At last Sunday's London Meetup we discussed the situation and while not wanting to seem over cautious (we were of course the dozen who'd decided to attend). We realised that there was a good chance that the April and even May meetings might need to go virtual.
Is there a recommended software solution for video/audio conferencing a dozen to twenty people?
I took part in some not the wikipedia Weekly podcasts almost a decade ago, but i'm assuming the technology has progressed since then. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Not_The_Wikipedia_Weekly
Regards
WSC
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Hi,
I believe it likely is too early to make a decision. We have a professional team at the WMF monitoring the situation, but the date is still 5 months in the future.
It is reasonable to expect that we may need to make adjustments to the situation as it develops and in 2-3 months it will be much clearer where we stand.
For now, I think it is already fair to say that the WMF leadership is not shying away from difficult decisions (the summit cancellation, closing down the office, canceling international travel for staff) and clearly prioritizes our safety.
I trust the judgment of our staff when they communicate clearly that they are considering all options and will.make a decision in due time.
Best,
Dj "pundit"
On Tue, Mar 10, 2020, 00:45 Rehman Abubakr rehman.wikimedia@live.com wrote:
I too have cancelled all personal/work/wiki travel plans. The risks are far too great.
A single infection at the conference, depending on who/where, has the potential to cause significant damage to the Movement.
I understand the sheer effort that has already been put, but I strongly hope the Foundation will postpone the conference or cancel this year's conference for the safety of the volunteers, and to prevent the risk of spreading it to more parts of the world.
Yours truly,
Rehmanhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Rehman
From: Wikimedia-l wikimedia-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org on behalf of James Heilman jmh649@gmail.com Sent: 09 March 2020 22:51 To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] 2020 Wikimania Scholarships now open
From a personal perspective, I have cancelled all future travel plans and have requested that everyone I work with do the same. I am of course in healthcare. Please note that this is not official advise.
James
On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 5:48 AM Toni Ristovski toni91ehrlich@gmail.com wrote:
For a setting with a lot of presentations and questions Zoom should work fine
https://zoom.us/?zcid=2314&creative=359453254254&keyword=%2Bzoom%20o...
but of course it would not provide any interaction between participants.
Best Yaroslav
On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 3:59 PM WereSpielChequers < werespielchequers@gmail.com> wrote:
At last Sunday's London Meetup we discussed the situation and while not wanting to seem over cautious (we were of course the dozen who'd decided to attend). We realised that there was a good chance that the April and even May meetings might need to go virtual.
Is there a recommended software solution for video/audio conferencing a dozen to twenty people?
I took part in some not the wikipedia Weekly podcasts almost a decade ago, but i'm assuming the technology has progressed since then. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Not_The_Wikipedia_Weekly
Regards
WSC
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Hi,
I believe it likely is too early to make a decision. We have a
professional
team at the WMF monitoring the situation, but the date is still 5 months
in
the future.
It is reasonable to expect that we may need to make adjustments to the situation as it develops and in 2-3 months it will be much clearer where
we
stand.
For now, I think it is already fair to say that the WMF leadership is not shying away from difficult decisions (the summit cancellation, closing
down
the office, canceling international travel for staff) and clearly prioritizes our safety.
I trust the judgment of our staff when they communicate clearly that they are considering all options and will.make a decision in due time.
Best,
Dj "pundit"
On Tue, Mar 10, 2020, 00:45 Rehman Abubakr rehman.wikimedia@live.com wrote:
I too have cancelled all personal/work/wiki travel plans. The risks are far too great.
A single infection at the conference, depending on who/where, has the potential to cause significant damage to the Movement.
I understand the sheer effort that has already been put, but I strongly hope the Foundation will postpone the conference or cancel this year's conference for the safety of the volunteers, and to prevent the risk of spreading it to more parts of the world.
Yours truly,
Rehmanhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Rehman
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From a personal perspective, I have cancelled all future travel plans
and
have requested that everyone I work with do the same. I am of course in healthcare. Please note that this is not official advise.
James
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See https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiProject_remote_event_participation on possible options and available materials, its not perfect and there are mechanics and costs that individual events need to addressed but hopefully it'll help as a starting point
On Tue, 10 Mar 2020 at 23:05, Yaroslav Blanter ymbalt@gmail.com wrote:
For a setting with a lot of presentations and questions Zoom should work fine
https://zoom.us/?zcid=2314&creative=359453254254&keyword=%2Bzoom%20o...
but of course it would not provide any interaction between participants.
