[Affiliates] Recognition of Wikimedia Community User Group Albania - Wikimedia-l

27 Feb 2019

      Dears,
I am reaching out as Wikipedia contributor heavily interested in the growth
of our movement and as far as this thread is concerned as a member of
Wikimedia Community User Group Albania.
We were carefully reading the discussion on this thread and after
consideration with the other members from our group, we would like to
clarify some of the issues mentioned here. Our comments are not related to
any AffCom actual policies or future policy proposals since in our opinion
these should be part of another thread and not related to this one. We have
applied to be recognized as a user group based on the rules that were
active at the time of the application and also have answered questions from
the AffCom team. Without further ado here are the main points from our
side.
*0. 'similar' previous cases *
The majority of the comments in this thread are expressing concerns based
on previous case studies in other countries where two UGs were operating.
This seems quite judgemental about our work and about what will happen in
the future. This is quite surprising for a community like ours (I'm
referring to the Wikimedia community in general) where openness and
inclusion are promoted intensively by all of us. The concept that everyone
is welcome to work with the group of people that feels more productive
should be the standard and not the exception also in the Wikimeda community
in our opinion. Local or thematic user groups are tools to further grow our
movement, and it is not fair to judge by the fact that somewhere members of
different user groups had conflicts with each other and as a result not to
have user groups that have smaller or bigger differences in their
activities. It is just like banning all the knifes in the word because
someone in a corner of the world decided to harm someone else using a
knife...  At our UG we don't know the details of the conflicts of other
user groups, but we are sure that when members of one ore more UGs are
dedicated to have a conflict  with another UG they will find a way to do
it. Speaking for our user group we are just a group of Wikimedians that
want to contribute to the Wikimedia movement in Albania (where we live) by
doing what we know and the way we beoperate. Having said this we would
kindly ask not to jump into conclusions for the behavior of user groups
based on incidents that have happened elsewhere.
*1. differences between UGs *
Once again here are two main points to be taken into consideration:
*1.1 focus in Albania as a country (not in the language) *
One of the important elements of having more than one user group approved
is avoiding overlapping of focus. From the comments in this thread it is
clear that our focus is Albania geographically and as a country (not
linguistically) and at not more than two main areas: GLAM and Wiki in
Education! We strongly believe that these areas and the focus at a
geographical level are under-served to say at least and there are many many
indications that prove this.
Regarding the comments about the differences between the two UGs: a similar
example would be a Spanish Language UG (if it existed)  and Columbia
Community UG (that we would assume would contribute to the ES Wikipedia).
These two UGs would clearly have many reasons and would be legit to be
recognized, just as in our case where Wikimedia Community User Group
Albania is focused in activities in Albania (not defined by the language),
which we think is more productive due to the dedication in one specific
area. Of course since October 2017 when we sent the application to AffCom,
but even before when we started working on creating the UG, we wanted to be
clear about the main focus of our activities following our strong belief
that being focused only in the areas we feel we have expertise would make
our work and the final 'product' better.
*2. overlapping of activities*
There are at least 37 museums listed at the moment in SQ Wikipedia, and
hundreds of schools in 36 cities in Albania counting thousands of students
and hundreds of teachers. Even if Albania is a small country, there is so
much work to be done and any help and engagement of any level is more than
welcome. If we all have good intentions and if all active User Groups in
the area are positive towards each other it is actually quite easy to avoid
overlapping and develop SQ Wikipedia from (only) 75000 articles to hundreds
of thousands of more articles. In a few words, there is space for
activities from many user groups and even more projects to implement in two
areas that we are working on GLAM and Wiki in Education.
Up until today here is what we as a user group have done in order to avoid
any conflict that would generate overlapping:
*- planning activities ahead *
All our activities are planned ahead in our monthly meetings and are
published accordingly. Any Wikipedian in the area can check the notes and
see where is our focus in the next months and avoid overlapping.
*- transparency *
documenting note meetings in meta pages where everyone can clearly see what
we are planning ahead and what we have done so far. Again if any UG or
concerned wikimedian is interested in not having overlapping activities a
simple check would do the work.
*3. potential conflict between two UGs*
During our monthly UG meetings we have agreed that we will work on avoiding
conflicts which will create an unpleasant situation for the Wikimdia
Movement in Albania. An example that shows our efforts on avoiding
conflicts is the fact that although members of our user group have worked
previously for the organization of Wiki Loves Monuments competition, we
asked members of the the other user group (WoALUG) if we can host it. In
their answer they informed us  that they wanted to organize it and after
the response we stepped down. Another example is Open Source Conference
Albania, the yearly conference where we wanted to be present with our User
Group with an info booth, but since the other user group applied for the
booth we again stepped down in order to avoid any unpleasant discussions
and avoid confusion to the public. We could also add the fact that
activities from our user group are actually less promoted by the SQ
Wikipedia twitter account, but again we have not initiated any discussion
that could be a potential conflict between user groups.
*4. respecting policies from AffCom*
Before applying we checked carefully the AffCom policy for naming of the
user group, logo, CoC and of course other policies defined by AffCom. Our
application was prepared with total respect to these policies which we
followed and still do.
Last but not least, we would like to stress out the fact that after almost
a year of being active, in our knowledge there have NOT been any concerns
officially addressed to us from any user group. Even if this happens we
would be more than willing to either not get involved in the same projects
and do our best to facilitate the process of finding a solution. Sincerely,
we started our user group as a way of contributing to the growth of
