Hello, all.
I’m writing to update you all on an emerging human rights concern related to the invasion of Ukraine. We are concerned that an effort is being made to identify Wikipedia editors whose activities are seen as opposing the Russian narrative of the war.
I wanted to let you know that we are aware, we are monitoring, and we are acting in various ways already. While we cannot discuss the details for the safety of all involved, over a year ago, we hired a Human Rights Lead https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Human_Rights_Team with experience in individual safety to help us with such situations. This includes partnerships with allied organizations experienced in human rights interventions as well as connecting with appropriate community groups and functionaries to provide safety support. We care about the safety of Wikimedians, and I know that you do, too. We have heard as much from many of you directly.
I want to take this opportunity to raise your awareness of the need to protect yourselves and each other online. It’s such a cliche that I’m almost hesitant to write it, but in this world, sharing information is sometimes a radical act. Because of this, we ask you all to please be aware of what information you share about yourself on Wikimedia platforms and how your Wikimedia activities can be connected to your personal identity. Some Wikimedians have chosen to operate transparently. Others have chosen to operate under pseudonyms. Whatever path you’ve chosen, there are best practices for your personal protection. Some guidance has been gathered here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Voices_under_Threat
At the same time as I share these recommendations, I want to firmly assert that all who try to get people vital information in times of crisis - whether Wikimedian or otherwise - should be celebrated. At the core of our movement is the belief that knowledge belongs to everyone, and the Foundation is firmly against efforts by anyone to stand in the way of the flow of verifiable information in whatever forum it is shared. I believe, as is the way with all Wikimedians, that the path to a better world is to ensure people everywhere have access to knowledge, and that we, as collective societies, should provide them the tools to assess the accuracy of the information they encounter. Censorship is not the solution.
If you have information to share about this situation or about other potential threats of persecution to the safety of Wikimedia volunteers due to their good faith contributions to the projects, please share with talktohumanrights@wikimedia.org. The team is quite busy and may not be able to respond to all communications because of that, but they do read them, and your emails do matter.
I wish the best for all of you who read this and for all seekers of information and sharers of information in Ukraine, Russia, Belarus, and beyond. We will share updates of the situation here as we are able within the framework of prioritizing people’s safety. In the meantime, I’d like to take the opportunity to highlight the efforts of some Wikimedians related to the invasion of Ukraine https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine.
Warm regards,
Maggie
Thank you Maggie for your message.
Let us know when the movement should communicate about this terrible news. I'm sure that a lot of affiliates would be happy to communicate on that topic, contact our governments and human rights NGOs, but we don't want to make things worse for Pessimist2006 and others editors living in Belarus, Russia and Ukraine.
Best regards,
This situation does raise the question why the WMF decided to widely publish a human rights policy that will make the Wikimedia projects appear in less of a neutral stance than before.
The fact that this move will endanger volunteers was even acknowledged in the FAQs [1], but was just waived off as something that will have little impact. It should be clear by now that the WMF is not in a position to protect those it endangers adequatly, so it might be worthwile in the future to have a less US-centric approach to social topics. It doesn't mean that such a policy shouldn't exist - but the WMF should be aware that announcing this policy on all possible media channels can't be the right approach if it doesn't want to make volunteers' work even more difficult and dangerous.
[1]: https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Human_Rights_Policy/Frequently_... ?
On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 at 11:02, Pierre-Yves Beaudouin via Wikimedia-l < wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote:
Thank you Maggie for your message.
Let us know when the movement should communicate about this terrible news. I'm sure that a lot of affiliates would be happy to communicate on that topic, contact our governments and human rights NGOs, but we don't want to make things worse for Pessimist2006 and others editors living in Belarus, Russia and Ukraine.
Best regards,
*Pierre-Yves Beaudouin* *Membre du conseil d'administration* *-------------------------------------------------------------------------* *WIKIMEDIA FRANCE* Association pour le libre partage de la connaissance *www.wikimedia.fr http://www.wikimedia.fr/* *28 rue de Londres, 75009 PARIS* https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1234174880
Le 2022-03-11 22:45, Maggie Dennis a écrit :
Hello, all.