Best Yaroslav
On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 3:59 PM WereSpielChequers < werespielchequers@gmail.com> wrote:
At last Sunday's London Meetup we discussed the situation and while not wanting to seem over cautious (we were of course the dozen who'd decided
to
attend). We realised that there was a good chance that the April and even May meetings might need to go virtual.
Is there a recommended software solution for video/audio conferencing a dozen to twenty people?
I took part in some not the wikipedia Weekly podcasts almost a decade
ago,
but i'm assuming the technology has progressed since then. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Not_The_Wikipedia_Weekly
Regards
WSC
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Hi,
I believe it likely is too early to make a decision. We have a
professional
team at the WMF monitoring the situation, but the date is still 5
months
in
the future.
It is reasonable to expect that we may need to make adjustments to the situation as it develops and in 2-3 months it will be much clearer
where
we
stand.
For now, I think it is already fair to say that the WMF leadership is
not
shying away from difficult decisions (the summit cancellation, closing
down
the office, canceling international travel for staff) and clearly prioritizes our safety.
I trust the judgment of our staff when they communicate clearly that
they
are considering all options and will.make a decision in due time.
Best,
Dj "pundit"
On Tue, Mar 10, 2020, 00:45 Rehman Abubakr rehman.wikimedia@live.com wrote:
I too have cancelled all personal/work/wiki travel plans. The risks
are
far too great.
A single infection at the conference, depending on who/where, has the potential to cause significant damage to the Movement.
I understand the sheer effort that has already been put, but I
strongly
hope the Foundation will postpone the conference or cancel this
year's
conference for the safety of the volunteers, and to prevent the risk
of
spreading it to more parts of the world.
Yours truly,
Rehmanhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Rehman
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From a personal perspective, I have cancelled all future travel plans
and
have requested that everyone I work with do the same. I am of course
in
healthcare. Please note that this is not official advise.
James
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I encourage UK wikimedians to test out group meeting tools, if only to be in a strong position to share experiences and recommendations with other groups as to the practicalities of substituting meet ups with virtual events. This is a subject that gets discussed at *every* Wikimania but there is hardly any progress apart from streaming videos with very limited virtual chat.
The WM-LGBT+ community has been using Zoom to coordinate the user group and for the LGBT+ conference with participants using very varied broadband access, hardware kit, and from many countries. Any videoconference tool would struggle on a very old laptop, and my old laptop could not handle it in real time, but modern tablets and mobile phones can run the version of it quite successfully. We have had up to 8 people in a meeting and you share a text channel as well as having options for seeing who is speaking or keeping a gallery view on your screen. Keep in mind that smartphones are specially designed to handle video conferencing, and normally do an excellent job of it.
Separately I prefer Google hangouts for a very bad internet connection (under 10 mb/s) which is more forgiving than Zoom or Skype as it seems to be better at brown-out conditions. Google hangouts is probably a bit easier for the average volunteer to log in to or get running on their kit, for example installing Zoom on Ubuntu meant setting things up on the command line for me.
Fae
On Tue, 10 Mar 2020 at 15:05, Yaroslav Blanter ymbalt@gmail.com wrote:
For a setting with a lot of presentations and questions Zoom should work fine
https://zoom.us/?zcid=2314&creative=359453254254&keyword=%2Bzoom%20o...
but of course it would not provide any interaction between participants.
Best Yaroslav
On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 3:59 PM WereSpielChequers < werespielchequers@gmail.com> wrote:
At last Sunday's London Meetup we discussed the situation and while not wanting to seem over cautious (we were of course the dozen who'd decided to attend). We realised that there was a good chance that the April and even May meetings might need to go virtual.
Is there a recommended software solution for video/audio conferencing a dozen to twenty people?
I took part in some not the wikipedia Weekly podcasts almost a decade ago, but i'm assuming the technology has progressed since then. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Not_The_Wikipedia_Weekly
Regards
WSC
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Hi,
I believe it likely is too early to make a decision. We have a
professional
team at the WMF monitoring the situation, but the date is still 5 months
in
the future.
