Dear all,
In the next few weeks, we will be holding the 4th elections to the board of Trustees of Wikimedia Foundation, to replace 3 board members. Since the creation of the Foundation in 2003, and its first elections in june 2004, a lot of things have changed with regards to board membership.
Jimbo created the Foundation in 2003 with the help of two business partners. He could have set up an organization in which no community members would have been involved and where he would have kept for himself this role of benevolent dictator for the rest of his life. But this is not what he did. He voluntarily decided to involve the community in reserving two seats for members to be elected from within the community. I remember criticisms at that time, some editors saying that the board was stacked, that the two business partners would only do what Jimbo would tell them to do, and that we should have a majority of people from the community.
Looking back in the past, I find these comments a bit amusing, and I am glad Jimbo made the decision he made. He acted prudently and I think he was right to do so. His two business partners, Tim and Michael, were deeply commited to our values and I have no memory of them suggesting anything that would have lead us on a dangerous path. Contrariwise to what the critics said, they were (are) pretty independantly minded and did not hesitate opposing Jimbo when they felt it was needed. Tim left us when he felt we were on the right path and it was time for someone else to replace him. Michael is pretty much thinking the same, and will be willing to be replaced as soon as he is sure we have someone with good accounting skills/financial background to replace him as treasurer.
Last year, we updated the bylaws, to have them better reflect what we really are, what we want to be. Jimbo, member for life till the creation of the Foundation, is now a regular (well, special person, but regular member), with limited term. Jimbo actually wanted to candidate for a elected seat this month, but we suggested it was a bad idea since the turnover is already pretty high. The big lesson though, is that we are now all equals. Last fall, Tim, Michael, Jimbo, Erik and I, decided to change several parameters on the board membership, clarifying the length of terms, the appointed versus elected, the expansion of the board, giving more room for community representative, but also clarifying how we would appoint people.
All these changes led to, I hope, a more functional board, and probably a happier board.
With more seats to elect, we also have more room for diversity of skills and for diversity of countries and languages.
Whilst we first elect people, please keep in mind skills as well. The ideal Board has a mix of different skills: it is composed of big picture thinkers and leaders, non-profit veterans with accounting or legal experience, fundraising experts, and public figures. It is culturally diverse, mirroring the diversity found in WMF's project communities. It takes the corporate governance of WMF seriously while inspiring staff to strive for ambitious, but realistic long term goals.
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Thank you for our official election committee members * Kizu Naoko (Aphaia) * Benjamin Mako Hill * Newyorkbrad * Philippe Beaudette * Jon Harald Søby * Tim Starling
for the hard work they will provide.
As a reminder, to ensure independancy, we try to avoid as much as possible, communication on election issues between the board and the commitee. Their contact on the board is Jan-Bart (non elected member). Our only involvement as I can remember it was to give our opinion on the voting system (opinion) and on the length of the statement allowed to candidates. The committee will not tell us any results before the end of the elections. The board as a whole will not give recommandations (but individual members are free of course to support or oppose specific candidates).
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During the last board meeting, the board discussed the future elections.
Here is what was agreed: AGREED: Public statement to be made about what the expectations are of Board members AGREED: Election 07 still going to use approval voting AGREED: Resolution on election committee powers & responsibilitites to be drafted by Jan-Bart de Vreede AGREED: Workgroup to research election methods to be set up before the end of 2007
You may find the public statement about the role of board members here: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Elections_to_the_board_%28June_2007%29
A later discussion regarding the resolution about the election committee showed undecision, so no resolution was drafted. But in case anyone tries to somehow imply that the election committee is not approved, that would be incorrect. Official committee is made of the 6 people listed above, and these guys have the power to make the elections happen :-)
Last, please note the suggestion of a workgroup creation to research election methods for next time. If you are interested in joining such a group, or even better to steer this group, please speak up !
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A short reminder for I am sure not everyone remember this
* Michael, Jimbo are on board since 2003 * I am on the board since june 2004, as elected, till june 2007 * Erik, Kat and Oscar (elected) are on board since fall 2006, till june 2007 * Jan-Bart (appointed) is on board since december 2006 * The board is made of 7 people (with the expectation to go to 9 later) * Jimbo, Michael and Jan-Bart terms end up in december 2007 * my term end up in june 2007 (as appointed) * within the board, positions or chair, treasurer and secretary are for a term of one year. Next renewal in october 2007
The current elections are for a term of 2 years, for three people. The next elections will be for a term of 2 years, for three people in june 2007
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Let me finish in wishing good luck to anyone. There are currently 10 candidates (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Board_elections/2007/Candidates/en) and I hope we'll see even more. Boldly, there are not enough women, and too many americans/europeans.
