Concerns have been raised that this needed wider distribution. Please note that it will happen in about 10 hours from now.
-------- Message transféré -------- De: Rob Lanphier robla@wikimedia.org Reply-to: Wikimedia developers wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org À: Wikimedia developers wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sujet: [Wikitech-l] Planned 1.17 deployment on February 8 Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 18:45:30 -0800
Hi everyone,
Just repeating something I just posted to http://techblog.wikimedia.org/2011/02/planned-1-17-deployment/
The engineering team is busy working on the deployment of the 1.17 branch of MediaWiki[1]. We plan to roll this out next week to all languages and projects, Tuesday, February 8, with work starting at 07:00 UTC (which is 11pm on Monday, February 7 for San Francisco).
If all goes well, you should only notice the improvement. If it doesn’t go well, that’s because there’s something we missed, and that’s where we’d love your help. Please help us test this release! We have a test instance of the software we plan to deploy available at http://prototype.wikimedia.org/. If you find issues, please report them in Bugzilla: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Bugzilla
There are many, many little fixes and improvements that have gone into 1.17 (see the draft release notes[2] for an exhaustive list) . There isn’t much that’s visible to users of the site, but one under the hood improvement that should result in some speed improvements: Resource Loader[3]. Resource Loader optimizes the use of JavaScript in MediaWiki, speeding up delivery of JavaScript by compressing it sometimes, and cutting down on the amount of unused JavaScript that gets delivered to the browser in the first place. Much of the work in this development cycle has been centered on ensuring compatibility with the new system. Since it makes such a large shift in the way that JavaScript is delivered to the browser, it’s also an operational aspect we’ll be keeping a close eye on, as load shifts between servers in our infrastructure.
Note that this isn’t a release for download, yet. On and after February 8, the “latest” version of MediaWiki will still be 1.16 as listed on mediawiki.org. We plan to update this to 1.17 sometime after the deployment of the 1.17 branch, after we’ve had time to run it in production for a while and fix the issues we’re likely to find.
So please, help us test this release, and if you find bugs, please report them in Bugzilla. Thanks!
Rob
[1] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_roadmap/1.17 [2] http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/branches/REL1_17/phase3/RELEASE-NO... [3] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/ResourceLoader [4] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Download _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Did this something to have do with the downtime today. I saw different language project were not working at the same time. Some page still don't look right. the box are broken and tools are not working.
More notice earlier please. Thank you.
Hoi, What would more notice achieve ?
The process of installing release 1.17 is important. It did not succeed for now but I hope it will be tried again when feasible. There are improvements in 1.17 where people have been waiting for for a long time. Thanks, GerardM
On 8 February 2011 15:58, Bartol Flint winters1c@gmail.com wrote:
Did this something to have do with the downtime today. I saw different language project were not working at the same time. Some page still don't look right. the box are broken and tools are not working.
More notice earlier please. Thank you.
-- Bartol Flint Student Erasmus University Rotterdam
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 2:42 AM, Guillaume Paumier <gpaumier@wikimedia.org
wrote:
Concerns have been raised that this needed wider distribution. Please note that it will happen in about 10 hours from now.
-------- Message transféré -------- De: Rob Lanphier robla@wikimedia.org Reply-to: Wikimedia developers wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org À: Wikimedia developers wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sujet: [Wikitech-l] Planned 1.17 deployment on February 8 Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 18:45:30 -0800
Hi everyone,
Just repeating something I just posted to http://techblog.wikimedia.org/2011/02/planned-1-17-deployment/
The engineering team is busy working on the deployment of the 1.17 branch of MediaWiki[1]. We plan to roll this out next week to all languages and projects, Tuesday, February 8, with work starting at 07:00 UTC (which is 11pm on Monday, February 7 for San Francisco).
