Should the Foundation take a position on a general strike?
https://twitter.com/trevortimm/status/825395993789157376
https://twitter.com/ericgarland/status/825403294667436033
I know this is an unusual question, but when is the last time that the U.S. judiciary has deployed Federal Marshals against its own executive branch?
https://professional-troublemaker.com/2017/01/29/federal-judge-sends-u-s-mar...
Best regards, Jim Salsman
On 29 January 2017 at 15:01, James Salsman jsalsman@gmail.com wrote:
Should the Foundation take a position on a general strike?
No. This is very much a case where the foundation sits and waits.
Hoi, Our movement is impacted by the new ukaze that prevents many of our staff going home for a holiday or see their family and it prevents many members of our movement to visit the office of the WMF. So it does have a serious and negative impact on our efforts.
When there is a national strike, it will affect staff to come to the office. So going to work / not working are two distinct things here. Given that we are negatively affected, there is no problem recognising this. When you then consider that a negative perspective on muslims / Islam is grounded in a lack of knowledge, we could recognise this and when we do see this in a similar light as we see the gender gap. It is where we are lacking and it is why people can easily take an advantage.
So strike maybe not. Sympathise and do something that helps our cause and is not beneficial to those misrepresenting facts.. ABSOLUTELY. Thanks, GerardM
On 29 January 2017 at 18:16, geni geniice@gmail.com wrote:
On 29 January 2017 at 15:01, James Salsman jsalsman@gmail.com wrote:
Should the Foundation take a position on a general strike?
No. This is very much a case where the foundation sits and waits.
-- geni
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On 29 January 2017 at 17:58, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi, Our movement is impacted by the new ukaze that prevents many of our staff going home for a holiday or see their family and it prevents many members of our movement to visit the office of the WMF. So it does have a serious and negative impact on our efforts.
Do does the WMF actually have any staff from the countries affected?
Hoi, Yes. Thanks, GerardM
On 29 January 2017 at 20:01, geni geniice@gmail.com wrote:
On 29 January 2017 at 17:58, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi, Our movement is impacted by the new ukaze that prevents many of our staff going home for a holiday or see their family and it prevents many members of our movement to visit the office of the WMF. So it does have a serious and negative impact on our efforts.
Do does the WMF actually have any staff from the countries affected?
-- geni
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No. This is very much a case where the foundation sits and waits.
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On Sun, Jan 29, 2017 at 8:01 AM, James Salsman jsalsman@gmail.com wrote:
Should the Foundation take a position on a general strike?
https://twitter.com/trevortimm/status/825395993789157376
https://twitter.com/ericgarland/status/825403294667436033
I know this is an unusual question, but when is the last time that the U.S. judiciary has deployed Federal Marshals against its own executive branch?
https://professional-troublemaker.com/2017/01/29/federal-judge-sends-u-s-mar...
Best regards, Jim Salsman
James,
Is there any special relevance to the mission of the Foundation here, or this is simply an attempt to use the resources of the Foundation to gain publicity for a political cause that you personally favour?
"Rogol"
On Sun, Jan 29, 2017 at 5:41 PM, James Salsman jsalsman@gmail.com wrote:
No. This is very much a case where the foundation sits and waits.
Please take this survey: https://plus.google.com/+ jsalsman/posts/HPav2YWUag3
On Sun, Jan 29, 2017 at 8:01 AM, James Salsman jsalsman@gmail.com wrote:
Should the Foundation take a position on a general strike?
https://twitter.com/trevortimm/status/825395993789157376
https://twitter.com/ericgarland/status/825403294667436033
I know this is an unusual question, but when is the last time that the
U.S.
judiciary has deployed Federal Marshals against its own executive branch?
federal-judge-sends-u-s-marshals-to-prevent-trump- from-enforcing-muslim-ban/
Best regards, Jim Salsman
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In addition to my previous message....
This.
Rogol asks a reasonable question here, and one that concerns me. The WMF wields tremendous influence, and attempts to hijack that influence - however well intentioned and well grounded - should always be stress tested.
On Sun, Jan 29, 2017 at 9:49 AM, Rogol Domedonfors domedonfors@gmail.com wrote:
James,
Is there any special relevance to the mission of the Foundation here, or this is simply an attempt to use the resources of the Foundation to gain publicity for a political cause that you personally favour?
"Rogol"
On Sun, Jan 29, 2017 at 5:41 PM, James Salsman jsalsman@gmail.com wrote:
No. This is very much a case where the foundation sits and waits.
Please take this survey: https://plus.google.com/+ jsalsman/posts/HPav2YWUag3
On Sun, Jan 29, 2017 at 8:01 AM, James Salsman jsalsman@gmail.com
wrote:
Should the Foundation take a position on a general strike?
https://twitter.com/trevortimm/status/825395993789157376
https://twitter.com/ericgarland/status/825403294667436033
I know this is an unusual question, but when is the last time that the
U.S.
judiciary has deployed Federal Marshals against its own executive
branch?
federal-judge-sends-u-s-marshals-to-prevent-trump- from-enforcing-muslim-ban/
Best regards, Jim Salsman
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I'm alright with the WMF taking a position on issues when they're likely to have a serious impact on the core mission of Wikimedia. I fail to see how this is one of those things....
