guess is my way of saying "OMG commons actually *sucks* for reuse because it's so hard to find stuff on it that many people no longer even try!!1!one!".
-- Marc
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There is a big difference here between an individual and the Wikimedia Foundation using Wikimedia Commons
On 3 December 2015 at 07:03, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi, There is an excuse. You may know those categories, I do not and I do not even try to find images in Commons for my blog. It is too hard to find things. The search is neither efficient nor intuitive.
For me Commons and Wikisource could do with an abundant sprinkling of improved user interface. It is geared up for people adding data not really for people using data. The approach is way too dogmatic as well. So no, thank you. Thanks, GerardM
On 2 December 2015 at 23:56, Gnangarra gnangarra@gmail.com wrote:
29 million photos, 30 seconds type category:coffee cups https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Coffee_cups 90 photos subcategory cups of coffee a further 700 images not really difficult to find or navigate to what you need.
There is no excuse for fundraising team to not use a Free licensed photograph and message to the community they are suppose to be trying to support and promote either on commons-l or here sayo=ing they need an
image
of a cup of coffee from above would have got them even more to choose
from,
On 2 December 2015 at 22:53, Marc A. Pelletier marc@uberbox.org wrote:
On 15-12-02 09:46 AM, John Mark Vandenberg wrote:
It wouldnt have been hard to make a free photo of a coffee, or even create a derivative of this lovely CC0 SVG
I don't think I'm concerned about the foundation fundraising staff deciding to use a stock photo - expedience and all, but I'm pretty sure that had they known about that (absolutely gorgeous) SVG, they'd have used it.
... which I guess is my way of saying "OMG commons actually *sucks* for reuse because it's so hard to find stuff on it that many people no longer even try!!1!one!".
-- Marc
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Hoi, It is. I am one of the people who agitated for Commons to be created in the first place. I care about Commons and I hate the lack of usability with a passion. Wikimedians on the other hand cost us additional money in order to cope with Commons.
What is your problem in acknowledging that using Commons is a big problem. It is so bad that I typically refuse to add categories because they are not easy to guess and therefore to apply. At some stage it is at least what I hoped for, a repository for use for WMF projects. As a re-use facility it is a failure. Thanks, GerardM
On 3 December 2015 at 00:09, Gnangarra gnangarra@gmail.com wrote:
There is a big difference here between an individual and the Wikimedia Foundation using Wikimedia Commons
On 3 December 2015 at 07:03, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi, There is an excuse. You may know those categories, I do not and I do not even try to find images in Commons for my blog. It is too hard to find things. The search is neither efficient nor intuitive.
For me Commons and Wikisource could do with an abundant sprinkling of improved user interface. It is geared up for people adding data not
really
for people using data. The approach is way too dogmatic as well. So no, thank you. Thanks, GerardM
On 2 December 2015 at 23:56, Gnangarra gnangarra@gmail.com wrote:
29 million photos, 30 seconds type category:coffee cups https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Coffee_cups 90 photos subcategory cups of coffee a further 700 images not really difficult to find or navigate to what you need.
There is no excuse for fundraising team to not use a Free licensed photograph and message to the community they are suppose to be trying
to
support and promote either on commons-l or here sayo=ing they need an
image
of a cup of coffee from above would have got them even more to choose
from,
On 2 December 2015 at 22:53, Marc A. Pelletier marc@uberbox.org
wrote:
On 15-12-02 09:46 AM, John Mark Vandenberg wrote:
It wouldnt have been hard to make a free photo of a coffee, or even create a derivative of this lovely CC0 SVG
I don't think I'm concerned about the foundation fundraising staff deciding to use a stock photo - expedience and all, but I'm pretty
sure
that had they known about that (absolutely gorgeous) SVG, they'd have used it.
... which I guess is my way of saying "OMG commons actually *sucks*
for
reuse because it's so hard to find stuff on it that many people no longer even try!!1!one!".
-- Marc
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This is exactly why we need "Stuctured Data for Commons" and I for one was really disappointed to see it get tossed onto the back burner yet again: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/2015_Community_Wishlist_Survey/Archive#Struc...
On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 6:35 AM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi, It is. I am one of the people who agitated for Commons to be created in the first place. I care about Commons and I hate the lack of usability with a passion. Wikimedians on the other hand cost us additional money in order to cope with Commons.
What is your problem in acknowledging that using Commons is a big problem. It is so bad that I typically refuse to add categories because they are not easy to guess and therefore to apply. At some stage it is at least what I hoped for, a repository for use for WMF projects. As a re-use facility it is a failure. Thanks, GerardM
On 3 December 2015 at 00:09, Gnangarra gnangarra@gmail.com wrote:
There is a big difference here between an individual and the Wikimedia Foundation using Wikimedia Commons
On 3 December 2015 at 07:03, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi, There is an excuse. You may know those categories, I do not and I do
not
even try to find images in Commons for my blog. It is too hard to find things. The search is neither efficient nor intuitive.
For me Commons and Wikisource could do with an abundant sprinkling of improved user interface. It is geared up for people adding data not
really
for people using data. The approach is way too dogmatic as well. So no, thank you. Thanks, GerardM
On 2 December 2015 at 23:56, Gnangarra gnangarra@gmail.com wrote:
29 million photos, 30 seconds type category:coffee cups https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Coffee_cups 90 photos subcategory cups of coffee a further 700 images not really difficult
to
find or navigate to what you need.
There is no excuse for fundraising team to not use a Free licensed photograph and message to the community they are suppose to be trying
to
support and promote either on commons-l or here sayo=ing they need an
image
of a cup of coffee from above would have got them even more to choose
from,
On 2 December 2015 at 22:53, Marc A. Pelletier marc@uberbox.org
wrote:
On 15-12-02 09:46 AM, John Mark Vandenberg wrote:
It wouldnt have been hard to make a free photo of a coffee, or
even
create a derivative of this lovely CC0 SVG
I don't think I'm concerned about the foundation fundraising staff deciding to use a stock photo - expedience and all, but I'm pretty
sure
that had they known about that (absolutely gorgeous) SVG, they'd
have
used it.
... which I guess is my way of saying "OMG commons actually *sucks*
for
reuse because it's so hard to find stuff on it that many people no longer even try!!1!one!".
-- Marc
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On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 12:03 AM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
For me Commons and Wikisource could do with an abundant sprinkling of improved user interface.
Well, of course. But, from where I see it, this is something to be address centrally: Commons and Wikisource communities are fairly small and at least in Wikisource we don't have any volunteer designers or UX people. The amount of staff time dedicated from the WMF to Wikisource is zero, from the beginning (I don't know about Commons). So, yes, you're right, but this is not a problem that communities can solve by themselves.
Aubrey
(sorry for the OT)
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