Dear Angela,
I wanted to contact you since sometimes now but was hinder to do so and
couldn't found the way to do so.
Thats why I am using that mail to tell you about the problem.
It is about a site, english, called Talk Bogdanovs affair"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:213.237.21.6
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Bogdanov_Affair
For about 2 weeks ago, one of the user, YBM, begin to deleet all my edit on
this site and hindered me to can say anything on that site.
I had discovered some pretty annoying informations about that personns and
its real reasons to be opposed to the Bogdanovs.
Pretending that the problem was scientifics inaccuracies, he was in fact,
during 2 whole years, attacking the Bogdanovs and their books based on an
ideologie called "postsituationism" and which rules are to create a falsh
assuption that something is wrong and to get as many "idiots" (as they call
them in their web site) to follow them.
The higher the idiot are, the beter: here it will be scientists, and they
fooled some!
They use all kind of tricks, fordgery of documents put at disposition on
line, falsh identity, write letters to the employer of the people they
attack, insult the people, accuse them of being uneducated, to disposed of
those having the necessary scientific bagground to dismantle their
accusations, and denial.
The found I made was done through earlier victims from that group, and
essentially of YBM, who contacted me, and told me about what happened to
them 2 years ago, prior to this Bogdanovs affair. They are writers, one of
them a cooking book, and they became victims of the savage attacks of YBM,
and this postsituationists organisation, which costed them their job.
YBM stopped when he saw a chance at getting even bigger and more
international with the Bogdanovs story.
A paper was edited against their thesis in a scientific journal, but a
dementie was given 4 days later.
Nonetheless, YBm begin his home made story who has now put much discredit on
the Bogdanovs brothers and their thesis and their book, and has involved
thousands of people and known scientists.
It was therefor very important that I came out with this vital information
about hte truth of the all story, the bluff it all was.
YBM tried to hinder me doing so by removíng my edit as many times as I put
it on, and using the revert function which I didn't knew about at that time.
I wrote to César (Céréal@killer) from the equivalent french site about it,
but he was busy at that time and couldn't do much to help me.
I was suddendly bannished from the site, as YBM had accused me of being the
one vandalizing the site, and convinced an admi of it.
I tried subsequently to explain the other users and the admi that it wasn't
so, and explecitly asked for the course of action to take in case of
security flaw in form of a user accusing another user of vandalism when this
user was in fact the one performing it.
I didn't received any answer, but a threat and was accused by the dmi to
have deleeted her answer??!!!
Of course I didn't have, but was banished for a week!
I was very angry at the turn of event, and during the time I was banished,
this sudden appearing admi did deleete all my posts and delleeted all the
entire site (!) up to the 2nd of september!
This site was opened in march this year so you can imagine all the
informations who went out.
This include the scientificals proove from the doctors Igor and Grichka
Bogdanov, evidences against all the points of attack made by their
detractors.
All the important links are also gone.
This has been doen from an admi who had never been on this site and never
interested herself for this affair and didn't knew about the past of people
like YBM.
For exemple on the french wiki about this subject, but also all over the
web, and his forums where he attack the Bogdanovs based on their physical
appearences and age...
He has on this site also given the title "GARBAGE" to 2 of my edit, among
them this revelation about his true motives, which I changed to "VERY
IMPORTANT STATEMENT" that he changed again for garbage and accused me of
vandalisme on my own articles!!
Which was taken as serious by the admi who banished me subsequently from the
site!
Without noticing that he also had deleeted my texts, and also that he was
using and abusing of the revert function every night, reverting the site up
to 7 times per hours.
No warning nor punishment was given to this YBM about that, and he wasn't
even accused of havin´g done so, but I was!!!
On the top of that, the first time I was banish, for 24 hours, it was
without warning at all, without explainations, and the name of the admi
having banished me was Cereal@killer, whom I was in constant contact with,
and whom i was refering of the sabotage I was victim of by YBM, each and
every night, often several times by night.
He couldn't do a thing has he didn't knew any admi from the english
site...and I didn't knew enough about the wiki communications system, and
there was no admi name on my site, so I didn't knew who else to contact.
It was very frustrationg to be put the hand on the mouth for more than a
week and not able to do anything or contact anybody about it, as the
criminal was accusing me of sabotaging the site, at the same time.
I think that it is about time to gather people together and to decide what
to do about this YBM, and about the conduct of this admi who deleeted all
the site.
out of 8 users, 5 are against the changes that the admi have performed and
don't feel free to express themselves as she always take side on YBM and
blame any attempts made to contradict him.
On the 3 other users, one is YBM and I am not in touch with the others, but
one of them must be julien who used to send me private mail as to ask for my
mening and in fact insulted me many times.