I’m writing to update you all on an emerging human rights concern related to the invasion of Ukraine. We are concerned that an effort is being made to identify Wikipedia editors whose activities are seen as opposing the Russian narrative of the war.
I wanted to let you know that we are aware, we are monitoring, and we are acting in various ways already. While we cannot discuss the details for the safety of all involved, over a year ago, we hired a Human Rights Lead https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Human_Rights_Team with experience in individual safety to help us with such situations. This includes partnerships with allied organizations experienced in human rights interventions as well as connecting with appropriate community groups and functionaries to provide safety support. We care about the safety of Wikimedians, and I know that you do, too. We have heard as much from many of you directly.
I want to take this opportunity to raise your awareness of the need to protect yourselves and each other online. It’s such a cliche that I’m almost hesitant to write it, but in this world, sharing information is sometimes a radical act. Because of this, we ask you all to please be aware of what information you share about yourself on Wikimedia platforms and how your Wikimedia activities can be connected to your personal identity. Some Wikimedians have chosen to operate transparently. Others have chosen to operate under pseudonyms. Whatever path you’ve chosen, there are best practices for your personal protection. Some guidance has been gathered here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Voices_under_Threat
At the same time as I share these recommendations, I want to firmly assert that all who try to get people vital information in times of crisis - whether Wikimedian or otherwise - should be celebrated. At the core of our movement is the belief that knowledge belongs to everyone, and the Foundation is firmly against efforts by anyone to stand in the way of the flow of verifiable information in whatever forum it is shared. I believe, as is the way with all Wikimedians, that the path to a better world is to ensure people everywhere have access to knowledge, and that we, as collective societies, should provide them the tools to assess the accuracy of the information they encounter. Censorship is not the solution.
If you have information to share about this situation or about other potential threats of persecution to the safety of Wikimedia volunteers due to their good faith contributions to the projects, please share with talktohumanrights@wikimedia.org. The team is quite busy and may not be able to respond to all communications because of that, but they do read them, and your emails do matter.
I wish the best for all of you who read this and for all seekers of information and sharers of information in Ukraine, Russia, Belarus, and beyond. We will share updates of the situation here as we are able within the framework of prioritizing people’s safety. In the meantime, I’d like to take the opportunity to highlight the efforts of some Wikimedians related to the invasion of Ukraine https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine.
Warm regards,
Maggie
-- Maggie Dennis She/her/hers Vice President, Community Resilience & Sustainability Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.
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So you're saying if WMF didn't have a human rights policy, the user would have not been arrested? Similar to the "fact" that no Wikipedian has been arrested before the inception of the policy?
What kind of logic is this?
On Sat, Mar 12, 2022 at 3:18 PM Philip Kopetzky philip.kopetzky@gmail.com wrote:
This situation does raise the question why the WMF decided to widely publish a human rights policy that will make the Wikimedia projects appear in less of a neutral stance than before.
The fact that this move will endanger volunteers was even acknowledged in the FAQs [1], but was just waived off as something that will have little impact. It should be clear by now that the WMF is not in a position to protect those it endangers adequatly, so it might be worthwile in the future to have a less US-centric approach to social topics. It doesn't mean that such a policy shouldn't exist - but the WMF should be aware that announcing this policy on all possible media channels can't be the right approach if it doesn't want to make volunteers' work even more difficult and dangerous.
?
On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 at 11:02, Pierre-Yves Beaudouin via Wikimedia-l < wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote:
Thank you Maggie for your message.
Let us know when the movement should communicate about this terrible news. I'm sure that a lot of affiliates would be happy to communicate on that topic, contact our governments and human rights NGOs, but we don't want to make things worse for Pessimist2006 and others editors living in Belarus, Russia and Ukraine.
Best regards,
*Pierre-Yves Beaudouin* *Membre du conseil d'administration*
*-------------------------------------------------------------------------* *WIKIMEDIA FRANCE* Association pour le libre partage de la connaissance *www.wikimedia.fr http://www.wikimedia.fr/* *28 rue de Londres, 75009 PARIS* https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1234174880
Le 2022-03-11 22:45, Maggie Dennis a écrit :
Hello, all.
I’m writing to update you all on an emerging human rights concern related to the invasion of Ukraine. We are concerned that an effort is being made to identify Wikipedia editors whose activities are seen as opposing the Russian narrative of the war.
