I'd like to ask your support the project I started:
http://pigsonthewing.org.uk/open-licensed-format-recordings-voices-wikipedia-wikimedia-commons/
asking the subjects of Wikipedia articles to record a 10-second sample of their speaking voice, for use on those articles.
An example script is "Hello, my name is [name]. I was born in [place] and I have been [job or position] since [year]".
So far, the participants:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Voice_intro_project
include Sue Black, Cory Doctorow, Bill Thompson and Dave Winer; and we've just had our first recording in French - but we need many more.
Do you know anyone who has an article about them? Do you know of tools that would simplify the process of making ogg files, open licensing them, and uploading them to Commons? How can we include more speakers of other languages?
-- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk
Andy - have you thought about putting a project page on Wikipedia and not just hosting it on your blog ?
It might bring more traffic.
I saw your Tweet about doing this, I just..well..haven't sat down and done it yet. And I hate my recorded voice. O_o
-Sarah
On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 5:57 AM, Andy Mabbett andy@pigsonthewing.org.ukwrote:
I'd like to ask your support the project I started:
< http://pigsonthewing.org.uk/open-licensed-format-recordings-voices-wikipedia...
asking the subjects of Wikipedia articles to record a 10-second sample of their speaking voice, for use on those articles.
An example script is "Hello, my name is [name]. I was born in [place] and I have been [job or position] since [year]".
So far, the participants:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Voice_intro_project
include Sue Black, Cory Doctorow, Bill Thompson and Dave Winer; and we've just had our first recording in French - but we need many more.
Do you know anyone who has an article about them? Do you know of tools that would simplify the process of making ogg files, open licensing them, and uploading them to Commons? How can we include more speakers of other languages?
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On 8 February 2013 14:57, Sarah Stierch sarah.stierch@gmail.com wrote:
Andy - have you thought about putting a project page on Wikipedia and not just hosting it on your blog ?
Yes; I have a rewrite for that purpose, on my to-do list.
I saw your Tweet about doing this, I just..well..haven't sat down and done it yet. And I hate my recorded voice. O_o
Who doesn't ;-) I'm sure your recording will be worth waiting for.
Andy Mabbett, 08/02/2013 14:57:
I'd like to ask your support the project I started:
<http://pigsonthewing.org.uk/open-licensed-format-recordings-voices-wikipedia-wikimedia-commons/>asking the subjects of Wikipedia articles to record a 10-second sample of their speaking voice, for use on those articles.
An example script is "Hello, my name is [name]. I was born in [place] and I have been [job or position] since [year]".
So far, the participants:
<http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Voice_intro_project>include Sue Black, Cory Doctorow, Bill Thompson and Dave Winer; and we've just had our first recording in French - but we need many more.
Do you know anyone who has an article about them? Do you know of tools that would simplify the process of making ogg files, open licensing them, and uploading them to Commons? How can we include more speakers of other languages?
I think we really need such a tool, for instance it's a shame that Wiktionary doesn't have pronounciation recordings on most of its entries. Of course it's better if the speaker is authoritative (like the subject in person for a biography or a professional for Wiktionary), but tools would help everyone.
Nemo
Yeah, it'd be cool to have a tool that allows the subject to record and then make their file an ogg, or record it to ogg in a super fast way.
it's a small, but time consuming thing to record yourself, upload it (or whatever) to your computer, and then figure out how to make it into an open license.
-Sarah
On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 7:03 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemowiki@gmail.comwrote:
Andy Mabbett, 08/02/2013 14:57:
I'd like to ask your support the project I started:
<http://pigsonthewing.org.uk/**open-licensed-format-**recordings-voices-wikipedia-**wikimedia-commons/http://pigsonthewing.org.uk/open-licensed-format-recordings-voices-wikipedia-wikimedia-commons/
asking the subjects of Wikipedia articles to record a 10-second sample of their speaking voice, for use on those articles.