Wikimedia Movement in Albania, a place where we also live and contribute at
social level, with people that we respect and work collectively in a
productive way. We are willing to spend a lot of volunteer time to move the
movement forward in collaboration with public institutions that are willing
to empower the commons in the Republic of Albania.  While doing so we are
also open to any UG that want to collaborate in the thematic areas and
country we operate based on our UG description.
The open source and open knowledge movement has proved since day one that
remixing, forking, sharing resources and improving upon each others work
generates progress for all of us, which is basically true if you see that
there is quite some growth in terms of activities (from both UGs mentioned
here) in SQ Wikipedia since our group got recognition. Again there are so
many projects that can be implemented and there is space for as many people
as possible!
Representing Wikimedia Community User Group Albania
Silva Arapi.
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From: Фархад Фаткуллин / Farkhad Fatkullin frhd@yandex.com
Date: Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 7:43 PM
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Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Recognition of Wikimedia Community
User Group Albania
To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Dear colleagues,
Cooperation with external entities is best organized through either
national chapters or thematic organizations, which should be predominantly
self-supporting, thus quasi-independent from WMF.  I support Kiril's advice
that WoALUG should be evolving towards a Wikimedia thematic organization,
whilst our WCUGA colleagues in Albania should consider evolving towards a
national chapter (thus stepping out of WoALUG's way in anything that has to
do with ethnic language and culture matters).
At the same time, emails below don't seem to provide good enough reasons
to force transformation of a recognized UG into a national chapter or
thematic organization before they are ready to make that leap, even if
having these structures is very important for the ongoing sustainability of
the movement. I am happy to see that our Thai colleagues seem to have
reached this stage
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_chapters#Chapters_in_discussion_ph...
UGs are a wonderful tool for greater engagement of volunteers, supporting
their desire to take greater steps, so the trend for approving new UGs is
probably there for good (every city, sub-region or sub-topic being
eligible). Keeping the door open is important, just like the chance to fail
and get de-recognized. May I remind you that harmony within the community
of Wikimedia volunteers is more important than the destiny of whatever
Wikimedia affiliate, whose main function is a shell that brings together
and gives some recognized identity to local volunteers' that run own
projects.
regards,
farhad
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Farkhad Fatkullin - Фархад Фаткуллин http://sikzn.ru/ Тел.+79274158066 /
skype:frhdkazan / Wikipedia:frhdkazan
25.02.2019, 17:09, "Kiril Simeonovski" kiril.simeonovski@gmail.com:
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Hi Greta,
Thank you for the explanation.
This reminds me a lot to what happened in Macedonia, albeit with
different
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names of the recognised user groups. The artificially created problem by
the Aff Com has eventually ended up in two user groups being eligible for
WMF grants (another contentious decision), then a raising concern that
the
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WMF can not extend funds to two user groups in a small country serving
community with a small number of speakers and finally a substantial
reduction of the annual grants approved for 2019 and threat that no
grants
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will be extended for 2020 if the conflict does not get resolved. My kind
advice for you is to start thinking about external funding for the next
budget year (though it is not an easy task in our region) because this is
something that the WMF might do for Albania as well.
I also strongly agree with Paulo that we need to start thinking about
preventing this from happening in the future. The problem is not only
that
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people do not care about the consequences from their decisions in a
volunteer community but that they just bagger off after complicating
things
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and simply leave the issue to be solved by the volunteers who did not
want
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it to happen. I was thinking about introducing a complaint process on
Meta
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where people from the communities can directly complain about similar
instances of problems created by the WMF, the Aff Com, the grantmaking
committees or any other decision-making party. Frankly speaking, my
impression is that the movement migrates from decisions about big things
made through community-based discussions to a centralised decision-making
process made entirely within the WMF or the committees that do not seem
to
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serve all communities equally.
Best,
Kiril
On Mon, Feb 25, 2019 at 2:17 PM Paulo Santos Perneta <
paulosperneta@gmail.com> wrote:
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Hi Greta,
Thank you very much for your clarifications and insight into this
question.
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This is very similar with what happened in Brazil, when the 2013
 chapter-like UG (Grupo de Usuários Wikimedia no Brasil) and its clone
UG
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(Wiki Educação Brasil) approved by AffCom in 2015 ended up competing
for
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the same activities and partnerships.
Hopefully this time AffCom will not have the reckless approach they had
 with Brazil, extinguishing both groups to try to solve a problem they
 created themselves, and our wikimedian friends from Albania and
Albanian
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Language will be spared the destruction of their community.
I believe that we, as the broad community, really should do something
to
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prevent this kind of thing which is mining and destroying parts of the
 Wikimedia Movement. It is not possible that we have to stay here
quietly
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seeing AffCom dealing with all those cases in such an incompetent and
 reckless way. If it's obviously not working, why keep it that way?
Best,
 Paulo
Greta Doçi gretadoci@gmail.com escreveu no dia segunda, 25/02/2019
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12:34:
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Dear everyone,
First, we want to thank everyone who contributed in this discussion.
