This has been going on for three days, yet not one person involved in this decision has take a moment to reachout personally to the people who worked on bids, They have tabled justifications on list discussions, they have changed the status of Meta pages but not once have they given anyone the courtesy of owning the mistakes that have caused this, not even the WMF has made any personal attempt to help reconcile the damage at a more personal level..
my month ahead;
- in three hours a meeting with a bid sponsor - in 2 days a workshop with GLAM commencement of a new project that will include 100,000+ image donation - in 5 days WMAU AGM where no doubt these events will be a topic of discussion - in 15 days on 21st & 22nd I'll giving presentations at a national GLAM conference about working with us and about we have already started
I do all of this and a lot more as a volunteer not a paid employee, 3 days ago my perception in the openness, honesty and integrity of the projects took a big hit, so as hollow as it'll be now it'd still be nice to think that the people involved in this have the courage to acknowledge & own their failures in the way the changes evolved and were communicated.
As a foot note I contacted the WMF three days ago asking for information and an apology then that I could take to those outside our community who have also put time, effort and resources into the bid, those email havent even been acknowledge as being received.
On 2015-10-06 06:25, Gnangarra wrote:
This has been going on for three days, yet not one person involved in this decision has take a moment to reachout personally to the people who worked on bids, They have tabled justifications on list discussions, they have changed the status of Meta pages but not once have they given anyone the courtesy of owning the mistakes that have caused this, not even the WMF has made any personal attempt to help reconcile the damage at a more personal level..
To be honest, I can not recollect a single instance WMF people ever apologized to the community for any decision, even when it was immediately clear that they screwed up badly (like removing admin rights on WMF Wiki etc). I do not expect it this time. I do not see Elly Young in any of the Wikimania threads.
Cheers Yaroslav
Yaroslav,
To be fair to Ellie (and speaking as an outsider), she is extremely busy and usually answers direct emails quite quickly, but doesn't usually get involved in big community discussion threads on mailing lists because she spends a lot of her time travelling (and thus, I suspect,using a mobile device).
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On 6 October 2015 at 15:21, Yaroslav M. Blanter putevod@mccme.ru wrote:
On 2015-10-06 06:25, Gnangarra wrote:
This has been going on for three days, yet not one person involved in this decision has take a moment to reachout personally to the people who worked on bids, They have tabled justifications on list discussions, they have changed the status of Meta pages but not once have they given anyone the courtesy of owning the mistakes that have caused this, not even the WMF has made any personal attempt to help reconcile the damage at a more personal level..
To be honest, I can not recollect a single instance WMF people ever apologized to the community for any decision, even when it was immediately clear that they screwed up badly (like removing admin rights on WMF Wiki etc). I do not expect it this time. I do not see Elly Young in any of the Wikimania threads.
Cheers Yaroslav
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On 2015-10-06 16:27, Richard Symonds wrote:
Yaroslav,
To be fair to Ellie (and speaking as an outsider), she is extremely busy and usually answers direct emails quite quickly, but doesn't usually get involved in big community discussion threads on mailing lists because she spends a lot of her time travelling (and thus, I suspect,using a mobile device).
Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992
Hi Richard,
needless to say, I will be happy to be proven wrong.
Cheers Yaroslav
Hi Yaroslav
To be honest, I can not recollect a single instance WMF people ever
apologized to the community for any decision, even when it was immediately clear that they screwed up badly (like removing admin rights on WMF Wiki etc).
I think it's worth remembering one time they did: a month ago they, when they decided to change the schedule of the fundraising in Italy, as it was conflicting with Wiki Loves Monuments.
I understand your point, of course, but I think it's fair to recall the good things as well as the bad ones, if we want to improve this relationship.
Aubrey
Yaroslav
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On 2015-10-06 16:21, Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote:
To be honest, I can not recollect a single instance WMF people ever apologized to the community for any decision, even when it was immediately clear that they screwed up badly (like removing admin rights on WMF Wiki etc). I do not expect it this time. I do not see Elly Young in any of the Wikimania threads.
Cheers Yaroslav
I was off-list provided with such an example, and Aubrey made another example off-list, so that I am going to retract my statement. However, I certainly would like to see more examples of apologies when people screw up, and also thanking volunteers in public never harms. I thank Elly for her response, though I do not feel like she addresses the main issue: asking Manila and Perth teams to submit a bid at the time when it was decided that Montreal gets it. This is not my business anymore though, I would not attend Wikimania in either city anyway.
Cheers Yaroslav
Le 06/10/15 06:25, Gnangarra a écrit :
This has been going on for three days, yet not one person involved in this decision has take a moment to reachout personally to the people who worked on bids, They have tabled justifications on list discussions, they have changed the status of Meta pages but not once have they given anyone the courtesy of owning the mistakes that have caused this,
Actually. I did.
Florence
not even the WMF has
made any personal attempt to help reconcile the damage at a more personal level..
my month ahead;
- in three hours a meeting with a bid sponsor - in 2 days a workshop with GLAM commencement of a new project that will include 100,000+ image donation - in 5 days WMAU AGM where no doubt these events will be a topic of discussion - in 15 days on 21st & 22nd I'll giving presentations at a national GLAM conference about working with us and about we have already startedI do all of this and a lot more as a volunteer not a paid employee, 3 days ago my perception in the openness, honesty and integrity of the projects took a big hit, so as hollow as it'll be now it'd still be nice to think that the people involved in this have the courage to acknowledge & own their failures in the way the changes evolved and were communicated.
As a foot note I contacted the WMF three days ago asking for information and an apology then that I could take to those outside our community who have also put time, effort and resources into the bid, those email havent even been acknowledge as being received.
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