Dear all,
Some discussion about the Baidu Baike copy the content from Wikipedia is now on Chinese Wikipedia Village Pump.
1. http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/...
Some Baidu user copy a lot of content from Wikipedia, should them be prosecuted?
A user suggest that the Wikimedia Foundation prosecute the Baidu company and request for remove or a large amount of money (donate to Wikimedia Foundation), and have a advertisment on at least 10 newspaper/radio/TV for saying sorry to Wikipedia.
2. http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/...
About Baidu Baike
Some wikipedian said in China law, no clear solution can be make. Also, some people advice the WMF to use the http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E7%99%BE%E5%BA%A6%E7%99%BE%E7%A7%91%...] to prosecute or take action to Baidu company & Baidu Baike editor. I give a comment that send a wikipedian-signed letter to Baidu and request them to take action. Someone suggest that Wikimedia Taiwan to talk with the related organization and try to solve the problem.
3. Talk about the "Is it possible to fund the Wikimedia China?"
Thank you for your attention.
HW Editor of Chinese Wikipedia ---- Key words for wikizh-l people:
Baidu Baike = In Chinese 百度百科, the encyclopedia by a internet search website Baidu, the no.1 website in China. Wikimedia Taiwan = In Chinese 中華民國維基媒體協會, the wikimedia local assoication in Taiwan. Approved by WMF Village Pump = In Chinese 互助客棧 Wikimedia Foundation = In Chinese 維基媒體基金會
Actually, I'm pretty sure that on paper, Chinese law forbids this kind of copying without attribution. The issue is whether or not it can be enforced in practice. If it was strictly enforced, a lot of Baidu Baike and Hudong Wiki would have to be seriously retooled, so I doubt it. However, there have been recent cases in which copyright infringement claims have been upheld by Chinese courts, such as the infamous "Starbuck" coffee chain in Shanghai. I think that our legal counsel should at least be in touch with Baidu on this, and perhaps try to get them to take down the material, attribute it properly, or agree to the donation or apology letter ideas.
2011/4/18 HW waihorace@yahoo.com.hk
Dear all,
Some discussion about the Baidu Baike copy the content from Wikipedia is now on Chinese Wikipedia Village Pump.
http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/...
Some Baidu user copy a lot of content from Wikipedia, should them be prosecuted?
A user suggest that the Wikimedia Foundation prosecute the Baidu company and request for remove or a large amount of money (donate to Wikimedia Foundation), and have a advertisment on at least 10 newspaper/radio/TV for saying sorry to Wikipedia.
http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/...
About Baidu Baike
Some wikipedian said in China law, no clear solution can be make. Also, some people advice the WMF to use the
http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E7%99%BE%E5%BA%A6%E7%99%BE%E7%A7%91%... [list] to prosecute or take action to Baidu company & Baidu Baike editor. I give a comment that send a wikipedian-signed letter to Baidu and request them to take action. Someone suggest that Wikimedia Taiwan to talk with the related organization and try to solve the problem.
- Talk about the "Is it possible to fund the Wikimedia China?"
Thank you for your attention.
HW Editor of Chinese Wikipedia
Key words for wikizh-l people:
Baidu Baike = In Chinese 百度百科, the encyclopedia by a internet search website Baidu, the no.1 website in China. Wikimedia Taiwan = In Chinese 中華民國維基媒體協會, the wikimedia local assoication in Taiwan. Approved by WMF Village Pump = In Chinese 互助客棧 Wikimedia Foundation = In Chinese 維基媒體基金會 _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
2011/4/19 Dana Lutenegger dana.lutenegger@gmail.com:
Actually, I'm pretty sure that on paper, Chinese law forbids this kind of copying without attribution. The issue is whether or not it can be enforced in practice. If it was strictly enforced, a lot of Baidu Baike and Hudong Wiki would have to be seriously retooled, so I doubt it. However, there have been recent cases in which copyright infringement claims have been upheld by Chinese courts, such as the infamous "Starbuck" coffee chain in Shanghai. I think that our legal counsel should at least be in touch with Baidu on this, and perhaps try to get them to take down the material, attribute it properly, or agree to the donation or apology letter ideas.
The Starbuck case would be trademark infringement, not copyright, so isn't a particularly useful precedent. I believe China has similar copyright laws to the rest of the world, though (our article says they have signed several international agreements on the subject: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellectual_property_in_the_People%27s_Republi... ).
Keep in mind, the WMF isn't the copyright holder, so there is a limit to what the WMF's legal counsel can do. He could have a quiet word, though, which could help.
RIght, WMF is not the copyright holder of articles as Free Software Foundation is not of GPLed source codes.
Though WMF could give legal help for a Wikipedian to file a law suit or WMF could be an agent for the Wikipedian, WMF need to approach Baidu to discuss about attribution. I don't think Baidu has so much difficulties to do it.
Cheol
2011/4/19 Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com
2011/4/19 Dana Lutenegger dana.lutenegger@gmail.com:
Actually, I'm pretty sure that on paper, Chinese law forbids this kind of copying without attribution. The issue is whether or not it can be
enforced
in practice. If it was strictly enforced, a lot of Baidu Baike and Hudong Wiki would have to be seriously retooled, so I doubt it. However, there
have
been recent cases in which copyright infringement claims have been upheld
by
Chinese courts, such as the infamous "Starbuck" coffee chain in Shanghai.