It is reasonable to expect that we may need to make adjustments to the situation as it develops and in 2-3 months it will be much clearer where
we
stand.
For now, I think it is already fair to say that the WMF leadership is not shying away from difficult decisions (the summit cancellation, closing
down
the office, canceling international travel for staff) and clearly prioritizes our safety.
I trust the judgment of our staff when they communicate clearly that they are considering all options and will.make a decision in due time.
Best,
Dj "pundit"
On Tue, Mar 10, 2020, 00:45 Rehman Abubakr rehman.wikimedia@live.com wrote:
I too have cancelled all personal/work/wiki travel plans. The risks are far too great.
A single infection at the conference, depending on who/where, has the potential to cause significant damage to the Movement.
I understand the sheer effort that has already been put, but I strongly hope the Foundation will postpone the conference or cancel this year's conference for the safety of the volunteers, and to prevent the risk of spreading it to more parts of the world.
Yours truly,
Rehmanhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Rehman
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From a personal perspective, I have cancelled all future travel plans
and
have requested that everyone I work with do the same. I am of course in healthcare. Please note that this is not official advise.
James
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On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 9:22 AM Fæ faewik@gmail.com wrote:
Separately I prefer Google hangouts for a very bad internet connection (under 10 mb/s) which is more forgiving than Zoom or Skype as it seems to be better at brown-out conditions. Google hangouts is probably a bit easier for the average volunteer to log in to or get running on their kit, for example installing Zoom on Ubuntu meant setting things up on the command line for me.
In my experience Hangouts/Meet is superior to Zoom technically in pretty much every aspect (saner UI, better A/V quality, less bugs, better handling of poor connections, also it is just a web page while Zoom's web version is not really usable). OTOH Zoom has more facilitation features (such as splitting into subgroups) which might be useful in certain kinds of meetings.
I am a big fan of open source, and setting up a Jitsi conference is a solution that I often default too (with a bonus of having the possibility to have easy placeholders, e.g. meet.jit.si/WikimediaSummit
best,
dj
On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 11:05 AM Yaroslav Blanter ymbalt@gmail.com wrote:
For a setting with a lot of presentations and questions Zoom should work fine
https://zoom.us/?zcid=2314&creative=359453254254&keyword=%2Bzoom%20o...
but of course it would not provide any interaction between participants.
Best Yaroslav
On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 3:59 PM WereSpielChequers < werespielchequers@gmail.com> wrote:
At last Sunday's London Meetup we discussed the situation and while not wanting to seem over cautious (we were of course the dozen who'd decided
to
attend). We realised that there was a good chance that the April and even May meetings might need to go virtual.
Is there a recommended software solution for video/audio conferencing a dozen to twenty people?
I took part in some not the wikipedia Weekly podcasts almost a decade
ago,
but i'm assuming the technology has progressed since then. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Not_The_Wikipedia_Weekly
Regards
WSC
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Hi,
I believe it likely is too early to make a decision. We have a
professional
team at the WMF monitoring the situation, but the date is still 5
months
in
the future.
It is reasonable to expect that we may need to make adjustments to the situation as it develops and in 2-3 months it will be much clearer
where
we
stand.
For now, I think it is already fair to say that the WMF leadership is
not
shying away from difficult decisions (the summit cancellation, closing
down
the office, canceling international travel for staff) and clearly prioritizes our safety.
I trust the judgment of our staff when they communicate clearly that
they
are considering all options and will.make a decision in due time.
Best,
Dj "pundit"
On Tue, Mar 10, 2020, 00:45 Rehman Abubakr rehman.wikimedia@live.com wrote:
I too have cancelled all personal/work/wiki travel plans. The risks
are
far too great.
A single infection at the conference, depending on who/where, has the potential to cause significant damage to the Movement.
I understand the sheer effort that has already been put, but I
strongly
hope the Foundation will postpone the conference or cancel this
year's
conference for the safety of the volunteers, and to prevent the risk
of
spreading it to more parts of the world.
Yours truly,
Rehmanhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Rehman
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From a personal perspective, I have cancelled all future travel plans
and
have requested that everyone I work with do the same. I am of course
in
healthcare. Please note that this is not official advise.