An example script is "Hello, my name is [name]. I was born in [place] and I have been [job or position] since [year]".
So far, the participants:
<http://commons.wikimedia.org/**wiki/Category:Voice_intro_**project<http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Voice_intro_project>include Sue Black, Cory Doctorow, Bill Thompson and Dave Winer; and we've just had our first recording in French - but we need many more.
Do you know anyone who has an article about them? Do you know of tools that would simplify the process of making ogg files, open licensing them, and uploading them to Commons? How can we include more speakers of other languages?
I think we really need such a tool, for instance it's a shame that Wiktionary doesn't have pronounciation recordings on most of its entries. Of course it's better if the speaker is authoritative (like the subject in person for a biography or a professional for Wiktionary), but tools would help everyone.
Nemo
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On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 10:06 AM, Sarah Stierch sarah.stierch@gmail.com wrote:
Yeah, it'd be cool to have a tool that allows the subject to record and then make their file an ogg, or record it to ogg in a super fast way.
it's a small, but time consuming thing to record yourself, upload it (or whatever) to your computer, and then figure out how to make it into an open license.
-Sarah
Sounds like a job for the Commons mobile apps! If sound recording is not on the roadmap, it should be.
Yuvi, Brion, are you guys reading this thread? (I'll ping them.)
-Sage
On 8 February 2013 15:06, Sarah Stierch sarah.stierch@gmail.com wrote:
Yeah, it'd be cool to have a tool that allows the subject to record and then make their file an ogg, or record it to ogg in a super fast way.
it's a small, but time consuming thing to record yourself, upload it (or whatever) to your computer, and then figure out how to make it into an open license.
People could use AudioBoo, for example, if it had a Flickr-like way for uploaders to open-license a recoding. I'ive reached out to them suggesting that, with no luck yet.
I'm also looking at http://croak.it/.
Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk
Hoi, There are several tools that allow you to record pronunciations. I have done many many in the past and, I am not the only on Thanks, GerardM
On 8 February 2013 16:06, Sarah Stierch sarah.stierch@gmail.com wrote:
Yeah, it'd be cool to have a tool that allows the subject to record and then make their file an ogg, or record it to ogg in a super fast way.
it's a small, but time consuming thing to record yourself, upload it (or whatever) to your computer, and then figure out how to make it into an open license.
-Sarah
On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 7:03 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) <nemowiki@gmail.com
wrote:
Andy Mabbett, 08/02/2013 14:57:
I'd like to ask your support the project I started:
<http://pigsonthewing.org.uk/**open-licensed-format-**recordings-voices-wikipedia-**wikimedia-commons/<
http://pigsonthewing.org.uk/open-licensed-format-recordings-voices-wikipedia...
asking the subjects of Wikipedia articles to record a 10-second sample of their speaking voice, for use on those articles.
An example script is "Hello, my name is [name]. I was born in [place] and I have been [job or position] since [year]".
So far, the participants:
<http://commons.wikimedia.org/**wiki/Category:Voice_intro_**projecthttp://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Voice_intro_project
include Sue Black, Cory Doctorow, Bill Thompson and Dave Winer; and we've just had our first recording in French - but we need many more.
Do you know anyone who has an article about them? Do you know of tools that would simplify the process of making ogg files, open licensing them, and uploading them to Commons? How can we include more speakers of other languages?
I think we really need such a tool, for instance it's a shame that Wiktionary doesn't have pronounciation recordings on most of its entries. Of course it's better if the speaker is authoritative (like the subject
in
person for a biography or a professional for Wiktionary), but tools would help everyone.
Nemo
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Okay. So I looked at this a couple of times, and couldn't come up with a good idea for "notable" people to want to deliberately record and upload with an open license a recording of their own voice - knowing that it *will* be abused and misused and mashed. (There's little question that this will happen. Just because Wikimedians are pretty decent sorts doesn't mean the rest of the world is.)
