Machado initiated this matter by posting a sarcastic message directed at me to the effect that I was ignorant.

I'm sorry if someone has overdone it in responding to him, but the ugliness started with him.

Fred Bauder

After a cool off period of about 48 hours and considerable reflection, it is my conviction that the posts of two above mentioned editors should be moderated from now on.

Andrew Garrett wrote, Sun Apr 3 10:13:26 UTC 2011, "Your messages are deliberately obnoxious, unpleasant, and off-topic to boot." it is unclear what messages he is referring to, but these are not acceptable terms to classify anybody's messages, unless it is acceptable that others classify Andrew Garrett's or anybody else's messages as "deliberately obnoxious, unpleasant, and off-topic to boot." and therefore asks him or them to "Cut it out, please." "What is good for the goose is good for the gander."

After engaging in a "friendly and polite exchange" with Dan Rosenthal, he saw fit to send me an e-mail, Sun, 3 Apr 2011 05:26, concerning "[Foundation-l] Wiki-revolution," using language unbecoming to a gentleman, that I'll not repeat. This kind of behavior cannot and should not be tolerated from members of this list. Should everybody start sending unspeakable messages to other members of the list? I do have experience of exchanging off list messages with other members, but those were used for clarification, to reach a mutual understanding and establish new bridges and avenues of communication. They were used to improve relations with other members and, as a result, improve the peaceful and cordial exchanges that should take place on this list, despite any disagreements and differences of opinion. There can never be any disagreements or differences of opinion as far as the level of education and manners used on this list, and towards members of this list both on and off list. This is no army barracks, farm stables, or brawl among drunkards on the town fairgrounds.

As Dan Rosenthal might wish to present evidence that no harm was intended or done, by making public his message, I authorize that he so does. I have no trouble in reproducing Dan Rosenthal's message on this list, provided he grants me, here, in public, on this list, authorization to do it.

I believe that Dan Rosenthal's action called for more severe sanctions, but I have many reservations concerning all sorts of so called severe sanctions on this list and Wikimedia projects in general. We all know how easily they can be circunvented by the less scrupulous. Therefore, as in the case of Andrew Garrett, my request is that their posts to be moderated from now on. That should be sufficient to prevent Dan Rosenthal from coughing again on this list and hopefully at least make him hesitate before sending unworthy messages off list.

Sincerely,

Virgilio A. P. Machado (Vapmachado)

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