porfavor ya no deceo que me lleguen de su correo esta informacion no entiendo nada gracias
From: foundation-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org> Subject: foundation-l Digest, Vol 46, Issue 103> To: foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 08:41:44 +0000> > Send foundation-l mailing list submissions to> foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit> http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l%3E or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to> foundation-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org> > You can reach the person managing the list at> foundation-l-owner@lists.wikimedia.org> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific> than "Re: Contents of foundation-l digest..."> > > Today's Topics:> > 1. Re: Transparency (Ray Saintonge)> 2. Re: Transparency (Ray Saintonge)> 3. Re: thoughts on leakages (Robert Rohde)> 4. Re: thoughts on leakages (Jerome Banal)> 5. Re: a day in a life of a board member... and thoughts (geni)> 6. Re: Transparency (Aphaia)> 7. Rewriting proposal of Stewards Policy to be voted upon> (effe iets anders)> 8. Re: [Wikimediameta-l] Rewriting proposal of Stewards Policy> to be voted upon (Herby)> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > Message: 1> Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 14:05:00 -0800> From: Ray Saintonge saintonge@telus.net> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Transparency> To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List> foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org> Message-ID: 478A8B0C.1050204@telus.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed> > Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote:> > Actually, we must also realize that many (if not the majority) of the> > editors of even big wp projects like French, Japanese, or Russian, do not> > speak English or do not feel themselves confident enough in English. This> > means that they get all the messages about WMF through their own wp> > project (through the people who speak both languages, are involved somehow> > on a broader scope, and just select the material to be translated). For> > instance, there is no chance they can read this list, possibly they would> > even never know that the (open) list exists. I just do not see how the> > volunteer coordinator idea would work for these people. Unless, of course,> > we find the translators - but then, again, this is not the only point> > where translators are needed, and I just do not see how this could be> > done. In the end of the day, participants of even bigger projects feel> > disconnected from all decisions done at the WMF level, and do not feel> > like they influenced these decisions at all.> Very much so. The United Nations has from the beginning limited its > list of official languages. Is the EU any better off if it translates > long reports on narrowly focused topics from one obscure language into > another? It may not be politically appealing for a Chechen to > communicate in Russian, or for a Quechua to communicate in Spanish, but > unless the speakers of those languages are able to provide translator > services will remain limited. The most we can hope for is service in a > limited number of widely used languages, or languages with a high > on-line population like Japanese. Maltese may be official in the EU but > we can't realistically do anything about that.> > Ec> > > > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 2> Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 14:18:47 -0800> From: Ray Saintonge saintonge@telus.net> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Transparency> To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List> foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org> Message-ID: 478A8E47.9040402@telus.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed> > Robert Rohde wrote:> > On Jan 9, 2008 3:16 PM, Andrew Whitworth wknight8111@gmail.com wrote:> > > >> I would disagree. In general, many members of the sister projects have> >> a strong sense of disconnect and disenfranchisement when it comes to> >> the WMF. This is especially true of the smaller projects and the> >> smaller non-english projects. The lines of communication are virtually> >> non-existant for these small projects. If it appears that the only> >> time the WMF cares about a small project is when something is wrong> >> and "action" needs to be taken.> >> > > While it may be worse for small and non-english projects, I think many> > participants in many of the larger projects also feel disconnected with> > WMF. Project participants are usually there because they enjoy creating> > something, but from the point of view of project participants the WMF is> > almost never directly involved in creating anything. The> > WMF mostly provides a behind-the-scenes service to keep the servers running,> > and many people would be perfectly happy if the WMF never, ever got> > involved in the governance of individual projects. When the WMF does get> > involved, many participants wonder: "Why are you messing with MY work."> It would be unwieldy for WikiCouncil to have representatives from each > and every project, given that in a one-admin project that person may > have his hands full just keeping that project going. WikiCouncil will > need a ratification policy, even for some of the most obvious policies. > If WC (with due note of Jimbo's recent English interview) wants all > projects to adopt the Five Pillars it would need to be subject to > ratification to avoid the impression that it is nothing more than an > en:wp policy being imposed on everyone else.