Until I very seriously convinced him to stop mailing me.
It occur one week before YBM begin to deleete all my articles on the site.
This YBM is engeneer in informatic and could have done many things, among it
put the name of cereal killer as the admi having banished me, thought it
wasn't César who did it.
The admi of this site who have sabotage all the site is Bishonen, a girl,
and the admi who is looking at it for César since yesterday is Sam Hocevar.
But.. as most of the site, 95 to 99 %, has been deleeted by the grace of
Bishonen, it remain difficult for someone to conduct an enquiry on this
affair now.
I was banished a week, finishing today, and what i come back to is a dead
zone.
Bishonen removed all the day after she had taken care to displace me on an
isolated place where I could shout loud and be heard by nobody.
I couldn't either visit any of the other site of wiki during this banishing
period, nor write an email to the administrator of the site,or any other
administrators.
She pretended that if i had any proove of her wrongness she will upheave
this banishment immediatly, but in fact she never aswered my questions but
answered once about something all apart from the subject.
She also accused me on the site of having abused of the revert function,
knowing it was impossible as I had first known about it after she had
banished me once for a day, and that YBM tried again to remove my articles,
and I replaced it using that function. From that time he stopped to remove
my articles, as it will have been much easier for me to replace them, but i
was banished for a week the day after, on the accusation that I had deleeted
the answer of Bishonen on the site.
I had done nothing of the kind, and asked for her to remove her accusations
from the site: she had even put it as a title of her answer, with my name on
it...
I do not like to see this stalinistic censorship governing on wiki, not do i
like to see those machiavelics methods used by unpunished users, nor the
threatening methods used by this admi to keep all the other users dancing on
her key note, without a word against the outrageous sabotage who is taking
place on the site.
I would like you to take a look at it and to have a discussion with the
creator of Wiki, about what to do to inforce security and prevent that a
user performing sabotages use of wiki security system against such to report
his victims as being those vandalazing the site or his own articles?
What can i do as a user when a admi make error or deliberatly take side with
this kind of person, and threaten all others?
I have been told goodnight stories and now I would like to see som real
facts, actions taking place.
Can wiki tolerate this kind of behaviour without reacting?
Whom can a user contact directly when this kind of thing occur, wihtout
having to wait 2 weeks like here, and before the whole site is destroyed
beyond recognition, and in a way who will seriously handicapped any enquiry.
Many times I felt like if I had to do the job of the admi as this one wasn't
anywhere to be seen. And now that he is not asked for he is there all the
time and bloking everybody to intervene except for YBM.
How can the replacement of my own texts and title be considered as
vandalism, and how can the guy who did it be left in peace and protected?
I have been seriously hurted by this chain of event and by the unjustice who
continue to dominate this affair.
I don't think it is allright to just look the other way and let this be asit
is "until next time".
I ask for justice and i am in the right to do so.
This Bishonen admi made laugh at the first amendment, I replied to her by
asking her, " well, where would you be without it, and what wiki?
It will also be a good idea to look at the communication site of this
Bishonen where she is talking with some of her friends admi?, and this YBM,
agree with him about that my IP signature is anonymous (!!) and decide to
banish me for a week.
I always signed with Sophie XAL followed by my ip adress who appear by
pushing on the signature button.
I think that this is too much and that this story against the Bogdanovs has
to end.
I founded the piece of evidence to stop all those speculations, after only 3
weeks following this affair, and it was so important that YBM was ready to
go all that way to hinder me to show it as all the people who had followed
him until now will see who he really was, and what were his real motives all
along: manipulations on line.
An experiment, in virtual reality, as some philosophers made thought
experiments.
And now the best, how to manipulate an admi on wiki, and get all the
mountain of evidences to diseappear in 48 hours.
I hope that YOU will be able to act decisively and that YOU are the one that
I should have contacted from the beginning.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:213.237.21.6
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Bogdanov_Affair
Best regards,
Sophie Petterka
sophie(a)nostromo.dk
0045 35 82 31 39
Copenhaguen
Danmark
----- Original Message -----
From: "Angela" <beesley(a)gmail.com>
To: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List" <foundation-l(a)wikimedia.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 12:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Donation drive stopped early with
insufficientfunds collected
On 9/6/05, Tim Starling <t.starling(a)physics.unimelb.edu.au> wrote:
I'm wondering why the donation drive was stopped
early, before the
enough money was collected to cover the Foundation's Q3 budget of
$198,000. After our discussion in August about the German chapter, I
thought it was fairly clear that those funds could not be used for the
general operating expenses of the Florida Foundation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Revert
I expect the people editing the sitenotice were unaware that the drive
was meant to be a "21-day" one rather than one which would end when
the initial goal was met, as it was last time.
Angela.
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