Now, I have no objection whatsoever to supporting article subjects who *wish* to do this, but I'm not convinced it's a good idea to actively try to persuade them. I'm not convinced that recordings of a person's voice is actually "information" about the person, either, except in the way that their fingerprints are.
Risker/Anne
On 8 February 2013 17:09, Risker risker.wp@gmail.com wrote:
Okay. So I looked at this a couple of times, and couldn't come up with a good idea for "notable" people to want to deliberately record and upload with an open license a recording of their own voice - knowing that it *will* be abused and misused and mashed. (There's little question that this will happen. Just because Wikimedians are pretty decent sorts doesn't mean the rest of the world is.)
Now, I have no objection whatsoever to supporting article subjects who *wish* to do this, but I'm not convinced it's a good idea to actively try to persuade them. I'm not convinced that recordings of a person's voice is actually "information" about the person, either, except in the way that their fingerprints are.
Risker/Anne
I'm afraid, rather sadly, I have to agree. At a minimum, I would recommend that those donating their audio or video are cautioned very clearly about what free re-use might mean, and that the licence is certain to be irrevocable, even if we do later make a community decision to delete a file from Commons (which is highly unlikely if they are notable and the release was unambiguous).
It's a nice idea, but my frank advice to a notable person would be to release on a CC-BY-SA-ND licence which means that re-use is far more likely to stay "respectful" and even though this means that Commons could not host, articles on Wikipedias could still provide a link to a stable host site that did accept the ND restriction. This is the same advice I have provided for sensitive modern cultural content, such as photographs of the general public at festivals where there is no specific release from the models, or tribal rituals which may contain children or partial nudity. Sometimes this means turning away super content, but I would much rather do that than have upset partners who may suffer reputational damage as a result.
Obviously if you are notable and you don't care because your voice and image is everywhere already (and perhaps massively misused or used in parody), then perhaps the caution will not put you off that much anyway, as it would be water off a duck's back.
Thanks, Fae
Gerard,
Did not we record something sounding like "merry christmas and happy new year" several years ago ? Was it uploaded ? I could not find it ;)
Flo
On 2/8/13 5:24 PM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
Hoi, There are several tools that allow you to record pronunciations. I have done many many in the past and, I am not the only on Thanks, GerardM
On 8 February 2013 16:06, Sarah Stierch sarah.stierch@gmail.com wrote:
Yeah, it'd be cool to have a tool that allows the subject to record and then make their file an ogg, or record it to ogg in a super fast way.
it's a small, but time consuming thing to record yourself, upload it (or whatever) to your computer, and then figure out how to make it into an open license.
-Sarah
On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 7:03 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) <nemowiki@gmail.com
wrote:
Andy Mabbett, 08/02/2013 14:57:
I'd like to ask your support the project I started:
<http://pigsonthewing.org.uk/**open-licensed-format-**recordings-voices-wikipedia-**wikimedia-commons/<
http://pigsonthewing.org.uk/open-licensed-format-recordings-voices-wikipedia...
asking the subjects of Wikipedia articles to record a 10-second sample of their speaking voice, for use on those articles.
An example script is "Hello, my name is [name]. I was born in [place] and I have been [job or position] since [year]".
So far, the participants:
<http://commons.wikimedia.org/**wiki/Category:Voice_intro_**projecthttp://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Voice_intro_project
include Sue Black, Cory Doctorow, Bill Thompson and Dave Winer; and we've just had our first recording in French - but we need many more.
Do you know anyone who has an article about them? Do you know of tools that would simplify the process of making ogg files, open licensing them, and uploading them to Commons? How can we include more speakers of other languages?
I think we really need such a tool, for instance it's a shame that Wiktionary doesn't have pronounciation recordings on most of its entries. Of course it's better if the speaker is authoritative (like the subject
in
person for a biography or a professional for Wiktionary), but tools would help everyone.