Please use the next two weeks as an opportunity to discuss what you think would be best for the future of the Foundation on all the talk pages.
I would love it if you selected a candidate not only on his/her good looks or good standing within the community, but also because you think s/he has the right mix of skills (most necessary right now, legal, accounting, fundraising, knowledge of non profit world). Also if you could choose people who conveys opinions which are fitting with yours. A right mix of energetic people (to make things move forward) and of more lymphatic people (to avoid they move forward too quickly and unwisely). And please choose someone who will be a pleasant fellow for other board members and staff to work with.
I would like to also ask those who are interested in the job, but do not dare candidating because they believe they will never be able to win against Erik or Kat, to candidate nevertheless. Elections are a useful moment in that we have the opportunity to discuss together the future of the Foundation, for the strength of the democracy, we need candidates and provocative thinking (thanks Kate :-))
The board can also identify people to possibly appoint, who we did not imagine would be interested in the job, and we can at least have an idea of the amount of support appointing them would have within the community.
I guess that's it :-)
ant
Florence Devouard schreef:
- my term end up in june 2007 (as appointed)
You are not a candidate for the current elections. Does this mean that you will stop being boardmember/chair after this election?
The next elections will be for a term of 2 years, for three people in june 2007
Is that not june 2008?
On 6/17/07, Walter Vermeir walter@wikipedia.be wrote:
Florence Devouard schreef:
- my term end up in june 2007 (as appointed)
You are not a candidate for the current elections. Does this mean that you will stop being boardmember/chair after this election?
I can't comment on this, but, just as a reminder: Submission of candidatures is still open (until 23th, afaik)
Michael
The next elections will be for a term of 2 years, for three people in june 2007
Is that not june 2008?
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Michael Bimmler schreef:
I can't comment on this, but, just as a reminder: Submission of candidatures is still open (until 23th, afaik)
Michael
In theory yes. In reality not really.
Users can become a candidate for the board election until 2007-06-23 23:59 UTC.
But the also need to get the "confirmed status", what seems to be not so easy to get when you see that 50% of the current candidates are not yet confirmed.
And the also need to get 12 users to endorse them what only can be started after the are confirmed. The current end data for the endorsements is also 2007-06-23 23:59 UTC.
How longer it takes to get listed on the endorsement page how lower the exposure to potential supporters. If we exclude the hardcore users then it very doubtful that users will visited more then one time that page on meta to endorse candidates.
Hello,
On 6/17/07, Walter Vermeir walter@wikipedia.be wrote:
Michael Bimmler schreef:
I can't comment on this, but, just as a reminder: Submission of candidatures is still open (until 23th, afaik)
Michael
In theory yes. In reality not really.
Users can become a candidate for the board election until 2007-06-23 23:59 UTC.
But the also need to get the "confirmed status", what seems to be not so easy to get when you see that 50% of the current candidates are not yet confirmed.
True, but it isn't a big deal either. For neutrality I would like not to disclose what are going on behind without consent of each candidate, but personally I expect at least both Yann and Kate have understanding why they are not yet "confirmed". I think as an individual this kind of bureaucracy is a necessary evil which brings benefits also, specially to avoid favoritism to particular candidates and partial treatment of candidates each.
Also on an individual basis I would like to remind you all from the same reason Election Committee do not invite any other personnel to list "candidate" names to the endorsement pages. All such hasty nomination should be discouraged, and soon removed with submitted endorsements. Some editors would be happy to check if such happened on their own endorsements.
Love,
Walter Vermeir wrote:
Michael Bimmler schreef:
I can't comment on this, but, just as a reminder: Submission of candidatures is still open (until 23th, afaik)
Michael
In theory yes. In reality not really.
Users can become a candidate for the board election until 2007-06-23 23:59 UTC.
But the also need to get the "confirmed status", what seems to be not so easy to get when you see that 50% of the current candidates are not yet confirmed.
And the also need to get 12 users to endorse them what only can be started after the are confirmed. The current end data for the endorsements is also 2007-06-23 23:59 UTC.
