On 5/17/07, Florence Devouard Anthere9@yahoo.com wrote:
We just hired Vishal Pattel as part-time business developer.
Was this a board resolution, an agreement by consensus of all board members, or an act made by one or more individuals?
Looking at http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolutions very quickly, I don't see anything in the headings regarding the hire of a business developer.
Anthony
On another tack, I wonder if it would make sense to publicly post available job opportunities? It seems to me that might be the best way to get the best qualified candidates....
Of course, there may be facets of this that I'm not aware of, but I generally support open posting. I also wish we knew more about Vishal's resume than that he was a part time intern. Perhaps it makes sense not to post that to the general public, but only to the board - but I wish we had a quickie bio on him, for those of us who are curious.
Philippe
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On 5/17/07, Florence Devouard Anthere9@yahoo.com wrote:
We just hired Vishal Pattel as part-time business developer.
Was this a board resolution, an agreement by consensus of all board members, or an act made by one or more individuals?
Looking at http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolutions very quickly, I don't see anything in the headings regarding the hire of a business developer.
Anthony
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Hoi, In a perfect world, it would not need a board resolution to hire staff. Hiring staff except on a managerial level should be something that is taken care of on the operational level of the organisation. Also, what are you asking for? Is it really necessary to have full public disclosure for the whole Wikimedia community to comment on?? I think that would be a really bad idea if we also want to get something done. You may also know that there are weekly board meetings.. so I am sure that it was discussed on the appropriate level.
You may have missed it but the guy was a known quantity as he had been an intern prior to his appointment in this position. We were not told either what interns we have and how well they do.
Move on, it is not (y)our business.
Thanks, GerardM
On 5/18/07, Anthony wikilegal@inbox.org wrote:
On 5/17/07, Florence Devouard Anthere9@yahoo.com wrote:
We just hired Vishal Pattel as part-time business developer.
Was this a board resolution, an agreement by consensus of all board members, or an act made by one or more individuals?
Looking at http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolutions very quickly, I don't see anything in the headings regarding the hire of a business developer.
Anthony
On 5/18/07, GerardM gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi, In a perfect world, it would not need a board resolution to hire staff.
I'd say in anything less than a grossly mismanaged world, the hiring of staff would not require a board resolution. I'll let you guess at where I'm going with that.
Hiring staff except on a managerial level should be something that is taken care of on the operational level of the organisation. Also, what are you asking for? Is it really necessary to have full public disclosure for the whole Wikimedia community to comment on??
I just want to know who made the decision. There are two parts to the decision, by the way, the decision to hire a part-time business developer (with a particular job description), and the decision to choose Vishal Pattel to fill that position. I'm not really concerned with the second half of that decision, but I am interested in who is to blame for the first.
I certainly never meant to imply that a board resolution was necessary. If the answer is that X created the position and filled it as part of his/her duties as Y, that's the answer I was looking for.
I think that would be a really bad idea if we also want to get something done. You may also know that there are weekly board meetings.. so I am sure that it was discussed on the appropriate level.
If the answer is that it was discussed among the board and they all agreed it was a good idea, that's the answer. Of course, if it has already been discussed at a board meeting, why not have a vote?
You may have missed it but the guy was a known quantity as he had been an intern prior to his appointment in this position. We were not told either what interns we have and how well they do.
Hiring an intern is one thing, hiring a business developer is quite another. And again, I'm not questioning the choice of whom should be in the position so much as the choice to have the position in the first place. Ant's email is filled with question marks, and in my opinion many of these questions should have been answered *before* such a position was created. So, to repeat, I just want to know who to blame.
Move on, it is not (y)our business.
As someone eligible to vote in the upcoming board elections, I think it is my business to know whether or not any of the people up for re-election were involved in this decision.
Anthony
I disagree. We really do not need to know the inner workings and what-not of hirings. Although, I do admit that yours is a valid question, though I do not believe it is for the reason you provided. It is a valid question for the sake of questioning and knowledge's sake, not to be "an informed voter".
Cbrown1023
-----Original Message----- From: foundation-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:foundation-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Anthony Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 3:02 PM To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] business developer hire - whose decision?
On 5/18/07, GerardM gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi, In a perfect world, it would not need a board resolution to hire staff.
I'd say in anything less than a grossly mismanaged world, the hiring of staff would not require a board resolution. I'll let you guess at where I'm going with that.
Hiring staff except on a managerial level should be something that is
taken
care of on the operational level of the organisation. Also, what are you asking for? Is it really necessary to have full public disclosure for the whole Wikimedia community to comment on??
I just want to know who made the decision. There are two parts to the decision, by the way, the decision to hire a part-time business developer (with a particular job description), and the decision to choose Vishal Pattel to fill that position. I'm not really concerned with the second half of that decision, but I am interested in who is to blame for the first.
I certainly never meant to imply that a board resolution was necessary. If the answer is that X created the position and filled it as part of his/her duties as Y, that's the answer I was looking for.
I think that would be a really bad idea if we also want to get something done. You may also know that there
are
weekly board meetings.. so I am sure that it was discussed on the appropriate level.
If the answer is that it was discussed among the board and they all agreed it was a good idea, that's the answer. Of course, if it has already been discussed at a board meeting, why not have a vote?
You may have missed it but the guy was a known quantity as he had been an intern prior to his appointment in this position. We were not told either what interns we have and how well they do.
Hiring an intern is one thing, hiring a business developer is quite another. And again, I'm not questioning the choice of whom should be in the position so much as the choice to have the position in the first place. Ant's email is filled with question marks, and in my opinion many of these questions should have been answered *before* such a position was created. So, to repeat, I just want to know who to blame.
Move on, it is not (y)our business.
As someone eligible to vote in the upcoming board elections, I think it is my business to know whether or not any of the people up for re-election were involved in this decision.
Anthony
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Hi,
On 5/18/07, GerardM gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi, In a perfect world, it would not need a board resolution to hire staff. Hiring staff except on a managerial level should be something that is taken care of on the operational level of the organisation.
Indeed. Hiring staff is not the responsibility of the board, it is the responsibility of the Executive Director we haven't got :)
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