> > Ec> > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 3> Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 14:23:00 -0800> From: "Robert Rohde" rarohde@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] thoughts on leakages> To: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List"> foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org> Message-ID:> b4da1c6e0801131423u12796404ha9b8ce3971c7356d@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1> > On Jan 13, 2008 5:56 AM, Anthony wikimail@inbox.org wrote:> > > On Jan 13, 2008 6:51 AM, Robert Rohde rarohde@gmail.com wrote:> > > On 1/13/08, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:> > > >> > > > <snip>> > > > One of the best protections we have against the Foundation being taken> > > > over by insane space aliens is good database dumps.> > >> > > And how long has it been since we had good database dumps?> > >> > > We haven't had an image dump in ages, and most of the major projects> > > (enwiki, dewiki, frwiki, commons) routinely fail to generate full> > history> > > dumps.> > >> > > I assume it's not intentional, but at the moment it would be very> > difficult> > > to fork the major projects in anything approaching a comprehensive way.> > >> > You don't really need the full database dump to fork. All you need is> > the current database dump and the stub dump with the list of authors.> > You'd lose some textual information this way, but not really that> > much. And with the money and time you'd have to put into creating a> > viable fork it wouldn't be hard to get the rest through scraping> > and/or a live feed purchase anyway.> >> > <snip>> > > > For several months enwiki's stub-meta-history has also failed (albeit> silently, you don't notice unless you try downloading it). There is no dump> at all that contains all of enwiki's contribution history.> > As for scraping, don't kid yourself and think that is easy. I've run large> scale scraping efforts in the past. For enwiki you are talking about >2> million images in 2.1 million articles with 35 million edits. A friendly> scraper (e.g. one that paused a second or so between requests) could easily> be running a few hundred days if it wanted to grab all of the images and> edit history. An unfriendly, mutli-threaded scraper could of course do> better, but it would still likely take a couple weeks.> > -Robert Rohde> > > ------------------------------> > Message: 4> Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 22:50:54 +0000> From: "Jerome Banal" jerome.banal@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] thoughts on leakages> To: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List"> foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org> Message-ID:> f758544d0801131450w7ed4793bme31a2c1d578fdeee@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8> > Scraping:> > Jeff Merkey was downloading all images used by enwiki in a day and a half> using 16 workstations just a few months ago with his wikix tool so this> is definitely possible.> > Not to be done by too much people too often of course but seldom are> those that have enougth bandwith anyway.> > He was actually redistributing this image dump through torrent but it was> taking a week to download it. As it was faster to download them> from WP, he killed the tracker.> > There is some info in this mailing list history (look around March/April)> and on the net.> The Linux executable is> < ftp://www.wikigadugi.org/wiki/MediaWiki/wikix.tar.gz.bz2> here> and it requires only a XML dump to work.> > If you want a torrent dump again, maybe he can provide one> again if you ask him politely.> > Jerome> > > 2008/1/13, Robert Rohde rarohde@gmail.com:> >> > On Jan 13, 2008 5:56 AM, Anthony wikimail@inbox.org wrote:> >> > > On Jan 13, 2008 6:51 AM, Robert Rohde < rarohde@gmail.com> wrote:> > > > On 1/13/08, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:> > > > >> > > > > <snip>> > > > > One of the best protections we have against the Foundation being> > taken> > > > > over by insane space aliens is good database dumps.> > > >> > > > And how long has it been since we had good database dumps?> > > >> > > > We haven't had an image dump in ages, and most of the major projects> > > > (enwiki, dewiki, frwiki, commons) routinely fail to generate full> > > history> > > > dumps.> > > >> > > > I assume it's not intentional, but at the moment it would be very> > > difficult> > > > to fork the major projects in anything approaching a comprehensive> > way.> > > >> > > You don't really need the full database dump to fork. All you need is> > > the current database dump and the stub dump with the list of authors.> > > You'd lose some textual information this way, but not really that> > > much. And with the money and time you'd have to put into creating a> > > viable fork it wouldn't be hard to get the rest through scraping> > > and/or a live feed purchase anyway.> > >> > > <snip>> >> >> >> > For several months enwiki's stub-meta-history has also failed (albeit> > silently, you don't notice unless you try downloading it). There is no> > dump> > at all that contains all of enwiki's contribution history.> >> > As for scraping, don't kid yourself and think that is easy. I've run> > large> > scale scraping efforts in the past. For enwiki you are talking about >2> > million images in 2.1 million articles with 35 million edits. A friendly> > scraper (e.g. one that paused a second or so between requests) could> > easily> > be running a few hundred days if it wanted to grab all of the images and> > edit history. An unfriendly, mutli-threaded scraper could of course do> > better, but it would still likely take a couple weeks.