I wanted to let you know that we are aware, we are monitoring, and we are acting in various ways already. While we cannot discuss the details for the safety of all involved, over a year ago, we hired a Human Rights Lead https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Human_Rights_Team with experience in individual safety to help us with such situations. This includes partnerships with allied organizations experienced in human rights interventions as well as connecting with appropriate community groups and functionaries to provide safety support. We care about the safety of Wikimedians, and I know that you do, too. We have heard as much from many of you directly.
I want to take this opportunity to raise your awareness of the need to protect yourselves and each other online. It’s such a cliche that I’m almost hesitant to write it, but in this world, sharing information is sometimes a radical act. Because of this, we ask you all to please be aware of what information you share about yourself on Wikimedia platforms and how your Wikimedia activities can be connected to your personal identity. Some Wikimedians have chosen to operate transparently. Others have chosen to operate under pseudonyms. Whatever path you’ve chosen, there are best practices for your personal protection. Some guidance has been gathered here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Voices_under_Threat
At the same time as I share these recommendations, I want to firmly assert that all who try to get people vital information in times of crisis
- whether Wikimedian or otherwise - should be celebrated. At the core of
our movement is the belief that knowledge belongs to everyone, and the Foundation is firmly against efforts by anyone to stand in the way of the flow of verifiable information in whatever forum it is shared. I believe, as is the way with all Wikimedians, that the path to a better world is to ensure people everywhere have access to knowledge, and that we, as collective societies, should provide them the tools to assess the accuracy of the information they encounter. Censorship is not the solution.
If you have information to share about this situation or about other potential threats of persecution to the safety of Wikimedia volunteers due to their good faith contributions to the projects, please share with talktohumanrights@wikimedia.org. The team is quite busy and may not be able to respond to all communications because of that, but they do read them, and your emails do matter.
I wish the best for all of you who read this and for all seekers of information and sharers of information in Ukraine, Russia, Belarus, and beyond. We will share updates of the situation here as we are able within the framework of prioritizing people’s safety. In the meantime, I’d like to take the opportunity to highlight the efforts of some Wikimedians related to the invasion of Ukraine https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine.
Warm regards,
Maggie
-- Maggie Dennis She/her/hers Vice President, Community Resilience & Sustainability Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.
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Hi Amir,
I'm pretty sure I didn't write that there should not be a policy in place and I also didn't mention the current arrests, so what exactly are you referring to?
BR, Philip
On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 at 15:11, Amir Sarabadani ladsgroup@gmail.com wrote:
So you're saying if WMF didn't have a human rights policy, the user would have not been arrested? Similar to the "fact" that no Wikipedian has been arrested before the inception of the policy?
What kind of logic is this?
On Sat, Mar 12, 2022 at 3:18 PM Philip Kopetzky philip.kopetzky@gmail.com wrote:
This situation does raise the question why the WMF decided to widely publish a human rights policy that will make the Wikimedia projects appear in less of a neutral stance than before.
The fact that this move will endanger volunteers was even acknowledged in the FAQs [1], but was just waived off as something that will have little impact. It should be clear by now that the WMF is not in a position to protect those it endangers adequatly, so it might be worthwile in the future to have a less US-centric approach to social topics. It doesn't mean that such a policy shouldn't exist - but the WMF should be aware that announcing this policy on all possible media channels can't be the right approach if it doesn't want to make volunteers' work even more difficult and dangerous.
?
On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 at 11:02, Pierre-Yves Beaudouin via Wikimedia-l < wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote:
Thank you Maggie for your message.
Let us know when the movement should communicate about this terrible news. I'm sure that a lot of affiliates would be happy to communicate on that topic, contact our governments and human rights NGOs, but we don't want to make things worse for Pessimist2006 and others editors living in Belarus, Russia and Ukraine.
Best regards,
*Pierre-Yves Beaudouin* *Membre du conseil d'administration*
*-------------------------------------------------------------------------* *WIKIMEDIA FRANCE* Association pour le libre partage de la connaissance *www.wikimedia.fr http://www.wikimedia.fr/* *28 rue de Londres, 75009 PARIS* https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1234174880
Le 2022-03-11 22:45, Maggie Dennis a écrit :
Hello, all.