If all goes well, you should only notice the improvement. If it doesn’t
go
well, that’s because there’s something we missed, and that’s where we’d love your help. Please help us test this release! We have a test instance of the software we plan to deploy available at http://prototype.wikimedia.org/. If you find issues, please report them in Bugzilla: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Bugzilla
There are many, many little fixes and improvements that have gone into
1.17
(see the draft release notes[2] for an exhaustive list) . There isn’t
much
that’s visible to users of the site, but one under the hood improvement that should result in some speed improvements: Resource Loader[3]. Resource Loader optimizes the use of JavaScript in MediaWiki, speeding up delivery of JavaScript by compressing it sometimes, and cutting down on the amount of unused JavaScript that gets delivered to the browser in the first place. Much of the work in this development cycle has been centered on ensuring compatibility with the new system. Since it makes such a large shift in the way that JavaScript is delivered to the browser, it’s also an operational aspect we’ll be keeping a close eye on, as load shifts between servers in our infrastructure.
Note that this isn’t a release for download, yet. On and after February
8,
the “latest” version of MediaWiki will still be 1.16 as listed on mediawiki.org. We plan to update this to 1.17 sometime after the deployment of the 1.17 branch, after we’ve had time to run it in production for a while and fix the issues we’re likely to find.
So please, help us test this release, and if you find bugs, please report them in Bugzilla. Thanks!
Rob
[1] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_roadmap/1.17 [2]
http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/branches/REL1_17/phase3/RELEASE-NO...
[3] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/ResourceLoader [4] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Download _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
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As far as I'm aware, as a long standing matter of practice, WMF sites run the latest stable or development Mediawiki, as a matter of "eating our own dog food". That implies that the notice was merely a courtesy because the change was expected to cause downtime, rather than a point of discussion. My understanding is barring technical problems caused by an upgrade, individual projects have about the same chances to switch their project to Microsoft Sharepoint as they do to hold back an upgrade. This may seem unusual because everything else revolves around discussion, but the developers and sysadmins need consistency to be able to support as many projects as WMF hosts - otherwise they'd probably be looking at having 2-3 devs for each project in each language, which is simply unfeasible even with WMF's resources.
-Stephanie
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 10:39 AM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi, What would more notice achieve ?
The process of installing release 1.17 is important. It did not succeed for now but I hope it will be tried again when feasible. There are improvements in 1.17 where people have been waiting for for a long time. Thanks, GerardM
On 8 February 2011 15:58, Bartol Flint winters1c@gmail.com wrote:
Did this something to have do with the downtime today. I saw different language project were not working at the same time. Some page still don't look right. the box are broken and tools are not working.
More notice earlier please. Thank you.
-- Bartol Flint Student Erasmus University Rotterdam
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 2:42 AM, Guillaume Paumier <gpaumier@wikimedia.org
wrote:
Concerns have been raised that this needed wider distribution. Please note that it will happen in about 10 hours from now.
-------- Message transféré -------- De: Rob Lanphier robla@wikimedia.org Reply-to: Wikimedia developers wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org À: Wikimedia developers wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sujet: [Wikitech-l] Planned 1.17 deployment on February 8 Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 18:45:30 -0800
Hi everyone,
Just repeating something I just posted to http://techblog.wikimedia.org/2011/02/planned-1-17-deployment/
The engineering team is busy working on the deployment of the 1.17 branch of MediaWiki[1]. We plan to roll this out next week to all languages and projects, Tuesday, February 8, with work starting at 07:00 UTC (which is 11pm on Monday, February 7 for San Francisco).
If all goes well, you should only notice the improvement. If it doesn’t
go
well, that’s because there’s something we missed, and that’s where we’d love your help. Please help us test this release! We have a test instance of the software we plan to deploy available at http://prototype.wikimedia.org/. If you find issues, please report them in Bugzilla: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Bugzilla
There are many, many little fixes and improvements that have gone into
1.17
(see the draft release notes[2] for an exhaustive list) . There isn’t
much
that’s visible to users of the site, but one under the hood improvement that should result in some speed improvements: Resource Loader[3]. Resource Loader optimizes the use of JavaScript in MediaWiki, speeding up delivery of JavaScript by compressing it sometimes, and cutting down on the amount of unused JavaScript that gets delivered to the browser in the first place. Much of the work in this development cycle has been centered on ensuring compatibility with the new system. Since it makes such a large shift in the way that JavaScript is delivered to the browser, it’s also an operational aspect we’ll be keeping a close eye on, as load shifts between servers in our infrastructure.