We want to start with the first conflict, which is the name. If you
read
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carefully Affcon's email above, and you check the info online as
claimed
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by
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Affcon, you will see that actually Affcon itself has confused both UG
names, crediting events to the other UG, that actually are done by
our
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UG (
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WoALUG
<
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedians_of_Albanian_Language_User_Group
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)
and vice versa.
After the new UG was recognized and people started raising questions
in
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this thread, we received an email by Affcon to explain to them what
we
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thought was the overlapping. We did send our activities and
explained why
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we thought there was overlapping. Reading Camelias and Sami email
above,
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clearly that email was ignored.
Exactly during the time that the new UG was applying, the old one
(WoALUG)
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was applying for the annual simple grant, which btw took us at least
4
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months to complete, all our activities in Albania were clearly
stated,
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and
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GLAM and EDUCATION were our main goals. There are also institutions
mentioned and details of what we wanted to do in Albania. So,
claiming
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that
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theres no overlapping of activities is not valid.
WoALUG goes beyond Albania or Kosovo, because some Albanian
contributors
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who don't live in Albania created it at the first place, so we wish
we
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can
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help Albanian speakers in diaspora to continue to contribute, and if
they
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need information, sources or whatever, our team present in Albania,
Kosova,
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Macedonia, or Arberesh in Italy, will use our resources to make that
happen. Our UG means to be inclusive of what is a small Wikimedia
language
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community anyways.
GLAM and Education institutions are depended on public institutions.
To
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collaborate with an institution, let's say Historic Museum of
Albania,
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you
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need to get permission from the Ministry of Culture. Think about the
scenario (which is currently happening): one UG requests to
collaborate
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with Museum of Elbasan and the other UG want to collaborate with
Museum
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of
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Tirana, both should sent the request to Ministry of Culture.
Wikipedia
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is a
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new thing (still) in Albania, considering that is already hard to
establish
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collaborations with public institutions, confusing the UGs will
result in
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bad outcome for both UGs.
And of course, for the other private institutions, it is a
competition
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who
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is going to contact them first.
Splitting institutions is also not an option because for sure we
will aim
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the same ones, since there's not that many of them.
We were confused, we still are and none of our members have the time
to
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follow this even after a year.
on behalf of Wikimedians of Albanian Language User Group
<
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedians_of_Albanian_Language_User_Group
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On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 7:30 PM Фархад Фаткуллин / Farkhad Fatkullin
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frhd@yandex.com> wrote:
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Dear Kiril and Paulo,
Thank you for explanations.
You have my deepest respect for showing your concern for our fellow
colleagues from Albania, so they avoid repeating the mistakes that
have
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been made previously elsewhere. Just like you, I certainly hope
that
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our
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volunteer-colleagues serving in AffCom did their best to assess and
minimize possible risks that might come in case of competition. As
for
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Albanian language & Albania centered multilingual UGs, let's hope
they
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are
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getting along well and work hand in hand on the aspects in which
they
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can
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help advancing each other's missions.
Our current situation is actually encouraging us to consider
developing
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Russian-speaking UGs in all regions of Russia, and my home Republic
might
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be one of the first ones where this will be useful. Our chapter
consist
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of
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representatives of various Wikimedia projects, languages & ethnic
groups,
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but our weakness is rather low regional representation and
empowerment,
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which we hope to balance through UGs. The world is in constant
flux, so
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eventually we might also witness similar competition for attention
that
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you
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are talking about. We currently don't seem to have reasons for
conflict
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between Wikimedia Russia chapter and Russian & other language or
territorial UGs because:

UGs have representatives in the national chapter
National chapter meetings are broadcast live on YouTube,
Chapter leadership prioritizes country-wide tasks of importance

for
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growing the movement,

Wikimedia projects in Russian and other languages are not that

famous
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yet,

neither affiliates, nor individuals in Russia get their grant

requests
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approved by WMF (there are reasons for that), and

Russian language is teaching us to be anarchic inside (affiliate

structures are nothing more than just legal tools), whilst locals
have
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centuries-old history of living together in Hunnic Empire, Cumania,
Mongolic Empire, Golden Horde, Russian Empire, Soviet Union & now
Russian
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Federation (something we remember despite the fact that Golden
Horde
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and
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earlier ones don't get much coverage in high-school history
courses).
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regards,
farhad
--
Farkhad Fatkullin - Фархад Фаткуллин http://sikzn.ru/
Тел.+79274158066 /
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skype:frhdkazan / Wikipedia:frhdkazan
15.02.2019, 17:37, "Paulo Santos Perneta" <paulosperneta@gmail.com
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Hi Farhad,
It is very easily understood by the so called Brazilian scenario:
Step 1 - AffCom recognizes a chapter style UG, with geographic
focus
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Step 2 - Dissidents from first group start warring first UG while
attempting to form a second UG, clone of the first UG
Step 3 - AffCom recognizes second UG
Step 4 - Conflict between UGs dramatically increases with time,
spreading
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into the Wikimedia projects
Step 5 - AffCom dissolves both UGs
Current status: No recognized Wikimedia community in the country
My opinion: Terrible disservice by AffCom to the Wikimedia
Movement.
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Best,
Paulo
Фархад Фаткуллин / Farkhad Fatkullin frhd@yandex.com escreveu
no
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dia
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sexta, 15/02/2019 à(s) 10:59:
> Dear Kiril, Philip and colleagues,
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> Please explain the nature of reasons that cause trouble in
having
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multiple
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> Wikimedia affiliates in the area, as this seems to be context
specific.
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> It's possible that our context in Russia is very different,
which
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is
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why
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> we are actually welcoming creation of new UGs throughout the
country,
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both
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> territorially and thematically oriented ones (on top of the
Wikimedia
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> Russia national chapter).
> Should you give more reasons why this seems causing conflict, I
might.
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> Over here we are quite happy with existing collaboration at all
levels
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and
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> are even looking forward to developing a mechanism to speed up
their
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> formation throughout the country - namely
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https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Languages_of_Russia_Community_User...
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> Myself and other representatives of Wikimedia Russia discussed
this
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in
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> detail and welcomed by AffCom secretary during Wikimania 2017
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https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Frhdkazan/Wikimania2017#Aug.12
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And
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> in the framework of https://ru.wikimedia.org/wiki/Smart_region
> initiative, I will eventually proceed to registering a
Tatarstan-oriented
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> thematic multilingual UG, on top of recently registered
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https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Community_of_Tatar_language_User_G...
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> & Wikimedia Russia, in both of which I am currently a member.
>
> regards,
> farhad
>
> --
> Farkhad Fatkullin - Фархад Фаткуллин http://sikzn.ru/
Тел.+79274158066 /
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> skype:frhdkazan / Wikipedia:frhdkazan
>
> 14.02.2019, 03:25, "Kiril Simeonovski" <
kiril.simeonovski@gmail.com
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> > Hi Paulo,
> >
> > Camelia's paragraph that you referred to tells a story that is
exactly
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> the
> > opposite of what the Affiliations Committee is doing in
practice.
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The
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> > so-called 'Brazilian scenario' emerged in Macedonia when, in
2016,
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the
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> > committee decided to recognise a second user group on the same
territory
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> > without consulting the existing one. This has eventually
developed
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into a
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> > problem regarding the overlap in the scope of the two user
groups
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and the
