As the chapter status of Wikimedia Hong Kong has come to an end, I would like to thank the volunteers at Wikimedia Hong Kong for their incredible work over the past years. It is easy to start discussions about the validity of the decision, or to play a blame game - but lets at least agree some pretty cool stuff has been done over the past years.
Most of us will remember the Wikimania conference that was organized in Hong Kong in 2013 - an amazing conference with an incredible amount of volunteers that were collected from all over society to help welcome these Wikipedians. Especially in their earliest years, I believe that Wikimedia HK was active in supporting other Asian chapters to collaborate better and grow.
Thank you, Wikimedians from Hong Kong, for your service! You have helped the Wikimedia movement in Hong Kong a lot over the past years, and I hope that we will still hear a lot from you in this new phase. The end of the organization will hopefully not mean the end of your impactful work.
Best,
Lodewijk
2017-02-08 12:48 GMT+01:00 Wong Rover rover@wikimedia.hk:
Hi all,
On behalf of WMHK, I would like to say something.
Some may think it is pity that WMHK has been de-recognized. But the board of WMHK has actually already decided to disband the chapter.
Although WMHK will cease to exist, I still hope the other chapters will continue to try their best in the Wikimedia movement.
Regards, Rover Wong the last president of Wikimedia Hong Kong
2017年2月8日 下午7:10 於 "James Heilman" jmh649@gmail.com 寫道：
Thanks Kirill
In my opinion this is reasonable. We need to have criteria for what affiliation with the movement means and what it requires from those affiliated. If the requirements are consistently not met than removing official affiliation until it is is simply common practice.
James
On Wednesday, February 8, 2017, Kirill Lokshin <kirill.lokshin@gmail.com
wrote:
Hi everyone,
Recognition as a Wikimedia movement affiliate — a chapter, thematic organization, or user group — is a privilege that allows an independent group to officially use the Wikimedia trademarks to further the
Wikimedia
mission. While most affiliates adhere to the basic compliance standards
set
forth in their agreements with the Wikimedia Foundation, a protocol has been developed to address the exceptional cases when a Wikimedia
movement
affiliate does not meet basic compliance standards and their continued recognition as a Wikimedia movement affiliate presents a risk to the Wikimedia movement.
On September 9, 2016, Wikimedia Hong Kong was notified of their
suspension
as a Wikimedia affiliate due to long standing non-compliance with
reporting
requirements, and was provided with an explicit list of tasks and
deadlines
in order to return to compliance with their chapter agreement. The
chapter
failed to complete these tasks by the deadline of November 1, 2016, and
was
consequently notified that they would no longer be recognized as a Wikimedia chapter after the termination of their Chapter Agreement on February 1, 2017.
If you have questions about what this means for the community members
in
Wikimedia Hong Kong’s geographic area or language scope, we have put together a very basic FAQ, which may be found at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_movement_ affiliate_de-recognition_FAQ .
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Just a question: can a former chapter reapply for recognition?
Vito
2017-02-08 16:13 GMT+01:00 Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org:
As the chapter status of Wikimedia Hong Kong has come to an end, I would like to thank the volunteers at Wikimedia Hong Kong for their incredible work over the past years. It is easy to start discussions about the validity of the decision, or to play a blame game - but lets at least agree some pretty cool stuff has been done over the past years.
Most of us will remember the Wikimania conference that was organized in Hong Kong in 2013 - an amazing conference with an incredible amount of volunteers that were collected from all over society to help welcome these Wikipedians. Especially in their earliest years, I believe that Wikimedia HK was active in supporting other Asian chapters to collaborate better and grow.
Thank you, Wikimedians from Hong Kong, for your service! You have helped the Wikimedia movement in Hong Kong a lot over the past years, and I hope that we will still hear a lot from you in this new phase. The end of the organization will hopefully not mean the end of your impactful work.
Best,
Lodewijk
2017-02-08 12:48 GMT+01:00 Wong Rover rover@wikimedia.hk:
Hi all,
On behalf of WMHK, I would like to say something.
Some may think it is pity that WMHK has been de-recognized. But the board of WMHK has actually already decided to disband the chapter.
Although WMHK will cease to exist, I still hope the other chapters will continue to try their best in the Wikimedia movement.
Regards, Rover Wong the last president of Wikimedia Hong Kong
2017年2月8日 下午7:10 於 "James Heilman" jmh649@gmail.com 寫道：
Thanks Kirill
In my opinion this is reasonable. We need to have criteria for what affiliation with the movement means and what it requires from those affiliated. If the requirements are consistently not met than removing official affiliation until it is is simply common practice.
James
On Wednesday, February 8, 2017, Kirill Lokshin <
kirill.lokshin@gmail.com
wrote:
Hi everyone,
Recognition as a Wikimedia movement affiliate — a chapter, thematic organization, or user group — is a privilege that allows an
independent
group to officially use the Wikimedia trademarks to further the
Wikimedia
mission. While most affiliates adhere to the basic compliance
standards
set
forth in their agreements with the Wikimedia Foundation, a protocol
has
been developed to address the exceptional cases when a Wikimedia
movement
affiliate does not meet basic compliance standards and their
continued
recognition as a Wikimedia movement affiliate presents a risk to the Wikimedia movement.