Nemo
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Hoi, Yes, they were uploaded. They are not that easy to find because they are things like "file:Nl-Zalig Pasen.ogg" I found this one for Easter.
The soundfiles are there on Commons but for whatever reason the pages where they were used are no longer with us :( Thanks, Gerard
On 8 February 2013 21:34, Florence Devouard anthere9@yahoo.com wrote:
Gerard,
Did not we record something sounding like "merry christmas and happy new year" several years ago ? Was it uploaded ? I could not find it ;)
Flo
On 2/8/13 5:24 PM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
Hoi, There are several tools that allow you to record pronunciations. I have done many many in the past and, I am not the only on Thanks, GerardM
On 8 February 2013 16:06, Sarah Stierch sarah.stierch@gmail.com wrote:
Yeah, it'd be cool to have a tool that allows the subject to record and
then make their file an ogg, or record it to ogg in a super fast way.
it's a small, but time consuming thing to record yourself, upload it (or whatever) to your computer, and then figure out how to make it into an open license.
-Sarah
On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 7:03 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) <nemowiki@gmail.com
wrote:
Andy Mabbett, 08/02/2013 14:57:
I'd like to ask your support the project I started:
<http://pigsonthewing.org.uk/****open-licensed-format-**<http://pigsonthewing.org.uk/**open-licensed-format-**>recordings-voices-wikipedia-****wikimedia-commons/<
recordings-voices-wikipedia-**wikimedia-commons/http://pigsonthewing.org.uk/open-licensed-format-recordings-voices-wikipedia-wikimedia-commons/
asking the subjects of Wikipedia articles to record a 10-second sample of their speaking voice, for use on those articles.
An example script is "Hello, my name is [name]. I was born in [place] and I have been [job or position] since [year]".
So far, the participants:
<http://commons.wikimedia.org/****wiki/Category:Voice_intro_****projecthttp://commons.wikimedia.org/**wiki/Category:Voice_intro_**project
<http://commons.wikimedia.org/**wiki/Category:Voice_intro_**projecthttp://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Voice_intro_project
include Sue Black, Cory Doctorow, Bill Thompson and Dave Winer; and we've just had our first recording in French - but we need many more.
Do you know anyone who has an article about them? Do you know of tools that would simplify the process of making ogg files, open licensing them, and uploading them to Commons? How can we include more speakers of other languages?
I think we really need such a tool, for instance it's a shame that Wiktionary doesn't have pronounciation recordings on most of its entries. Of course it's better if the speaker is authoritative (like the subject
in
person for a biography or a professional for Wiktionary), but tools would help everyone.
Nemo
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Hoi, I found something on nl.wiktionary...
http://nl.wiktionary.org/wiki/Vrolijk_Kerstfeest_en_een_Gelukkig_Nieuwjaar!
Thanks, Gerard
On 9 February 2013 15:16, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi, Yes, they were uploaded. They are not that easy to find because they are things like "file:Nl-Zalig Pasen.ogg" I found this one for Easter.
The soundfiles are there on Commons but for whatever reason the pages where they were used are no longer with us :( Thanks, Gerard
On 8 February 2013 21:34, Florence Devouard anthere9@yahoo.com wrote:
Gerard,
Did not we record something sounding like "merry christmas and happy new year" several years ago ? Was it uploaded ? I could not find it ;)
Flo
On 2/8/13 5:24 PM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
Hoi, There are several tools that allow you to record pronunciations. I have done many many in the past and, I am not the only on Thanks, GerardM
On 8 February 2013 16:06, Sarah Stierch sarah.stierch@gmail.com wrote:
Yeah, it'd be cool to have a tool that allows the subject to record and
then make their file an ogg, or record it to ogg in a super fast way.
it's a small, but time consuming thing to record yourself, upload it (or whatever) to your computer, and then figure out how to make it into an open license.
