On the bright side, this does reduce the cost of space exploration with cheaper access to low earth orbit. :)

The problem is adminship became something like knighthood even though it is barely significant. Perhaps more admin tools should be available to those "worthy" such as how rollback became no big deal.

Also maybe calling them "administrators" is a problem. Original SysOp sounds less authoritarian. I know administrator also means Janitor in English but I noticed the problem when newbies, particularly non-native speakers perceive the status.

Another point I like to make is how BJODAN was removed. Indeed it was a problem and its removal was more or less a blessing but the wiki became too serious business (intentional LOLCAT reference).

These are just a few ideas to consider...

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On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 21:52, Kim Bruning kim@bruning.xs4all.nl wrote:

In reference to people wanting to be nicer to newbies, (and next to the obvious step of us really needing to make it more frelling obvious that YES YOU CAN EDIT)

... that doesn't help much if the entire community has come down with adminitis and kicks anyone who tries to edit out of the wiki and up into low earth orbit.

   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Adminitis

So qua editor retention, 2 things are needed:

• Make editing more obvious and easy, and bring the fun back. :-)
• Work on The Cure For Adminitis (tm). O:-)

sincerely, Kim Bruning

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Kim Bruning, 02/11/2011 21:52:

So qua editor retention, 2 things are needed:

• Make editing more obvious and easy, and bring the fun back. :-)
• Work on The Cure For Adminitis (tm). O:-)

The only known cure is abstention: either wikibreak or editing on a wiki where you're not sysop or on the same wiki but as IP or with a sockpuppet. But we could try some saturnalia where e.g. rollbackers are given all sysops rights, sysops lose all sysop rights and arbitrators lose even rights given to autoconfirmed users. :-D

Nemo