I’m writing to update you all on an emerging human rights concern related to the invasion of Ukraine. We are concerned that an effort is being made to identify Wikipedia editors whose activities are seen as opposing the Russian narrative of the war.
I wanted to let you know that we are aware, we are monitoring, and we are acting in various ways already. While we cannot discuss the details for the safety of all involved, over a year ago, we hired a Human Rights Lead https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Human_Rights_Team with experience in individual safety to help us with such situations. This includes partnerships with allied organizations experienced in human rights interventions as well as connecting with appropriate community groups and functionaries to provide safety support. We care about the safety of Wikimedians, and I know that you do, too. We have heard as much from many of you directly.
I want to take this opportunity to raise your awareness of the need to protect yourselves and each other online. It’s such a cliche that I’m almost hesitant to write it, but in this world, sharing information is sometimes a radical act. Because of this, we ask you all to please be aware of what information you share about yourself on Wikimedia platforms and how your Wikimedia activities can be connected to your personal identity. Some Wikimedians have chosen to operate transparently. Others have chosen to operate under pseudonyms. Whatever path you’ve chosen, there are best practices for your personal protection. Some guidance has been gathered here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Voices_under_Threat
At the same time as I share these recommendations, I want to firmly assert that all who try to get people vital information in times of crisis
- whether Wikimedian or otherwise - should be celebrated. At the core of
our movement is the belief that knowledge belongs to everyone, and the Foundation is firmly against efforts by anyone to stand in the way of the flow of verifiable information in whatever forum it is shared. I believe, as is the way with all Wikimedians, that the path to a better world is to ensure people everywhere have access to knowledge, and that we, as collective societies, should provide them the tools to assess the accuracy of the information they encounter. Censorship is not the solution.
If you have information to share about this situation or about other potential threats of persecution to the safety of Wikimedia volunteers due to their good faith contributions to the projects, please share with talktohumanrights@wikimedia.org. The team is quite busy and may not be able to respond to all communications because of that, but they do read them, and your emails do matter.
I wish the best for all of you who read this and for all seekers of information and sharers of information in Ukraine, Russia, Belarus, and beyond. We will share updates of the situation here as we are able within the framework of prioritizing people’s safety. In the meantime, I’d like to take the opportunity to highlight the efforts of some Wikimedians related to the invasion of Ukraine https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine.
Warm regards,
Maggie
-- Maggie Dennis She/her/hers Vice President, Community Resilience & Sustainability Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.
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On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 at 15:11, Amir Sarabadani ladsgroup@gmail.com wrote:
So you're saying if WMF didn't have a human rights policy, the user would have not been arrested?
The policy is not worth the paper its writen on so if it in any way makes things worse its a problem
Similar to the "fact" that no Wikipedian has been arrested before the inception of the policy?
The Pierre-sur-Haute thing? Not sure the foundation managed much there either.
I fail to see how *not* widely publishing the Human Rights Policy can help better protect the human rights of Wikimedians, particularly when we are now looking at the dire and rapidly declining protection of the freedom of expression globally.
We can debate how the implementation of this policy should look like, but suggesting that it directly contribute making current situation worse is a pretty disingenous take.
On Sun, Mar 13, 2022, 12:43 geni geniice@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 at 15:11, Amir Sarabadani ladsgroup@gmail.com wrote:
So you're saying if WMF didn't have a human rights policy, the user
would have not been arrested?
The policy is not worth the paper its writen on so if it in any way makes things worse its a problem
Similar to the "fact" that no Wikipedian has been arrested before the
inception of the policy?
The Pierre-sur-Haute thing? Not sure the foundation managed much there either.
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On Mon, 14 Mar 2022 at 02:57, Ramzy Muliawan muhammadaramzy@gmail.com wrote:
I fail to see how *not* widely publishing the Human Rights Policy can help better protect the human rights of Wikimedians,
Because it avoids making the project an explicty activist one in that area.
particularly when we are now looking at the dire and rapidly declining protection of the freedom of expression globally.
Irrelivant unless the foundation has the strenght to enforce the policy. Which it does not.
