Wikipedia disclaimers : humorous, quasi-legal. rarely viewed. touched by lawyers but also by many, many other editors. probably ineffective even when viewed - I used Wikipedia as a backup lab manual in auto-appendectomy class last week and totally forgot about the medical disclaimer I had read a month previous. Luckily noone was hurt.
1. How much should we care about encouraging people to understand the pro/con aspects of Wikipedia's mutability?
2. Most disclaimers are CYA affairs, not intended to inform, merely intended to make lawsuits harder. Is this what we care about? Are we worried about legal liability from a weak disclaimer? Are we worried more about making sure all readers understand the value and risks of information they receive?
3. positively : We can use the time people spend visiting/viewing a disclaimer to educate them a bit about disclaimers in all sorts of knowledge everywhere. A disclaimer that provides background and context for disclaimers in general and those used in reference works in specific. Would that be ok? It would certainly be interesting and empowering, rather than frightening and offensive, as some find the current texts.
4. alternatively : groups that really worry about being sued tend to have longer, even more frightening disclaimers than ours; is it worth finding an eloquently conservative set of disclaimers that enumerates hundreds of specific ways in which Wikipedia should not be used?
SJ
On 10/14/08, Samuel Klein meta.sj@gmail.com wrote:
backup lab manual in auto-appendectomy class
Do what? Surely anyone teaching others how to remove their own internal organs (with a knife in one hand and a mirror in the other?) would need far more sophisticated disclaimers than anything the WMF has to offer.
Yes I trust doctors less than the next person but I can still only hope you're joking about this.
—C.W.
- alternatively : groups that really worry about being sued tend to
have longer, even more frightening disclaimers than ours; is it worth finding an eloquently conservative set of disclaimers that enumerates hundreds of specific ways in which Wikipedia should not be used?
Stating this on every disclaimer would probably not be a good idea, but creating some page on meta (actually, it might have been already created) and making a tiny link there from every disclaimer - why not?
Cheers Yaroslav
On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 06:23:08PM -0400, Samuel Klein wrote:
- How much should we care about encouraging people to understand the
pro/con aspects of Wikipedia's mutability?
As much as possible! :-) And then get them to edit!
- positively : We can use the time people spend visiting/viewing a
disclaimer to educate them a bit about disclaimers in all sorts of knowledge everywhere. A disclaimer that provides background and context for disclaimers in general and those used in reference works in specific. Would that be ok? It would certainly be interesting and empowering, rather than frightening and offensive, as some find the current texts.
What do you propose?
- alternatively : groups that really worry about being sued tend to
have longer, even more frightening disclaimers than ours; is it worth finding an eloquently conservative set of disclaimers that enumerates hundreds of specific ways in which Wikipedia should not be used?
This could be an endless source of humor too. <innocent look>
read you soon, Kim Bruning
On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 9:27 AM, Kim Bruning kim@bruning.xs4all.nl wrote:
- alternatively : groups that really worry about being sued tend to
have longer, even more frightening disclaimers than ours; is it worth finding an eloquently conservative set of disclaimers that enumerates hundreds of specific ways in which Wikipedia should not be used?
This could be an endless source of humor too. <innocent look>
read you soon, Kim Bruning
Wikipedia should not be used in the bathtub. Wikipedia should not be ingested.
I could go on forever...
-Chad
Wikipedia should not be ingested.
Too right: http://migdalbavel.blogspot.com/2008/09/just-like-chinese-milk-wikipedia-is-...
On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 12:01 PM, Yaroslav M. Blanter putevod@mccme.ruwrote:
Wikipedia should not be used in the bathtub.
Why not?
Best regards Yaroslav
All that mess about water being a conductor and all :-)
-Chad
On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 10:19 AM, Chad innocentkiller@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 9:27 AM, Kim Bruning kim@bruning.xs4all.nl wrote:
- alternatively : groups that really worry about being sued tend to
have longer, even more frightening disclaimers than ours; is it worth finding an eloquently conservative set of disclaimers that enumerates hundreds of specific ways in which Wikipedia should not be used?
This could be an endless source of humor too. <innocent look>
read you soon, Kim Bruning
Wikipedia should not be used in the bathtub. Wikipedia should not be ingested.
I could go on forever...
-Chad
The iPod EULA has some good suggestions: http://images.apple.com/legal/sla/docs/ipod.pdf
Wikipedia should not be used in the operation of nuclear facilities. Wikipedia is not an air traffic control system.
On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 12:24 PM, Alex Mr.Z-man mrzmanwiki@gmail.comwrote:
The iPod EULA has some good suggestions: http://images.apple.com/legal/sla/docs/ipod.pdf
Wikipedia should not be used in the operation of nuclear facilities. Wikipedia is not an air traffic control system.
Do not drive or operate heavy machinery after using Wikipedia.
-Chad
Do not taunt happy fun ball.
-Dan On Oct 15, 2008, at 12:48 PM, Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote:
Do not drive or operate heavy machinery after using Wikipedia.
...while using Wikipedia
Cheers Yaroslav
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On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 12:57 PM, Dan Rosenthal swatjester@gmail.comwrote:
Do not taunt happy fun ball.
-Dan On Oct 15, 2008, at 12:48 PM, Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote:
I've always wanted one of those...
/me goes to find a video
-Chad
On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 6:48 PM, Yaroslav M. Blanter putevod@mccme.ru wrote:
Do not drive or operate heavy machinery after using Wikipedia.
...while using Wikipedia
...and before consulting Wikipedia and the how-to pages linked from it.
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