James
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Jitsi is also integrated into Riot (the Matrix client). I was in a group trying it out a couple of weeks ago, and it worked really well. If there are two people in a room, it uses a direct connection, and if there are three or more it uses Jitsi (both inside the Riot interface, so there's no need to set up separate URLs or anything).
On 11/3/20 12:22 am, Dariusz Jemielniak wrote:
I am a big fan of open source, and setting up a Jitsi conference is a solution that I often default too (with a bonus of having the possibility to have easy placeholders, e.g. meet.jit.si/WikimediaSummit
best,
dj
On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 11:05 AM Yaroslav Blanter ymbalt@gmail.com wrote:
For a setting with a lot of presentations and questions Zoom should work fine
https://zoom.us/?zcid=2314&creative=359453254254&keyword=%2Bzoom%20o...
but of course it would not provide any interaction between participants.
Best Yaroslav
On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 3:59 PM WereSpielChequers < werespielchequers@gmail.com> wrote:
At last Sunday's London Meetup we discussed the situation and while not wanting to seem over cautious (we were of course the dozen who'd decided
to
attend). We realised that there was a good chance that the April and even May meetings might need to go virtual.
Is there a recommended software solution for video/audio conferencing a dozen to twenty people?
I took part in some not the wikipedia Weekly podcasts almost a decade
ago,
but i'm assuming the technology has progressed since then. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Not_The_Wikipedia_Weekly
Regards
WSC
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1. Re: 2020 Wikimania Scholarships now open (Dariusz Jemielniak) 2. Re: 2020 Wikimania Scholarships now open (Gnangarra)
Message: 1 Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2020 08:48:48 -0400 From: Dariusz Jemielniak darekj@alk.edu.pl To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] 2020 Wikimania Scholarships now open Message-ID: < CADeSpGUUq96JZAYLkAjfiPV-isFMQVCUL8nHm+ScBjxagfdCBg@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Hi,
I believe it likely is too early to make a decision. We have a
professional
team at the WMF monitoring the situation, but the date is still 5
months
in
the future.
It is reasonable to expect that we may need to make adjustments to the situation as it develops and in 2-3 months it will be much clearer
where
we
stand.
For now, I think it is already fair to say that the WMF leadership is
not
shying away from difficult decisions (the summit cancellation, closing
down
the office, canceling international travel for staff) and clearly prioritizes our safety.
I trust the judgment of our staff when they communicate clearly that
they
are considering all options and will.make a decision in due time.
Best,
Dj "pundit"
On Tue, Mar 10, 2020, 00:45 Rehman Abubakr rehman.wikimedia@live.com wrote:
I too have cancelled all personal/work/wiki travel plans. The risks
are
far too great.
A single infection at the conference, depending on who/where, has the potential to cause significant damage to the Movement.
I understand the sheer effort that has already been put, but I
strongly
hope the Foundation will postpone the conference or cancel this
year's
conference for the safety of the volunteers, and to prevent the risk
of
spreading it to more parts of the world.
Yours truly,
Rehmanhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Rehman
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James Heilman jmh649@gmail.com Sent: 09 March 2020 22:51 To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] 2020 Wikimania Scholarships now open
From a personal perspective, I have cancelled all future travel plans
and
have requested that everyone I work with do the same. I am of course
in
healthcare. Please note that this is not official advise.
James
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Dariusz Jemielniak, Ph.D., Full Professor, head of MINDS https://nerds.kozminski.edu.pl/
(Management in Networked and Digital Societies), Kozminski University
Polish Academy of Sciences corresponding member
associate faculty Berkman-Klein Center for Internet and Society https://cyber.harvard.edu/, Harvard University *Key books*: Collaborative Society https://mitpress.mit.edu/books/collaborative-society (2020, MIT Press, with A. Przegalinska), Thick Big Data https://global.oup.com/academic/product/thick-big-data-9780198839705?cc=gb&lang=en (2020, Oxford University Press), Common Knowledge? https://www.sup.org/books/title/?id=24010 (2014, Stanford University Press) *Recent articles:*
Jemielniak D. (2019) Wikipedia: Why is the common knowledge resource still neglected by academics? https://academic.oup.com/gigascience/article/8/12/giz139/5651107, Gigascience 8(12): giz139
Hergueux, J. & Jemielniak, D. (2019) Should digital files be considered a commons? Copyright infringement in the eyes of lawyers https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/01972243.2019.1616019?fbclid=IwAR1Wskn7Bwnhko05SS-frOc6TiAuxPzPSWGo5_50Xu6NiNdxnDfxeleF-PM, The Information Society, 35(4): 198-215
Jemielniak, D.,Masukume, G. & Wilamowski, M. (2019) The Most Influential Medical Journals According to Wikipedia: Quantitative Analysis https://www.jmir.org/2019/1/e11429/pdf, Journal of Medical Internet Research, 21(1):E11429
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My only hangup with jitsi is the design choice (that zoom used to have) to drop new attendees with mic and camera default to open as the default. I know it is now possible to change this on a per meeting level, but the fact that sometimes it isn't me setting up the meeting made me go with Google meet for the time being. This was in the context of the User Group Wiki Movement Brazil (WMB) periodical meetings.