How longer it takes to get listed on the endorsement page how lower the exposure to potential supporters. If we exclude the hardcore users then it very doubtful that users will visited more then one time that page on meta to endorse candidates.
Having nominations end at the same time that one needs to have the 12 endorsements required for confirmation seems like a mistake. Having new nominations end when they do, but allowing an additional week to complete the formalities would be a lot more practical.
Ec
Florence Devouard wrote:
A short reminder for I am sure not everyone remember this
- I am on the board since june 2004, as elected, till june 2007
- my term end up in june 2007 (as appointed)
I think you misremember this yourself, your term ends in June 2008.. :-)
You got me worried there for a bit.
Mark Bergsma wrote:
Florence Devouard wrote:
A short reminder for I am sure not everyone remember this
- I am on the board since june 2004, as elected, till june 2007
- my term end up in june 2007 (as appointed)
I think you misremember this yourself, your term ends in June 2008.. :-)
You got me worried there for a bit.
arggggg
where is the edit button ?
I think some more 2007's should become 2008 :) Maybe repost? ;-)
Lodewijk
2007/6/17, Florence Devouard Anthere9@yahoo.com:
Mark Bergsma wrote:
Florence Devouard wrote:
A short reminder for I am sure not everyone remember this
- I am on the board since june 2004, as elected, till june 2007
- my term end up in june 2007 (as appointed)
I think you misremember this yourself, your term ends in June 2008.. :-)
You got me worried there for a bit.
arggggg
where is the edit button ?
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Well, Kat, Oscar and Erik ends their terms in this month and will be replaced by the elected. Florence ends her term in 2008/06 and supposedly two appointed people in this December too. So three position will be open again in the next year. So I assume, but it is only my personal assumption.
On 6/17/07, effe iets anders effeietsanders@gmail.com wrote:
I think some more 2007's should become 2008 :) Maybe repost? ;-)
Lodewijk
2007/6/17, Florence Devouard Anthere9@yahoo.com:
Mark Bergsma wrote:
Florence Devouard wrote:
A short reminder for I am sure not everyone remember this
- I am on the board since june 2004, as elected, till june 2007
- my term end up in june 2007 (as appointed)
I think you misremember this yourself, your term ends in June 2008.. :-)
You got me worried there for a bit.
arggggg
where is the edit button ?
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But I assume that Jan-Bart, Jimbo and maybe Michael too might be reappointed? At least I would hope they will :) End of term doesn't mean that they really have to quit :)
So that would mean that Florence's position would be open next year, and two new positions would be created? (so the total goes up to nine)
Lodewijk
2007/6/17, Aphaia aphaia@gmail.com:
Well, Kat, Oscar and Erik ends their terms in this month and will be replaced by the elected. Florence ends her term in 2008/06 and supposedly two appointed people in this December too. So three position will be open again in the next year. So I assume, but it is only my personal assumption.
On 6/17/07, effe iets anders effeietsanders@gmail.com wrote:
I think some more 2007's should become 2008 :) Maybe repost? ;-)
Lodewijk
2007/6/17, Florence Devouard Anthere9@yahoo.com:
Mark Bergsma wrote:
Florence Devouard wrote:
A short reminder for I am sure not everyone remember this
- I am on the board since june 2004, as elected, till june 2007
- my term end up in june 2007 (as appointed)
I think you misremember this yourself, your term ends in June 2008.. :-)
You got me worried there for a bit.
arggggg
where is the edit button ?
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On 17/06/07, effe iets anders effeietsanders@gmail.com wrote:
But I assume that Jan-Bart, Jimbo and maybe Michael too might be reappointed? At least I would hope they will :) End of term doesn't mean that they really have to quit :)
Jimbo has honorary appointment, he does not have to reappointed.
So that would mean that Florence's position would be open next year, and two new positions would be created? (so the total goes up to nine)
Lodewijk
2007/6/17, Aphaia aphaia@gmail.com:
Well, Kat, Oscar and Erik ends their terms in this month and will be replaced by the elected. Florence ends her term in 2008/06 and supposedly two appointed people in this December too. So three position will be open again in the next year. So I assume, but it is only my personal assumption.
