Although it is a well known issue, this issue has finally made its way to spotlight with the ongoing CAMERA incident on English wikipedia... I am sure English wikipedia's arbcom will come up with a reasonable conclusion and the purpose of this email is not related to the CAMERA arbcom case directly.
Due to the very nature of wikis they are very open to outside interference and manipulation. Although there had been many discussions on the matter, they never generated the intended level of brainstorming.
I am sure someone can provide a brief history of past external manipulations so I will avoid listing them on this email.
You may be under the false impression that large wikis such as en.wikipedia is invulnerable to such attacks, but this would be a fatal mistake. English wikipedia is probably the most vulnerable language edition of wikipedia. If a lobby group were to secure some 10 admin accounts they can effectively overwhelm any process we have on English Wikipedia.
So lets discuss possible solutions and precautions.
I recommend that foundation pass a ruling on the matter of lobby takeovers. Although it goes without saying along with NPOV, spelling it out has benefits and no harm. This way we can more easily and promptly purge them on wikis that did not have a serious conversation on this matter enough to come up with a policy.
Camera incident? Sorry, I don't follow.
Mark
2008/5/5 White Cat wikipedia.kawaii.neko@gmail.com:
Although it is a well known issue, this issue has finally made its way to spotlight with the ongoing CAMERA incident on English wikipedia... I am sure English wikipedia's arbcom will come up with a reasonable conclusion and the purpose of this email is not related to the CAMERA arbcom case directly.
Due to the very nature of wikis they are very open to outside interference and manipulation. Although there had been many discussions on the matter, they never generated the intended level of brainstorming.
I am sure someone can provide a brief history of past external manipulations so I will avoid listing them on this email.
You may be under the false impression that large wikis such as en.wikipedia is invulnerable to such attacks, but this would be a fatal mistake. English wikipedia is probably the most vulnerable language edition of wikipedia. If a lobby group were to secure some 10 admin accounts they can effectively overwhelm any process we have on English Wikipedia.
So lets discuss possible solutions and precautions.
I recommend that foundation pass a ruling on the matter of lobby takeovers. Although it goes without saying along with NPOV, spelling it out has benefits and no harm. This way we can more easily and promptly purge them on wikis that did not have a serious conversation on this matter enough to come up with a policy. _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Likewise, no clue what you're talking about.
-Chad
On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 9:12 AM, Mark Williamson node.ue@gmail.com wrote:
Camera incident? Sorry, I don't follow.
Mark
2008/5/5 White Cat wikipedia.kawaii.neko@gmail.com:
Although it is a well known issue, this issue has finally made its way to spotlight with the ongoing CAMERA incident on English wikipedia... I am sure English wikipedia's arbcom will come up with a reasonable conclusion and the purpose of this email is not related to the CAMERA arbcom case directly.
Due to the very nature of wikis they are very open to outside interference and manipulation. Although there had been many discussions on the matter, they never generated the intended level of brainstorming.
I am sure someone can provide a brief history of past external manipulations so I will avoid listing them on this email.
You may be under the false impression that large wikis such as en.wikipedia is invulnerable to such attacks, but this would be a fatal mistake. English wikipedia is probably the most vulnerable language edition of wikipedia. If a lobby group were to secure some 10 admin accounts they can effectively overwhelm any process we have on English Wikipedia.
So lets discuss possible solutions and precautions.
I recommend that foundation pass a ruling on the matter of lobby takeovers. Although it goes without saying along with NPOV, spelling it out has benefits and no harm. This way we can more easily and promptly purge them on wikis that did not have a serious conversation on this matter enough to come up with a policy. _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
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This is blogosphere nonsense that there is a vast right-wing Jewish conspiracy to slant Wikipedia.
Brian McNeil
-----Original Message----- From: foundation-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:foundation-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Chad Sent: 06 May 2008 15:28 To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] [WikiEN-l] Lobby takeover of wikimedia projects,particularly English wikipedia
Likewise, no clue what you're talking about.
-Chad
On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 9:12 AM, Mark Williamson node.ue@gmail.com wrote:
Camera incident? Sorry, I don't follow.
Mark
2008/5/5 White Cat wikipedia.kawaii.neko@gmail.com:
Although it is a well known issue, this issue has finally made its way
to
spotlight with the ongoing CAMERA incident on English wikipedia... I
am sure
English wikipedia's arbcom will come up with a reasonable conclusion
and the
purpose of this email is not related to the CAMERA arbcom case
directly.
Due to the very nature of wikis they are very open to outside
interference
and manipulation. Although there had been many discussions on the
matter,
they never generated the intended level of brainstorming.
I am sure someone can provide a brief history of past external
manipulations
so I will avoid listing them on this email.
You may be under the false impression that large wikis such as
en.wikipedia
is invulnerable to such attacks, but this would be a fatal mistake.
English
wikipedia is probably the most vulnerable language edition of
wikipedia. If
a lobby group were to secure some 10 admin accounts they can
effectively
overwhelm any process we have on English Wikipedia.
So lets discuss possible solutions and precautions.
I recommend that foundation pass a ruling on the matter of lobby
takeovers.
Although it goes without saying along with NPOV, spelling it out has benefits and no harm. This way we can more easily and promptly purge
them on
wikis that did not have a serious conversation on this matter enough
to come
up with a policy. _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
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The bulk of the discussion associated with this thread is actually on WikiEn-l. CAMERA (Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America, www.camera.org) is a pro-Israel lobby group that had some e-mails by members posted to www.electronicintifada.org that showed some of them attempting to organize a campaign on English Wikipedia to influence Israel-related articles. When it was posted to a noticeboard on the English Wikipedia a group of editors and admins worked to connect e-mail addresses to editors and as a result a number of people were banned, indefinitely restricted, etc. There is a current arbitration case at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/CAMERA_lobby....
Nathan
On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 9:27 AM, Chad innocentkiller@gmail.com wrote:
Likewise, no clue what you're talking about.
Fearmongering. The integrity of the english wikipedia is not destroyed because one or two articles within a very specific genre are being attacked by POV pushers.
Until we have a committee for fairness and accuracy in Pokemon Statistics disrupting english Wikipedia, I'm pretty sure our integrity is safe.
-dan On May 6, 2008, at 9:37 AM, Nathan wrote:
The bulk of the discussion associated with this thread is actually on WikiEn-l. CAMERA (Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America, www.camera.org) is a pro-Israel lobby group that had some e- mails by members posted to www.electronicintifada.org that showed some of them attempting to organize a campaign on English Wikipedia to influence Israel-related articles. When it was posted to a noticeboard on the English Wikipedia a group of editors and admins worked to connect e-mail addresses to editors and as a result a number of people were banned, indefinitely restricted, etc. There is a current arbitration case at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/CAMERA_lobby... .
Nathan
On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 9:27 AM, Chad innocentkiller@gmail.com wrote:
Likewise, no clue what you're talking about.
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