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> > resolution was normally sought from the people (more
importantly
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> > volunteers) who were not willing this to happen. It should be
also
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noted
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> > that Macedonia is a country with only 2 million inhabitants
unlike
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> Brazil's
> > over 200 million and this has been mentioned numerous times by
different
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> > people in the movement to refer to the severity of the
problem.
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> > My opinion is that the Affiliations Committee has no vision on
the
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future
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> > of the Wikimedia movement and their main efficiency indicator
is
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the
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> number
> > of user groups they recognise with no care about the
consequencies
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of the
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> > apparent wrongdoing. They managed to bring the tally to over
100
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user
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> > groups and the Wikimedia Foundation even got engaged to
celebrate
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this
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> > achievement, while they did not give a damn about the problems
that
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they
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> > have posed with their light-minded routine. Moreover, when you
approach
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> > them with some relevant questions, they simply brush off and
respond
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> with a
> > months-long delay.
> >
> > In conclusion, the Affiliations Committee is artificially
creating
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> problems
> > as a result of their recognition policy and is seeking
resolution
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from
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> > volunteers that were not consulted at all about the potential
> > consequencies. This is a waste of volunteer time and efforts
for
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> something
> > that could have easily been prevented. Unfortunately, the
Wikimedia
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> > Foundation and some other voices in the movement contribute to
this
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> misery
> > and it is highly unprobable that any complaint to any one in
the
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movement
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> > would pay off.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Kiril
> >
> > On сре., 13 фев. 2019 г. at 16:13 Paulo Santos Perneta <
> > paulosperneta@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> camelia boban camelia.boban@gmail.com escreveu no dia
terça,
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> 12/02/2019
> >> à(s) 11:18:
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> >> > (...)
> >> > In line with the philosophy of the inclusion of the
movement,
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AffCom
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> has
> >> > acted as it always does when it receives affiliation
requests:
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it
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> >> assesses
> >> > the territorial overlap and the declared purpose of the
requests
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with
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> >> > others affiliates present in the territory, contacting the
already
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> >> > recognized affiliates to hear from them about any concerns,
using
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the
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> >> > experience and knowledge on the territory of each of its
members.
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> >> >
> >>
> >> I suppose this was not in effect back in 2015, when Wiki
Education
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> Brazil
> >> was approved, as neither the existing affiliate in Brazil -
UG
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> Wikimedia
> >> in Brazil -, nor Wikimedia Portugal, have been consulted
about
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it,
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even
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> >> when it totally overlapped with the territory of the existing
> affiliate in
> >> Brazil, and was announced by AffCom as having a Lusophone
target,
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> therefore
> >> interfering in Portugal as well. Furthermore, at the date it
was
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> approved,
> >> Wiki Education Brazil was already in open conflict with the
existing
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> >> affiliate in Brazil, which makes the approval decision by
AffCom
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> absolutely
> >> incomprehensible.
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> >> Actually, I really fail to understand why the candidatures to
AffCom
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> >> continue allowed to be proposed in absolute secrecy, leaving
any
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> problems
> >> caused by their approvals to be dealt with by the community
after
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the
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> >> problem is already installed. Does not seem a very clever
way of
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> acting.
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> >> Best,
> >>
> >> Paulo - DarwIn
> >> Wikimedia Portugal
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