Note that this isn’t a release for download, yet. On and after February
8,
the “latest” version of MediaWiki will still be 1.16 as listed on mediawiki.org. We plan to update this to 1.17 sometime after the deployment of the 1.17 branch, after we’ve had time to run it in production for a while and fix the issues we’re likely to find.
So please, help us test this release, and if you find bugs, please report them in Bugzilla. Thanks!
Rob
[1] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_roadmap/1.17 [2]
http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/branches/REL1_17/phase3/RELEASE-NO...
[3] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/ResourceLoader [4] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Download _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
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I don't know what you mean Stephanie. Wikipedia is still not working for me right? anyone else having issue?
1.17 has just been rolled out again, but there still seem to be load issues: see http://ganglia.wikimedia.org/?r=day&s=descending&c=
Pete / the wub
On 8 February 2011 16:46, Bartol Flint winters1c@gmail.com wrote:
I don't know what you mean Stephanie. Wikipedia is still not working for me right? anyone else having issue?
-- Bartol Flint Student Erasmus University Rotterdam
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 9:21 PM, Stephanie Daugherty sdaugherty@gmail.comwrote:
As far as I'm aware, as a long standing matter of practice, WMF sites run the latest stable or development Mediawiki, as a matter of "eating our own dog food". That implies that the notice was merely a courtesy because the change was expected to cause downtime, rather than a point of discussion. My understanding is barring technical problems caused by an upgrade, individual projects have about the same chances to switch their project to Microsoft Sharepoint as they do to hold back an upgrade. This may seem unusual because everything else revolves around discussion, but the developers and sysadmins need consistency to be able to support as many projects as WMF hosts - otherwise they'd probably be looking at having 2-3 devs for each project in each language, which is simply unfeasible even with WMF's resources.
-Stephanie
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 10:39 AM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi, What would more notice achieve ?
The process of installing release 1.17 is important. It did not succeed
for
now but I hope it will be tried again when feasible. There are
improvements
in 1.17 where people have been waiting for for a long time. Thanks, GerardM
On 8 February 2011 15:58, Bartol Flint winters1c@gmail.com wrote:
Did this something to have do with the downtime today. I saw different language project were not working at the same time. Some page still
don't
look right. the box are broken and tools are not working.
More notice earlier please. Thank you.
-- Bartol Flint Student Erasmus University Rotterdam
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 2:42 AM, Guillaume Paumier <
gpaumier@wikimedia.org
wrote:
Concerns have been raised that this needed wider distribution. Please note that it will happen in about 10 hours from now.
-------- Message transféré -------- De: Rob Lanphier robla@wikimedia.org Reply-to: Wikimedia developers wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org À: Wikimedia developers wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sujet: [Wikitech-l] Planned 1.17 deployment on February 8 Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 18:45:30 -0800
Hi everyone,
Just repeating something I just posted to http://techblog.wikimedia.org/2011/02/planned-1-17-deployment/
The engineering team is busy working on the deployment of the 1.17
branch
of MediaWiki[1]. We plan to roll this out next week to all languages and projects, Tuesday, February 8, with work starting at 07:00 UTC (which
is
11pm on Monday, February 7 for San Francisco).
If all goes well, you should only notice the improvement. If it
doesn’t
go
well, that’s because there’s something we missed, and that’s where
we’d
love your help. Please help us test this release! We have a test instance
of
the software we plan to deploy available at
http://prototype.wikimedia.org/.