> >> > -Robert Rohde> > _______________________________________________> > foundation-l mailing list> > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org> > Unsubscribe: http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l%3E >> > > ------------------------------> > Message: 5> Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 23:09:45 +0000> From: geni geniice@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] a day in a life of a board member... and> thoughts> To: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List"> foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org> Message-ID:> f80608430801131509i3146f616k5e86a95925df2163@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1> > On 12/01/2008, Florence Devouard Anthere9@yahoo.com wrote:> > I read recently someone complaining that they were not informed of> > on-going legal complaints. Let me tell you about the latest one.> >> > Between Christmas and New Year Eve, I got a phone call from the local> > gendarmerie (gendarmerie is what plays the role of police in rural areas> > in France). They had received a complaint, against me, for a problem on> > Wikipedia, and needed to receive me to inform me of the details of the> > complaint. I indicated I was on holidays, travelling, but would be back> > just before the 1st. They said "no problem, there is no urgency, let's> > pick up a meeting date in january sometimes. It is related to the> > Chateau de Luneville (a castle in the north east of France, near Nancy)".> > > Would french law consider wikipedia to be an organized group with> respect to potential fines and the like?> -- > geni> > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 6> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 08:34:42 +0900> From: Aphaia aphaia@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Transparency> To: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List"> foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org> Message-ID:> 35be2a710801131534g58d0f886ib3d5bce17be1363d@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1> > On Jan 14, 2008 7:05 AM, Ray Saintonge saintonge@telus.net wrote:> > Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote:> > > Actually, we must also realize that many (if not the majority) of the> > > editors of even big wp projects like French, Japanese, or Russian, do not> > > speak English or do not feel themselves confident enough in English. This> > > means that they get all the messages about WMF through their own wp> > > project (through the people who speak both languages, are involved somehow> > > on a broader scope, and just select the material to be translated). For> > > instance, there is no chance they can read this list, possibly they would> > > even never know that the (open) list exists. I just do not see how the> > > volunteer coordinator idea would work for these people. Unless, of course,> > > we find the translators - but then, again, this is not the only point> > > where translators are needed, and I just do not see how this could be> > > done. In the end of the day, participants of even bigger projects feel> > > disconnected from all decisions done at the WMF level, and do not feel> > > like they influenced these decisions at all.> > Very much so. The United Nations has from the beginning limited its> > list of official languages. Is the EU any better off if it translates> > long reports on narrowly focused topics from one obscure language into> > another? It may not be politically appealing for a Chechen to> > communicate in Russian, or for a Quechua to communicate in Spanish, but> > unless the speakers of those languages are able to provide translator> > services will remain limited. The most we can hope for is service in a> > limited number of widely used languages, or languages with a high> > on-line population like Japanese. Maltese may be official in the EU but> > we can't realistically do anything about that.> > Exactly. And that is why Transcom set the priorities between targeting> languages. Now we are going to make its annual and first update. I am> happy to invite you to review the current scheme.> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Communications_subcommittees/Trans/core_langs... > You are welcome to give an opinion or feedback of our activity on that talk.> > I set it mainly to determine which language translation should be> taken care to accomplish it with our limited resources (mainly> manpower and time). It works like as triage of medical staff in a> critical moment. We welcome all languages, but you may agree we need> to take first "major" languages on the project (like French) rather> than small languages (imagine if there are two unfinished translation> of Finnish and Spanish, not related to any specific regional concerns> and you can afford only five minutes, which language translator would> you like to seek for?).> > A slightly off-topic, as for Japanese I would love to add it has a> larger native speaking population than German or French according to> Ethnologue. (See also> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_number_of_native_speakers#... > > > > -- > KIZU Naoko> http://d.hatena.ne.jp/Britty (in Japanese)> Quote of the Day (English): http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/WQ:QOTD%3E > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 7> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 09:27:08 +0100> From: "effe iets anders" effeietsanders@gmail.com> Subject: [Foundation-l] Rewriting proposal of Stewards Policy to be> voted upon> To: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List"> foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org, "List for Meta Wikimedia affairs"> wikimediameta-l@lists.wikimedia.org> Message-ID:> 73f3ff1b0801140027o23f451f7u33494f9021eb25c9@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1> > Dear all,> > As announced earlier, a vote will start on January 15, 00.00h UTC (in> roughly 15,5h) about the updating proposal of the Stewards Policy. For> the vote, please see [1] and for the proposal [2].