The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the Director of National Intelligence have just been replaced on the National Security Council, by Steve Bannon, the editor of Breitbart News who has a long history of promoting white nationalist positions and centralized censorship of the internet:
http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-attacks-plan-transfer-oversight-icann-f...
Hoi, Sorry James that is not in scope. Thanks, GerardM
On 29 January 2017 at 19:11, James Salsman jsalsman@gmail.com wrote:
I'm alright with the WMF taking a position on issues when they're likely
to
have a serious impact on the core mission of Wikimedia. I fail to see how this is one of those things....
The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the Director of National Intelligence have just been replaced on the National Security Council, by Steve Bannon, the editor of Breitbart News who has a long history of promoting white nationalist positions and centralized censorship of the internet:
http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-attacks-plan- transfer-oversight-icann-from-us-wrong-censorship-2016-9
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On 29 January 2017 at 18:11, James Salsman jsalsman@gmail.com wrote:
The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the Director of National Intelligence have just been replaced on the National Security Council, by Steve Bannon, the editor of Breitbart News who has a long history of promoting white nationalist positions and centralized censorship of the internet:
http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-attacks-plan-transfer-oversight-icann-f...
Yes we know. You want to talk politics? Fine lets talk politics. The US right already tends to view us as rather left leaning. Cementing that impression gains us a bunch of enemies and nothing else. A strike by the WMF isn't going to impact them very much. You want a effective general strike? Go talk to the power station workers and the Electrical grid people not the WMF.
I just spoke with Gerard Meijssen, who gave me permission to quote him saying that both censorship of the internet and travel of Foundation employees are within the scope of the issues impacting the Mission, and that he has posted here with more information:
http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.nl/2017/01/wikimedia-we-shall-overcome.html
James
There has always been control of travel into the United States. I have had a colleague arrested at the airport and deported for the "crime" of admitting that she expected to be paid by a university for a lecture she had been invited to give. That was a clear interference with the free flow of information as well. The difference is that you no longer agree with the nature of that control.
"Rogol"
On Sun, Jan 29, 2017 at 7:03 PM, James Salsman jsalsman@gmail.com wrote:
I just spoke with Gerard Meijssen, who gave me permission to quote him saying that both censorship of the internet and travel of Foundation employees are within the scope of the issues impacting the Mission, and that he has posted here with more information:
http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.nl/2017/01/wikimedia- we-shall-overcome.html
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Hoi, What I also said was that it is not good to expand the subject (in his own thread) and thereby making it too unwieldy. Yes, I am appalled by the current irrational behaviour and I did blog about this. But getting Mr Bannon into this as well is too much. It is a bad argument in this thread and I said as much. Thanks, GerardM
On 29 January 2017 at 20:03, James Salsman jsalsman@gmail.com wrote:
I just spoke with Gerard Meijssen, who gave me permission to quote him saying that both censorship of the internet and travel of Foundation employees are within the scope of the issues impacting the Mission, and that he has posted here with more information:
http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.nl/2017/01/wikimedia- we-shall-overcome.html
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On Sun, Jan 29, 2017 at 8:01 AM, James Salsman jsalsman@gmail.com wrote:
Should the Foundation take a position on a general strike?
https://twitter.com/trevortimm/status/825395993789157376
https://twitter.com/ericgarland/status/825403294667436033
I know this is an unusual question, but when is the last time that the U.S. judiciary has deployed Federal Marshals against its own executive branch?
https://professional-troublemaker.com/2017/01/29/federal-judge-sends-u-s- marshals-to-prevent-trump-from-enforcing-muslim-ban/
Best regards, Jim Salsman
I'm alright with the WMF taking a position on issues when they're likely to have a serious impact on the core mission of Wikimedia.
I fail to see how this is one of those things. The WMF is not a political advocacy organization.
Todd
I could see the Foundation making reasonable preparations against what may be inevitable - backing up servers, off-site contingencies, etc - but I do not see this as an issue where the WMF should be a leader in driving influence. The issue of a general strike is a generalized protest against.... <something/someone/some set of policies>. I see this as somewhat different from the SOPA/PIPA issue in that there is no clear and delineated threat to the WMF's existence - there is certainly a danger in the form of troubling policy, and I personally am gravely concerned that such a threat to the WMF's existence may materialize, but I don't yet see an immediate single incident/issue/law/case that the WMF should take a leadership role in advocacy against.
I'm prepared to be convinced otherwise, however.
On Sun, Jan 29, 2017 at 9:46 AM, Todd Allen toddmallen@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Jan 29, 2017 at 8:01 AM, James Salsman jsalsman@gmail.com wrote:
Should the Foundation take a position on a general strike?
https://twitter.com/trevortimm/status/825395993789157376
https://twitter.com/ericgarland/status/825403294667436033
I know this is an unusual question, but when is the last time that the
U.S.
judiciary has deployed Federal Marshals against its own executive branch?
federal-judge-sends-u-s-
marshals-to-prevent-trump-from-enforcing-muslim-ban/
Best regards, Jim Salsman
I'm alright with the WMF taking a position on issues when they're likely to have a serious impact on the core mission of Wikimedia.
I fail to see how this is one of those things. The WMF is not a political advocacy organization.
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