If you find issues, please report them in Bugzilla: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Bugzilla
There are many, many little fixes and improvements that have gone into
1.17
(see the draft release notes[2] for an exhaustive list) . There isn’t
much
that’s visible to users of the site, but one under the hood
improvement
that should result in some speed improvements: Resource Loader[3].
Resource
Loader optimizes the use of JavaScript in MediaWiki, speeding up
delivery
of JavaScript by compressing it sometimes, and cutting down on the amount
of
unused JavaScript that gets delivered to the browser in the first
place.
Much of the work in this development cycle has been centered on
ensuring
compatibility with the new system. Since it makes such a large shift
in
the way that JavaScript is delivered to the browser, it’s also an
operational
aspect we’ll be keeping a close eye on, as load shifts between servers
in
our infrastructure.
Note that this isn’t a release for download, yet. On and after
February
8,
the “latest” version of MediaWiki will still be 1.16 as listed on mediawiki.org. We plan to update this to 1.17 sometime after the deployment of the 1.17 branch, after we’ve had time to run it in production for a while and fix the issues we’re likely to find.
So please, help us test this release, and if you find bugs, please
report
them in Bugzilla. Thanks!
Rob
[1] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_roadmap/1.17 [2]
http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/branches/REL1_17/phase3/RELEASE-NO...
[3] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/ResourceLoader [4] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Download _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
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Hi,
Le mardi 08 février 2011 à 22:16 +0530, Bartol Flint a écrit :
I don't know what you mean Stephanie. Wikipedia is still not working for me right? anyone else having issue?
The tech team encountered issues during the upgrade earlier today, so they had to rollback. They've investigated these issues and are now in the process of deploying the new software version.
Now I see this on the main page :
"Our servers are currently experiencing a technical problem. This is probably temporary and should be fixed soon. Please try again in a few minutes."
Is there someplace I can follow what the status is - like on twitter??
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 10:29 PM, Guillaume Paumier gpaumier@wikimedia.orgwrote:
Hi,
Le mardi 08 février 2011 à 22:16 +0530, Bartol Flint a écrit :
I don't know what you mean Stephanie. Wikipedia is still not working for
me
right? anyone else having issue?
The tech team encountered issues during the upgrade earlier today, so they had to rollback. They've investigated these issues and are now in the process of deploying the new software version.
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Le mardi 08 février 2011 à 22:48 +0530, Bartol Flint a écrit :
Now I see this on the main page :
"Our servers are currently experiencing a technical problem. This is probably temporary and should be fixed soon. Please try again in a few minutes."
Yes. The second attempt was aborted as well, because of other issues.
Is there someplace I can follow what the status is - like on twitter??
A public status dashboard is available at http://status.wikimedia.org
Technical details are automatically pushed to identi.ca and twitter: http://identi.ca/wikimediatech http://twitter.com/wikimediatech
Latest word is that 1.17 deployment is postponed until at least tomorrow, whilst the remaining issues are tackled.
http://techblog.wikimedia.org/2011/02/1-17-deployment-postponed/
Pete / the wub
On 8 February 2011 17:35, Guillaume Paumier gpaumier@wikimedia.org wrote:
Le mardi 08 février 2011 à 22:48 +0530, Bartol Flint a écrit :
Now I see this on the main page :
"Our servers are currently experiencing a technical problem. This is probably temporary and should be fixed soon. Please try again in a few minutes."
Yes. The second attempt was aborted as well, because of other issues.
Is there someplace I can follow what the status is - like on twitter??
A public status dashboard is available at http://status.wikimedia.org
Technical details are automatically pushed to identi.ca and twitter: http://identi.ca/wikimediatech http://twitter.com/wikimediatech
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But a few of us at Wiktionary seem to have many non-functioning templates.