On 6/17/07, effe iets anders effeietsanders@gmail.com wrote:
I think some more 2007's should become 2008 :) Maybe repost? ;-)
Lodewijk
2007/6/17, Florence Devouard Anthere9@yahoo.com:
Mark Bergsma wrote:
Florence Devouard wrote:
A short reminder for I am sure not everyone remember this
- I am on the board since june 2004, as elected, till june 2007
- my term end up in june 2007 (as appointed)
I think you misremember this yourself, your term ends in June 2008.. :-)
You got me worried there for a bit.
arggggg
where is the edit button ?
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On 6/17/07, Robert Leverington lcarsdata@googlemail.com wrote:
On 17/06/07, effe iets anders effeietsanders@gmail.com wrote:
But I assume that Jan-Bart, Jimbo and maybe Michael too might be reappointed? At least I would hope they will :) End of term doesn't mean that they really have to quit :)
Jimbo has honorary appointment, he does not have to reappointed.
He is not. Quote: "Jimbo, member for life till the creation of the Foundation, is now a regular (well, special person, but regular member), with limited term."
So he has a limited term? Until when?
On 17/06/07, Bryan Tong Minh bryan.tongminh@gmail.com wrote:
On 6/17/07, Robert Leverington lcarsdata@googlemail.com wrote:
On 17/06/07, effe iets anders effeietsanders@gmail.com wrote:
But I assume that Jan-Bart, Jimbo and maybe Michael too might be reappointed? At least I would hope they will :) End of term doesn't mean that they really have to quit :)
Jimbo has honorary appointment, he does not have to reappointed.
He is not. Quote: "Jimbo, member for life till the creation of the Foundation, is now a regular (well, special person, but regular member), with limited term."
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according to anthere's post: "Jimbo, Michael and Jan-Bart terms end up in december 2007"
(the other:) Michael
On 6/17/07, Gary Kirk gary.kirk@gmail.com wrote:
So he has a limited term? Until when?
On 17/06/07, Bryan Tong Minh bryan.tongminh@gmail.com wrote:
On 6/17/07, Robert Leverington lcarsdata@googlemail.com wrote:
On 17/06/07, effe iets anders effeietsanders@gmail.com wrote:
But I assume that Jan-Bart, Jimbo and maybe Michael too might be reappointed? At least I would hope they will :) End of term doesn't mean that they really have to quit :)
Jimbo has honorary appointment, he does not have to reappointed.
He is not. Quote: "Jimbo, member for life till the creation of the Foundation, is now a regular (well, special person, but regular member), with limited term."
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Yeah. It is accord to the official website says at: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Board_of_Trustees
# Jimmy Wales, Chairman Emeritus (term until December 2007)
On 6/17/07, Michael Bimmler mbimmler@gmail.com wrote:
according to anthere's post: "Jimbo, Michael and Jan-Bart terms end up in december 2007"
(the other:) Michael
On 6/17/07, Gary Kirk gary.kirk@gmail.com wrote:
So he has a limited term? Until when?
On 17/06/07, Bryan Tong Minh bryan.tongminh@gmail.com wrote:
On 6/17/07, Robert Leverington lcarsdata@googlemail.com wrote:
On 17/06/07, effe iets anders effeietsanders@gmail.com wrote:
But I assume that Jan-Bart, Jimbo and maybe Michael too might be reappointed? At least I would hope they will :) End of term doesn't mean that they really have to quit :)
Jimbo has honorary appointment, he does not have to reappointed.
He is not. Quote: "Jimbo, member for life till the creation of the Foundation, is now a regular (well, special person, but regular member), with limited term."
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effe iets anders wrote:
But I assume that Jan-Bart, Jimbo and maybe Michael too might be reappointed? At least I would hope they will :) End of term doesn't mean that they really have to quit :)
So that would mean that Florence's position would be open next year, and two new positions would be created? (so the total goes up to nine)
Lodewijk
There are no limits to the number of terms. So, all three could be reappointed.
Below, just thoughts and personal opinion.
Jimbo had indicated he would be willing to go for an elected seat next year. If so, he would liberate an appointed seat in june. Michael seems to be willing to let someone take his seat, provided that we find a good replacement for the treasurer position. Given our status, we would need someone with accounting experience, in the USA. Best would be someone with non-profit experience; Perhaps a senior partner in an accounting company ? Jan-Bart seems undecided right now. I guess the workload was in the end heavier than he expected, but hopefully, with our quest for ED and Legal Coordinator coming to its conclusion, we can hope individual board members workload will improve. I actually share the same type of concern than Jan-Bart.