We can debate how the implementation of this policy should look like,
How would that help with anything?
but suggesting that it directly contribute making current situation worse is a pretty disingenous take.
And that would be a strawman.
My thoughts go out to the communities struggling to keep doing their 'work'. It must be incredibly challenging to maintain a neutral encyclopedia in light of government censorship, split populations, threats and violence.
I know WMF is trying hard to do the right thing for editors under threat, and I hope that the worldwide community can do whatever it can, to assist the communities in these countries to function somewhat. I don't know how myself (+1 to Pierre-Yves), but I hope at least that displaced Wikimedians (be it from Belarus, Russia or Ukraine) feel comfortable to contact affiliates and other Wikimedian groups in their new location for practical and moral support.
A very practical consideration: I understand that the Russian community is suppressing history of sensitive articles. I imagine that some features around this kind of 'emergency obscurity' that go well outside our normal scope of operation might be considered more of a priority to develop right now.
Best, Lodewijk
On Sat, Mar 12, 2022 at 3:02 AM Pierre-Yves Beaudouin via Wikimedia-l < wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote:
Thank you Maggie for your message.
Let us know when the movement should communicate about this terrible news. I'm sure that a lot of affiliates would be happy to communicate on that topic, contact our governments and human rights NGOs, but we don't want to make things worse for Pessimist2006 and others editors living in Belarus, Russia and Ukraine.
Best regards,
*Pierre-Yves Beaudouin* *Membre du conseil d'administration* *-------------------------------------------------------------------------* *WIKIMEDIA FRANCE* Association pour le libre partage de la connaissance *www.wikimedia.fr http://www.wikimedia.fr/* *28 rue de Londres, 75009 PARIS* https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1234174880
Le 2022-03-11 22:45, Maggie Dennis a écrit :
Hello, all.
I’m writing to update you all on an emerging human rights concern related to the invasion of Ukraine. We are concerned that an effort is being made to identify Wikipedia editors whose activities are seen as opposing the Russian narrative of the war.
I wanted to let you know that we are aware, we are monitoring, and we are acting in various ways already. While we cannot discuss the details for the safety of all involved, over a year ago, we hired a Human Rights Lead https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Human_Rights_Team with experience in individual safety to help us with such situations. This includes partnerships with allied organizations experienced in human rights interventions as well as connecting with appropriate community groups and functionaries to provide safety support. We care about the safety of Wikimedians, and I know that you do, too. We have heard as much from many of you directly.
I want to take this opportunity to raise your awareness of the need to protect yourselves and each other online. It’s such a cliche that I’m almost hesitant to write it, but in this world, sharing information is sometimes a radical act. Because of this, we ask you all to please be aware of what information you share about yourself on Wikimedia platforms and how your Wikimedia activities can be connected to your personal identity. Some Wikimedians have chosen to operate transparently. Others have chosen to operate under pseudonyms. Whatever path you’ve chosen, there are best practices for your personal protection. Some guidance has been gathered here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Voices_under_Threat
At the same time as I share these recommendations, I want to firmly assert that all who try to get people vital information in times of crisis - whether Wikimedian or otherwise - should be celebrated. At the core of our movement is the belief that knowledge belongs to everyone, and the Foundation is firmly against efforts by anyone to stand in the way of the flow of verifiable information in whatever forum it is shared. I believe, as is the way with all Wikimedians, that the path to a better world is to ensure people everywhere have access to knowledge, and that we, as collective societies, should provide them the tools to assess the accuracy of the information they encounter. Censorship is not the solution.
If you have information to share about this situation or about other potential threats of persecution to the safety of Wikimedia volunteers due to their good faith contributions to the projects, please share with talktohumanrights@wikimedia.org. The team is quite busy and may not be able to respond to all communications because of that, but they do read them, and your emails do matter.
I wish the best for all of you who read this and for all seekers of information and sharers of information in Ukraine, Russia, Belarus, and beyond. We will share updates of the situation here as we are able within the framework of prioritizing people’s safety. In the meantime, I’d like to take the opportunity to highlight the efforts of some Wikimedians related to the invasion of Ukraine https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine.
Warm regards,
Maggie
-- Maggie Dennis She/her/hers Vice President, Community Resilience & Sustainability Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.
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