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 1:45 PM, Peter Coombe thewub.wiki@googlemail.comwrote:
Latest word is that 1.17 deployment is postponed until at least tomorrow, whilst the remaining issues are tackled.
http://techblog.wikimedia.org/2011/02/1-17-deployment-postponed/
Pete / the wub
On 8 February 2011 17:35, Guillaume Paumier gpaumier@wikimedia.org wrote:
Le mardi 08 février 2011 à 22:48 +0530, Bartol Flint a écrit :
Now I see this on the main page :
"Our servers are currently experiencing a technical problem. This is probably temporary and should be fixed soon. Please try again in a few minutes."
Yes. The second attempt was aborted as well, because of other issues.
Is there someplace I can follow what the status is - like on twitter??
A public status dashboard is available at http://status.wikimedia.org
Technical details are automatically pushed to identi.ca and twitter: http://identi.ca/wikimediatech http://twitter.com/wikimediatech
-- Guillaume Paumier Product manager - Wikimedia Foundation Support free knowledge: http://donate.wikimedia.org
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On 8 February 2011 22:38, Dennis During dcduring@gmail.com wrote:
But a few of us at Wiktionary seem to have many non-functioning templates.
I found a significant number of en.wp templates fell over for me in IE 8 (Vector, logged in and logged out) - the text was present, but all formatting was lost. Switching to forced-compatibility mode seemed to solve the problem, and it seems to display okay in other browsers.
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 6:16 PM, Andrew Gray andrew.gray@dunelm.org.uk wrote:
On 8 February 2011 22:38, Dennis During dcduring@gmail.com wrote:
But a few of us at Wiktionary seem to have many non-functioning templates.
I found a significant number of en.wp templates fell over for me in IE 8 (Vector, logged in and logged out) - the text was present, but all formatting was lost. Switching to forced-compatibility mode seemed to solve the problem, and it seems to display okay in other browsers.
--
I had the same issue in Firefox earlier.
On 09/02/2011, at 4:35, Guillaume Paumier gpaumier@wikimedia.org wrote:
Le mardi 08 février 2011 à 22:48 +0530, Bartol Flint a écrit :
Is there someplace I can follow what the status is - like on twitter??
A public status dashboard is available at http://status.wikimedia.org
Technical details are automatically pushed to identi.ca and twitter: http://identi.ca/wikimediatech http://twitter.
On a more general note, does the error page we display when the site goes down (for whatever reason) link to theses places? From what I remember from last time I saw that page it only links to an IRC channel. Perhaps it should refer people to the status dashboard and also link to the donation page? -Liam
2011/2/10 Liam Wyatt liamwyatt@gmail.com:
On 09/02/2011, at 4:35, Guillaume Paumier gpaumier@wikimedia.org wrote:
Le mardi 08 février 2011 à 22:48 +0530, Bartol Flint a écrit :
Is there someplace I can follow what the status is - like on twitter??
A public status dashboard is available at http://status.wikimedia.org
Technical details are automatically pushed to identi.ca and twitter: http://identi.ca/wikimediatech http://twitter.
On a more general note, does the error page we display when the site goes down (for whatever reason) link to theses places? From what I remember from last time I saw that page it only links to an IRC channel. Perhaps it should refer people to the status dashboard and also link to the donation page?
See also: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:MediaWiki_1.17/Wikimedia_deployment
Summary: A page that explains about the problem or the upgrade should not hosted be on the same server which being upgraded and is experiencing the problem.
Liam Wyatt wrote:
On a more general note, does the error page we display when the site goes down (for whatever reason) link to theses places? From what I remember from last time I saw that page it only links to an IRC channel. Perhaps it should refer people to the status dashboard and also link to the donation page?
Relevant bugs: * https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16043 * https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20079 * https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20083
MZMcBride
Bartol Flint, 08/02/2011 15:58:
Did this something to have do with the downtime today. I saw different language project were not working at the same time. Some page still don't look right. the box are broken and tools are not working.
More notice earlier please. Thank you.
I think that http://identi.ca/group/wikimedia is the best bet.
Nemo
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