Not decided is whether we should quickly go for a 9, and increase at 11 at next elections. If so, we would appoint 2 more people during the year (to stay on an odd number), and have my seat replaced in next june, plus 2 new elected. Second solution is to have a full more year at 7. Get to 9 next june, and only then decide whether to get to 11 (with two appointed). I hope I am clear here :-)
There are some positive and negative sides in the two options. In the first option, one negative side is that we will be 3 elected and 6 appointed. If we do this, we should aim at picking up at least 1 if not 2 directly from the community (at bit like we did for Oscar and Kat). A big question is also about the efficiency of us working as a group. If we go for 9 during the year, it will make mandatory to jump at 11 in next june. Whilst we work just fine at 7 and would probably be okay at 9, 11 is a bit of a mystery. If we try to go to 11, it would be essentially to increase the skillset, but ALSO to increase the cultural diversity (get some asians on board for example). Now, let's say we end up with 4 board meetings and 1 board retreat per year. We need to get 11 people at the same time, somewhere on Earth. It is already tough at 7... Also, we worked quite a bit on irc in the past year. This was feasible because we were all on the east coast of USA, and Europe. So, around 21-22 pm european time was okay for all of us more or less. As soon as the board gets a japanese or an indian on top of others, we'll have much more pain to set up irc meetings.
Over time, i think it is fine. In 1 year time, with a good and complete staff, with more experience behind us, I guess we'll work more on "topics" with working groups. It is not yet the case, we are not very specialized.
So, in short, the only "certainty" is a new election next summer. But appointments are still pretty much undecided. I think it is fine. There is nothing urgent on this matter and we can wait next board to be completed to revisit the issue.
The next meeting time for board will be in Taipei (august 2007). We'll have a retreat with all advisory board members present, to work on a 3 year plan, and share best practices.
The next meeting will certainly be in Florida, to have the opportunity to meet most of the staff at the same time. Perhaps end of september - end of october. This will be the time when we have to elect positions on the board (chair, secretary, treasurer). I guess we can revisit the issue of board skills and expansion at that time, as well as start planning reappointements for december.
Florence Devouard schreef:
Jimbo had indicated he would be willing to go for an elected seat next year. If so, he would liberate an appointed seat in june.
Would it not be a better solution to just appoint Jimmy to the board for live?
As founder I find it would not be more then normal that he gets a special arrangement. Besides of that if he runs in the open election the only result will be that gets elected by an absolute majority so there is no point in doing that.
Walter Vermeir wrote:
Florence Devouard schreef:
Jimbo had indicated he would be willing to go for an elected seat next year. If so, he would liberate an appointed seat in june.
Would it not be a better solution to just appoint Jimmy to the board for live?
As founder I find it would not be more then normal that he gets a special arrangement. Besides of that if he runs in the open election the only result will be that gets elected by an absolute majority so there is no point in doing that.
I will respectfully disagree on this point.
Being on a "governing" board is not just about getting a nice title and recognition. It implies working, getting involved, assisting to meetings, helping on task forces.
When a board member does nothing, it is detrimental to the organization. First because it uses a seat for no job being done, and second because since we operate with a voting system, with quorum, any board member becoming inactive is impairing the functionning of the whole organization. It paralyses it.
For this reason, I am opposed to adding or keeping on the board anyone who becomes inactive. This is not the case of Jimbo right now, he still is pretty active on some topics, mostly helping with fundraising, and licenses issues. So I am fully happy that he is on the board. But if one day he becomes too busy with all his other duties, then he will have to let room to others. I know that he agrees with that.
Beyond the question of activity/inactivity, I oppose Jimbo being appointed to the board for life, because in doing so, the message we give is that board members are not equal in decision, and that the way we operate is not democratic. Actually, it is pretty funny to read that we should still make some efforts to supposingly be more democratic (100% elected for example), and at the same time accept a sort of "dictator for life". Both are not really compatible :-) And it casts on board members a sort of shadow, making it more difficult to fight group thinking directed by one.
Jimbo will always be Jimbo, the Foundator of Wikipedia. The day he quits the governing board, I presume he will join the advisory board anyway. Where he could well be member for life. Because I think he will advise the governing board for the rest of his life :-)
Ant
Having copying the reference for Jimbo and his term, I sort of felt weird.