I
think that our legal counsel should at least be in touch with Baidu on
this,
and perhaps try to get them to take down the material, attribute it properly, or agree to the donation or apology letter ideas.
The Starbuck case would be trademark infringement, not copyright, so isn't a particularly useful precedent. I believe China has similar copyright laws to the rest of the world, though (our article says they have signed several international agreements on the subject:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellectual_property_in_the_People%27s_Republi... ).
Keep in mind, the WMF isn't the copyright holder, so there is a limit to what the WMF's legal counsel can do. He could have a quiet word, though, which could help.
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Hello,
Fact is that Baidu doesn't care. We don't know who backs Baidu in China but with its prominent position it cannot be anyone very small. Maybe some of you remember that a few months ago there were media coverage about Hudong is going to sue Baidu because of copyright infringement, but that also just disappeared somewhere in the Chinese juristiction system. Rumor say that Hudong did it only to get some publicity. At this moment there is no point to sue Baidu, neither for any Wikipedian nor for WMF.
Greetings Ting
On 21.04.2011 06:16, wrote RYU Cheol:
RIght, WMF is not the copyright holder of articles as Free Software Foundation is not of GPLed source codes.
Though WMF could give legal help for a Wikipedian to file a law suit or WMF could be an agent for the Wikipedian, WMF need to approach Baidu to discuss about attribution. I don't think Baidu has so much difficulties to do it.
Cheol
2011/4/19 Thomas Daltonthomas.dalton@gmail.com
2011/4/19 Dana Luteneggerdana.lutenegger@gmail.com:
Actually, I'm pretty sure that on paper, Chinese law forbids this kind of copying without attribution. The issue is whether or not it can be
enforced
in practice. If it was strictly enforced, a lot of Baidu Baike and Hudong Wiki would have to be seriously retooled, so I doubt it. However, there
have
been recent cases in which copyright infringement claims have been upheld
by
Chinese courts, such as the infamous "Starbuck" coffee chain in Shanghai.
I
think that our legal counsel should at least be in touch with Baidu on
this,
and perhaps try to get them to take down the material, attribute it properly, or agree to the donation or apology letter ideas.
The Starbuck case would be trademark infringement, not copyright, so isn't a particularly useful precedent. I believe China has similar copyright laws to the rest of the world, though (our article says they have signed several international agreements on the subject:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellectual_property_in_the_People%27s_Republi... ).
Keep in mind, the WMF isn't the copyright holder, so there is a limit to what the WMF's legal counsel can do. He could have a quiet word, though, which could help.
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Hoi, The best thing regarding the Chinese Wikipedia is that the last few months the traffic has been growing astoundingly. This to an extend where in traffic Chinese is now the tenth wikipedia in traffic.
In the end it is not about Baidu, it is about bringing great NPOV information to the Chinese. When Baidu abuses our content and we continue to grow in traffic I could not care less. Yes, it is copyright infringement and all of us do not have "illegal" copies of music or movies on any of our electronic devices. Thanks, GerardM
http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesPageViewsMonthly.htm
2011/4/21 Ting Chen wing.philopp@gmx.de
Hello,
Fact is that Baidu doesn't care. We don't know who backs Baidu in China but with its prominent position it cannot be anyone very small. Maybe some of you remember that a few months ago there were media coverage about Hudong is going to sue Baidu because of copyright infringement, but that also just disappeared somewhere in the Chinese juristiction system. Rumor say that Hudong did it only to get some publicity. At this moment there is no point to sue Baidu, neither for any Wikipedian nor for WMF.
Greetings Ting
On 21.04.2011 06:16, wrote RYU Cheol:
RIght, WMF is not the copyright holder of articles as Free Software Foundation is not of GPLed source codes.
Though WMF could give legal help for a Wikipedian to file a law suit or
WMF
could be an agent for the Wikipedian, WMF need to approach Baidu to discuss about attribution. I don't think
Baidu
has so much difficulties to do it.
Cheol
2011/4/19 Thomas Daltonthomas.dalton@gmail.com
2011/4/19 Dana Luteneggerdana.lutenegger@gmail.com:
Actually, I'm pretty sure that on paper, Chinese law forbids this kind
of
copying without attribution. The issue is whether or not it can be
enforced
in practice. If it was strictly enforced, a lot of Baidu Baike and
Hudong
Wiki would have to be seriously retooled, so I doubt it. However, there
have
been recent cases in which copyright infringement claims have been
upheld
by
Chinese courts, such as the infamous "Starbuck" coffee chain in
Shanghai.
I
think that our legal counsel should at least be in touch with Baidu on
this,
and perhaps try to get them to take down the material, attribute it properly, or agree to the donation or apology letter ideas.
The Starbuck case would be trademark infringement, not copyright, so isn't a particularly useful precedent. I believe China has similar copyright laws to the rest of the world, though (our article says they have signed several international agreements on the subject:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellectual_property_in_the_People%27s_Republi...
).
Keep in mind, the WMF isn't the copyright holder, so there is a limit to what the WMF's legal counsel can do. He could have a quiet word, though, which could help.
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