There is the proposal for moving Beta Wikiversity into the Incubator [1]. According to the Closing project policy [2], the decision about closing projects is something done by particular members of the Language committee (while the Board could veto the decision).
However, this is an unusual request with the positive positive outcome and I would like to hear wider community explicitly again.
My position is -- and unless I get good arguments against I would send it to the Board -- that Beta Wikiversity should be closed, as it's a generator of projects lead by lunatics. "Academic freedom" has not been fruitful and any new request for Wikiversity should pass regular Incubator rules, inside of the curator environment fully trusted by the Language committee.
The decision would be to move relevant content to the Incubator and let Incubator curators decide if any of the Beta Wikiversity admins should have adminship transferred. Beta Wikiversity would be closed and after some time (a year or two), it should be deleted.
[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wik... [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Closing_projects_policy
Hi Milos,
Thanks for the pointer. On the proposal page, I'm missing a somewhat clear and straightforward summary of the arguments in favor and against closing (why is the request made, and what was considered). That seems like valuable information for such discussion.
Would you see the opportunity to summarize your view (or of the views of the proposers) on the top of the page?
Thanks in advance!
Lodewijk
On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 1:10 PM, Milos Rancic millosh@gmail.com wrote:
There is the proposal for moving Beta Wikiversity into the Incubator [1]. According to the Closing project policy [2], the decision about closing projects is something done by particular members of the Language committee (while the Board could veto the decision).
However, this is an unusual request with the positive positive outcome and I would like to hear wider community explicitly again.
My position is -- and unless I get good arguments against I would send it to the Board -- that Beta Wikiversity should be closed, as it's a generator of projects lead by lunatics. "Academic freedom" has not been fruitful and any new request for Wikiversity should pass regular Incubator rules, inside of the curator environment fully trusted by the Language committee.
The decision would be to move relevant content to the Incubator and let Incubator curators decide if any of the Beta Wikiversity admins should have adminship transferred. Beta Wikiversity would be closed and after some time (a year or two), it should be deleted.
[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_ projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Closing_projects_policy
-- Milos
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On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 1:14 PM, Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org wrote:
Thanks for the pointer. On the proposal page, I'm missing a somewhat clear and straightforward summary of the arguments in favor and against closing (why is the request made, and what was considered). That seems like valuable information for such discussion.
Would you see the opportunity to summarize your view (or of the views of the proposers) on the top of the page?
In a little bit different words, I would say that Wikiversity has big ratio of embarrassment per language edition (I would avoid naming them, as they could be easily traced to the particular persons). Having in mind that Beta Wikiversity is presently the incubator for those projects, my position is that we should normalize it by moving the incubating process to the Incubator.
There are other reasons listed here [1], most of which could be applied for Multilingual Wikisource, as well, but I see no reason why to the same with it, as the community of Multilingual Wikisource is doing a good job.
[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Move_Beta_Wik...
2017-05-16 14:28 GMT+03:00 Milos Rancic millosh@gmail.com:
There are other reasons listed here [1], most of which could be applied for Multilingual Wikisource, as well, but I see no reason why to the same with it, as the community of Multilingual Wikisource is doing a good job.
Pretty please, let's not even mention Multilngual Wikisource here. There is no plan to close it and it's not related to this discussion at all.
This discussion is only about Beta Wikiversity.
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On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 1:32 PM, Amir E. Aharoni amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il wrote:
Pretty please, let's not even mention Multilngual Wikisource here. There is no plan to close it and it's not related to this discussion at all.
This discussion is only about Beta Wikiversity.
True. The problem is that the request page has been created to cover both projects and it's full of reasoning which cover Multilingual Wikisource, as well; so I wanted to be clear that we are not talking about it :)
I'm also talking about beta.Wikiversity administrator. I am opposed to this proposal because I think it is advantageous to keep beta.Wikiversity for a variety of reasons: to help create new Wikiversity and to have a special project could stimulate the creation of new Wikiversity (also note that Wikiversity is The project with less language versions). Plus having beta.Wikiversity is easier to monitor the creation of new pages in the various wikiversity hosts on beta.Wikiversity also the beta function is to be a reference point for the communities of various Wikiversity in any language (eg a few months ago there We are coordinated and decided there to edit the Wikiversity logo) both for proposals that relate to the project and to help individual wikiversities in introducing into original searches. In addition, beta.Wikiversity would be the place to test experimentation on the project or to try extensions (eg Education_Program and Quiz) all this if beta.Wikiversity was moved to an incubator would not be possible.
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Il 16/Mag/2017 01:36 PM, "Milos Rancic" millosh@gmail.com ha scritto:
On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 1:32 PM, Amir E. Aharoni amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il wrote:
Pretty please, let's not even mention Multilngual Wikisource here. There
is
no plan to close it and it's not related to this discussion at all.
This discussion is only about Beta Wikiversity.
True. The problem is that the request page has been created to cover both projects and it's full of reasoning which cover Multilingual Wikisource, as well; so I wanted to be clear that we are not talking about it :)
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Hi Milosh,
I'm afraid your arguments are not getting across to me. I understand you don't like the quality, but I don't see the connection at all with the structure it is set up in.
Also, while I appreciate you make the attempt here, you didn't add any argumentation at all to this page you linked. If you go to that page, you mostly see discussion from 2013 and 2015. No indication whatsoever of what is the request, why it matters and why it would be open. No summary of arguments, or reasoning.
If you want people to take this inquiry seriously, I suggest you look into providing more structured information first. Otherwise, it's not hard to predict the outcome of this round: nothing. Add the key information on the top of the page please, if you're linking to it.
Best, Lodewijk
On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 1:28 PM, Milos Rancic millosh@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 1:14 PM, Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org wrote:
Thanks for the pointer. On the proposal page, I'm missing a somewhat
clear
and straightforward summary of the arguments in favor and against closing (why is the request made, and what was considered). That seems like valuable information for such discussion.
Would you see the opportunity to summarize your view (or of the views of the proposers) on the top of the page?
In a little bit different words, I would say that Wikiversity has big ratio of embarrassment per language edition (I would avoid naming them, as they could be easily traced to the particular persons). Having in mind that Beta Wikiversity is presently the incubator for those projects, my position is that we should normalize it by moving the incubating process to the Incubator.
There are other reasons listed here [1], most of which could be applied for Multilingual Wikisource, as well, but I see no reason why to the same with it, as the community of Multilingual Wikisource is doing a good job.
[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_ projects/Move_Beta_Wikiversity_to_Incubator#Arguments_in_favor
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