> > Voting will be possible for two weeks (ending January 28, 23.59h UTC),> and a 66,7% majority is required. Anyone can vote provided that they> have a valid account on meta with a link to at least one user page on> a project where they participated in the project for at least three> months (not just edits to their own user page) - Counting January 15,> 2008 as date for calculations.> > Please pass this message on to your local community, so that everybody> who is interested in this policy can state his/her opinion on the> changes [3].> > Best regards,> > Lodewijk Gelauff / Effeietsanders> > [1]: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Rewriting/Stewards_policy/Vote%3E [2]: http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Meta:Rewriting/Stewards_policy&a... [3]: http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Meta%3ARewriting%2FStewards_poli... > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 8> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 08:41:40 +0000> From: "Herby" herbythyme@fmail.co.uk> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikimediameta-l] Rewriting proposal of> Stewards Policy to be voted upon> To: "effe iets anders" effeietsanders@gmail.com, "Meta Wikimedia> affairs" wikimediameta-l@lists.wikimedia.org, "Wikimedia Foundation> Mailing List" foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org, "List for Meta> Wikimedia affairs" wikimediameta-l@lists.wikimedia.org> Cc: Larry Pieniazek lar@miltontrainworks.com> Message-ID: 1200300100.28849.1231075721@webmail.messagingengine.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"> > For clarification.> > This change in policy would appear to have removed annual confirmation> of stewards?> > Thanks> Herby> > On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 09:27:08 +0100, "effe iets anders"> effeietsanders@gmail.com said:> > Dear all,> > > > As announced earlier, a vote will start on January 15, 00.00h UTC (in> > roughly 15,5h) about the updating proposal of the Stewards Policy. For> > the vote, please see [1] and for the proposal [2].> > > > Voting will be possible for two weeks (ending January 28, 23.59h UTC),> > and a 66,7% majority is required. Anyone can vote provided that they> > have a valid account on meta with a link to at least one user page on> > a project where they participated in the project for at least three> > months (not just edits to their own user page) - Counting January 15,> > 2008 as date for calculations.> > > > Please pass this message on to your local community, so that everybody> > who is interested in this policy can state his/her opinion on the> > changes [3].> > > > Best regards,> > > > Lodewijk Gelauff / Effeietsanders> > > > [1]: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Rewriting/Stewards_policy/Vote%3E > [2]:> > http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Meta:Rewriting/Stewards_policy&a... > [3]:> > http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Meta%3ARewriting%2FStewards_poli... > > > _______________________________________________> > Wikimediameta-l mailing list> > Wikimediameta-l@lists.wikimedia.org> > http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediameta-l%3E -- > Herby> herbythyme@fmail.co.uk> > -- > http://www.fastmail.fm - Access your email from home and the web> > > > > ------------------------------> > _______________________________________________> foundation-l mailing list> foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org> http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l%3E > > End of foundation-l Digest, Vol 46, Issue 103> *********************************************
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Translated: Please no longer deceo I arrive in their mail this information because I do not understand anything
On Jan 14, 2008 12:34 PM, flavio montes leon flavio_2215lat@hotmail.com wrote:
porfavor ya no deceo que me lleguen de su correo esta informacion no entiendo nada gracias
On Jan 14, 2008 6:39 PM, Nathan nawrich@gmail.com wrote:
Translated:
Please no longer deceo I arrive in their mail this information because I do not understand anything
As always glad to oblige....the user is desubscribed.
Michael
Michael Bimmler wrote:
On Jan 14, 2008 6:39 PM, Nathan nawrich@gmail.com wrote:
Translated:
Please no longer deceo I arrive in their mail this
information because
I do not understand anything
As always glad to oblige....the user is desubscribed.
Evidently he wants to be involved... Perhaps one of our Spanish language Wikimedians will send him an email telling him how to join one of the spanish language lists such as infoES-l.
Con amor, Cary
On Jan 15, 2008 12:04 PM, Cary Bass cbass@wikimedia.org wrote:
Michael Bimmler wrote:
On Jan 14, 2008 6:39 PM, Nathan nawrich@gmail.com wrote:
Translated:
Please no longer deceo I arrive in their mail this
information because
I do not understand anything
Please I no longer wish their mail to arrive since I don't understand anything
Por favor, ya no deseo recibir en el correo su información porque no entiendo nada
Doesn't help mixing bad spanish spelling with the poor english grammar
Yeah it was just machine translated, by Google.
On Jan 15, 2008 2:16 PM, Pedro Sanchez pdsanchez@gmail.com wrote:
On Jan 15, 2008 12:04 PM, Cary Bass cbass@wikimedia.org wrote:
Michael Bimmler wrote:
On Jan 14, 2008 6:39 PM, Nathan nawrich@gmail.com wrote:
Translated:
Please no longer deceo I arrive in their mail this
information because
I do not understand anything
Please I no longer wish their mail to arrive since I don't understand anything
Por favor, ya no deseo recibir en el correo su información porque no entiendo nada
Doesn't help mixing bad spanish spelling with the poor english grammar
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