-Sarah
On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 7:03 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) < nemowiki@gmail.com
wrote:
Andy Mabbett, 08/02/2013 14:57:
I'd like to ask your support the project I started:
<http://pigsonthewing.org.uk/****open-licensed-format-**<http://pigsonthewing.org.uk/**open-licensed-format-**>recordings-voices-wikipedia-****wikimedia-commons/<
recordings-voices-wikipedia-**wikimedia-commons/http://pigsonthewing.org.uk/open-licensed-format-recordings-voices-wikipedia-wikimedia-commons/
> asking the subjects of Wikipedia articles to record a 10-second sample of their speaking voice, for use on those articles.
An example script is "Hello, my name is [name]. I was born in [place] and I have been [job or position] since [year]".
So far, the participants:
<http://commons.wikimedia.org/****wiki/Category:Voice_intro_****projecthttp://commons.wikimedia.org/**wiki/Category:Voice_intro_**project
<http://commons.wikimedia.org/**wiki/Category:Voice_intro_**projecthttp://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Voice_intro_project
> include Sue Black, Cory Doctorow, Bill Thompson and Dave Winer; and we've just had our first recording in French - but we need many more.
Do you know anyone who has an article about them? Do you know of tools that would simplify the process of making ogg files, open licensing them, and uploading them to Commons? How can we include more speakers of other languages?
I think we really need such a tool, for instance it's a shame that Wiktionary doesn't have pronounciation recordings on most of its entries. Of course it's better if the speaker is authoritative (like the subject
in
person for a biography or a professional for Wiktionary), but tools would help everyone.
Nemo
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On Fri, 8 Feb 2013 13:57:41 +0000, Andy Mabbett wrote:
I'd like to ask your support the project I started:
http://pigsonthewing.org.uk/open-licensed-format-recordings-voices-wikipedia-wikimedia-commons/
asking the subjects of Wikipedia articles to record a 10-second sample of their speaking voice, for use on those articles.
An example script is "Hello, my name is [name]. I was born in [place] and I have been [job or position] since [year]".
So far, the participants:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Voice_intro_project
include Sue Black, Cory Doctorow, Bill Thompson and Dave Winer; and we've just had our first recording in French - but we need many more.
Do you know anyone who has an article about them? Do you know of tools that would simplify the process of making ogg files, open licensing them, and uploading them to Commons? How can we include more speakers of other languages?
This sounds interesting, but what is the purpose? I happen to be a subject of a Wikipedia article, is the idea that anybody would get a chance to hear what accent do I have? I am not sure I would like this.
Cheers Yaroslav
On 8 February 2013 15:27, Yaroslav M. Blanter putevod@mccme.ru wrote:
This sounds interesting, but what is the purpose? I happen to be a subject of a Wikipedia article, is the idea that anybody would get a chance to hear what accent do I have? I am not sure I would like this.
The reasons are explained in the blog post to which I linked
If you don't want to do it, then of course, don't.
Even if I'm really in favor of sound content in articles, I'm not sure that a license like the CC by SA is good for that. Do the subject are really aware of what it means?, that their voice could be used without their consent afterwards?
It could be a good opportunity to open a constructive discussion about new license with NC and ND option?
Charles
Le 8 févr. 2013 à 14:57, Andy Mabbett andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk a écrit :
I'd like to ask your support the project I started:
http://pigsonthewing.org.uk/open-licensed-format-recordings-voices-wikipedia-wikimedia-commons/
asking the subjects of Wikipedia articles to record a 10-second sample of their speaking voice, for use on those articles.
An example script is "Hello, my name is [name]. I was born in [place] and I have been [job or position] since [year]".
So far, the participants:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Voice_intro_project
include Sue Black, Cory Doctorow, Bill Thompson and Dave Winer; and we've just had our first recording in French - but we need many more.
Do you know anyone who has an article about them? Do you know of tools that would simplify the process of making ogg files, open licensing them, and uploading them to Commons? How can we include more speakers of other languages?
-- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk
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