I agree it is a contradiction someone is the "benevolunt dictator for life" and a member with term at the same time. However it could be possible someone holds the title of "chair emeritus" for life and serves the Board as a regular member with a term, at least in certain circumstance.
On 6/18/07, Florence Devouard Anthere9@yahoo.com wrote:
Walter Vermeir wrote:
Florence Devouard schreef:
Jimbo had indicated he would be willing to go for an elected seat next year. If so, he would liberate an appointed seat in june.
Would it not be a better solution to just appoint Jimmy to the board for live?
As founder I find it would not be more then normal that he gets a special arrangement. Besides of that if he runs in the open election the only result will be that gets elected by an absolute majority so there is no point in doing that.
I will respectfully disagree on this point.
Being on a "governing" board is not just about getting a nice title and recognition. It implies working, getting involved, assisting to meetings, helping on task forces.
When a board member does nothing, it is detrimental to the organization. First because it uses a seat for no job being done, and second because since we operate with a voting system, with quorum, any board member becoming inactive is impairing the functionning of the whole organization. It paralyses it.
For this reason, I am opposed to adding or keeping on the board anyone who becomes inactive. This is not the case of Jimbo right now, he still is pretty active on some topics, mostly helping with fundraising, and licenses issues. So I am fully happy that he is on the board. But if one day he becomes too busy with all his other duties, then he will have to let room to others. I know that he agrees with that.
Beyond the question of activity/inactivity, I oppose Jimbo being appointed to the board for life, because in doing so, the message we give is that board members are not equal in decision, and that the way we operate is not democratic. Actually, it is pretty funny to read that we should still make some efforts to supposingly be more democratic (100% elected for example), and at the same time accept a sort of "dictator for life". Both are not really compatible :-) And it casts on board members a sort of shadow, making it more difficult to fight group thinking directed by one.
Jimbo will always be Jimbo, the Foundator of Wikipedia. The day he quits the governing board, I presume he will join the advisory board anyway. Where he could well be member for life. Because I think he will advise the governing board for the rest of his life :-)
Ant
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Jimbo had indicated he would be willing to go for an elected seat next year. If so, he would liberate an appointed seat in june.
I would advise against Jimbo standing for election. He would, without doubt, get elected, so there is really no point and it just removes a genuine elected position, giving the community less control over the board. He should just be appointed each time his term expires, as long as the rest of the board have faith in him (if the community loses faith in him, then we can expect them to elect people who will oppose his appointment).
Hoi, I expect that when Jimmy is going for an elected seat, there is a good chance that at the same time his appointed seat becomes an elected seat. When this is the case, it makes what some would say for a more "democratic" organisation.
The most relevant part of an organisation like the WMF is our right of departure. We have the option to stay or to go with a project. When a project does no longer fulfil the aspirations of a person or when other things appear on the horizon we can just go. The other part of this right of departure that keeps the WMF honest is that the license allows anyone to go on where the WMF left off.
Personally I think of all the wiki like projects very much as an ecosystem, many projects are inside and many are outside the Wikimedia Foundation. As our ecology matures, different, more mature, relations between the projects will develop. Data will be mashed together and as long as the data is Free and Available it will be a great environment to be in.
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On 6/17/07, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
Jimbo had indicated he would be willing to go for an elected seat next year. If so, he would liberate an appointed seat in june.
I would advise against Jimbo standing for election. He would, without doubt, get elected, so there is really no point and it just removes a genuine elected position, giving the community less control over the board. He should just be appointed each time his term expires, as long as the rest of the board have faith in him (if the community loses faith in him, then we can expect them to elect people who will oppose his appointment).
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I expect that when Jimmy is going for an elected seat, there is a good chance that at the same time his appointed seat becomes an elected seat. When this is the case, it makes what some would say for a more "democratic" organisation.
That would work, but that would contradict Anthere's comment: "If so, he would liberate an appointed seat in june." That comment suggests the seat would remain appointed. Of course, that doesn't mean the plan can't change.
Thomas Dalton wrote:
I expect that when Jimmy is going for an elected seat, there is a good chance that at the same time his appointed seat becomes an elected seat. When this is the case, it makes what some would say for a more "democratic" organisation.
That would work, but that would contradict Anthere's comment: "If so, he would liberate an appointed seat in june." That comment suggests the seat would remain appointed. Of course, that doesn't mean the plan can't change.
It would be to liberate an appointed seat. And yeah, of course, the plan can change :-))))
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