On September 9, 2016, Wikimedia Hong Kong was notified of their
suspension
as a Wikimedia affiliate due to long standing non-compliance with
reporting
requirements, and was provided with an explicit list of tasks and
deadlines
in order to return to compliance with their chapter agreement. The
chapter
failed to complete these tasks by the deadline of November 1, 2016,
and
was
consequently notified that they would no longer be recognized as a Wikimedia chapter after the termination of their Chapter Agreement on February 1, 2017.
If you have questions about what this means for the community members
in
Wikimedia Hong Kong’s geographic area or language scope, we have put together a very basic FAQ, which may be found at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_movement_ affiliate_de-recognition_FAQ .
Regards, Kirill Lokshin Vice-Chair, Affiliations Committee _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org javascript:; Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/
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Hi Vito,
yes it can. Basically, while there is space for just one chapter per country, if another group forms and decides to take up the role of Wikimedia HK, they can apply to be a chapter, since there is no chapter recognized any more. This happened with Wikimedia UK https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK, where the first iteration of the chapter was dissolved, and a second was then recognized as the official chapter.
Best,
Delphine
On 8 February 2017 at 16:20, Vi to vituzzu.wiki@gmail.com wrote:
Just a question: can a former chapter reapply for recognition?
Vito
2017-02-08 16:13 GMT+01:00 Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org:
As the chapter status of Wikimedia Hong Kong has come to an end, I would like to thank the volunteers at Wikimedia Hong Kong for their incredible work over the past years. It is easy to start discussions about the validity of the decision, or to play a blame game - but lets at least
agree
some pretty cool stuff has been done over the past years.
Most of us will remember the Wikimania conference that was organized in Hong Kong in 2013 - an amazing conference with an incredible amount of volunteers that were collected from all over society to help welcome
these
Wikipedians. Especially in their earliest years, I believe that Wikimedia HK was active in supporting other Asian chapters to collaborate better
and
grow.
Thank you, Wikimedians from Hong Kong, for your service! You have helped the Wikimedia movement in Hong Kong a lot over the past years, and I hope that we will still hear a lot from you in this new phase. The end of the organization will hopefully not mean the end of your impactful work.
Best,
Lodewijk
2017-02-08 12:48 GMT+01:00 Wong Rover rover@wikimedia.hk:
Hi all,
On behalf of WMHK, I would like to say something.
Some may think it is pity that WMHK has been de-recognized. But the
board
of WMHK has actually already decided to disband the chapter.
Although WMHK will cease to exist, I still hope the other chapters will continue to try their best in the Wikimedia movement.
Regards, Rover Wong the last president of Wikimedia Hong Kong
2017年2月8日 下午7:10 於 "James Heilman" jmh649@gmail.com 寫道：
Thanks Kirill
In my opinion this is reasonable. We need to have criteria for what affiliation with the movement means and what it requires from those affiliated. If the requirements are consistently not met than
removing
official affiliation until it is is simply common practice.
James
On Wednesday, February 8, 2017, Kirill Lokshin <
kirill.lokshin@gmail.com
wrote:
Hi everyone,
Recognition as a Wikimedia movement affiliate — a chapter, thematic organization, or user group — is a privilege that allows an
independent
group to officially use the Wikimedia trademarks to further the
Wikimedia
mission. While most affiliates adhere to the basic compliance
standards
set
forth in their agreements with the Wikimedia Foundation, a protocol
has
been developed to address the exceptional cases when a Wikimedia
movement
affiliate does not meet basic compliance standards and their
continued
recognition as a Wikimedia movement affiliate presents a risk to
the
Wikimedia movement.
On September 9, 2016, Wikimedia Hong Kong was notified of their
suspension
as a Wikimedia affiliate due to long standing non-compliance with
reporting
requirements, and was provided with an explicit list of tasks and
deadlines
in order to return to compliance with their chapter agreement. The
chapter
failed to complete these tasks by the deadline of November 1, 2016,
and
was
consequently notified that they would no longer be recognized as a Wikimedia chapter after the termination of their Chapter Agreement
on
February 1, 2017.
If you have questions about what this means for the community
members
in
Wikimedia Hong Kong’s geographic area or language scope, we have
put
together a very basic FAQ, which may be found at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_movement_ affiliate_de-recognition_FAQ .
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Thanks Lodewijk for bringing this up and thanks a lot to Wikimedia Hong Kong.
I have been in touch with WMHK and Wikimedians in Hong Kong since their application for Wikimania and have been at Wikimania and it was great. There has also been some other activities and efforts which we must acknowledge and we should appreciate all that has been done towards our common goals, even or especially as some things - like running the chapter - did not work out. That is not a failure as many other great things have happened.
/Manuel
Personally, I am a big believer of a John Wooden quote, "Failure isn't fatal, but failure to change might be". So, all the best to the Wikimedians of Hong Kong. Thank you very much for all the good works that you have done in past. I am sure that you will stack all the odds in your favors and come back with something better.
Best wishes.
--- Shabab Mustafa WMBD
--- Shabab Mustafa
On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 9:25 PM, Manuel Schneider < manuel.schneider@wikimedia.ch> wrote:
Thanks Lodewijk for bringing this up and thanks a lot to Wikimedia Hong Kong.
I have been in touch with WMHK and Wikimedians in Hong Kong since their application for Wikimania and have been at Wikimania and it was great. There has also been some other activities and efforts which we must acknowledge and we should appreciate all that has been done towards our common goals, even or especially as some things - like running the chapter - did not work out. That is not a failure as many other great things have happened.
/Manuel
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