Google gave us, WMB, a free non-profit subscription to all of gsuite and it allows us meetings of up to 25 people. Last I checked the free tier without the non-profit program is up to 10 people per meeting.
Jitsi is superior to zoom in my view, not only the open source aspect is important but zoom does not have a browser based solution that I'm aware of. And a few months ago there was a serious vulnerability disclosed for the zoom local client that kept its foothold even *after* the user chose to uninstall the zoom client.
For now my recommendations are meet, better than jitsi, better than zoom.
Best regards,
Chico Venancio
Em ter, 10 de mar de 2020 22:53, Sam Wilson sam@samwilson.id.au escreveu:
Jitsi is also integrated into Riot (the Matrix client). I was in a group trying it out a couple of weeks ago, and it worked really well. If there are two people in a room, it uses a direct connection, and if there are three or more it uses Jitsi (both inside the Riot interface, so there's no need to set up separate URLs or anything).
On 11/3/20 12:22 am, Dariusz Jemielniak wrote:
I am a big fan of open source, and setting up a Jitsi conference is a solution that I often default too (with a bonus of having the possibility to have easy placeholders, e.g. meet.jit.si/WikimediaSummit
best,
dj
On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 11:05 AM Yaroslav Blanter ymbalt@gmail.com
wrote:
For a setting with a lot of presentations and questions Zoom should work fine
https://zoom.us/?zcid=2314&creative=359453254254&keyword=%2Bzoom%20o...
but of course it would not provide any interaction between participants.
Best Yaroslav
On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 3:59 PM WereSpielChequers < werespielchequers@gmail.com> wrote:
At last Sunday's London Meetup we discussed the situation and while not wanting to seem over cautious (we were of course the dozen who'd
decided
to
attend). We realised that there was a good chance that the April and
even
May meetings might need to go virtual.
Is there a recommended software solution for video/audio conferencing a dozen to twenty people?
I took part in some not the wikipedia Weekly podcasts almost a decade
ago,
but i'm assuming the technology has progressed since then. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Not_The_Wikipedia_Weekly
Regards
WSC
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: 2020 Wikimania Scholarships now open (Dariusz Jemielniak) 2. Re: 2020 Wikimania Scholarships now open (Gnangarra)
Message: 1 Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2020 08:48:48 -0400 From: Dariusz Jemielniak darekj@alk.edu.pl To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] 2020 Wikimania Scholarships now open Message-ID: < CADeSpGUUq96JZAYLkAjfiPV-isFMQVCUL8nHm+ScBjxagfdCBg@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Hi,
I believe it likely is too early to make a decision. We have a
professional
team at the WMF monitoring the situation, but the date is still 5
months
in
the future.
It is reasonable to expect that we may need to make adjustments to the situation as it develops and in 2-3 months it will be much clearer
where
we
stand.
For now, I think it is already fair to say that the WMF leadership is
not
shying away from difficult decisions (the summit cancellation, closing
down
the office, canceling international travel for staff) and clearly prioritizes our safety.
I trust the judgment of our staff when they communicate clearly that
they
are considering all options and will.make a decision in due time.
Best,
Dj "pundit"
On Tue, Mar 10, 2020, 00:45 Rehman Abubakr <rehman.wikimedia@live.com
wrote:
I too have cancelled all personal/work/wiki travel plans. The risks
are
far too great.
A single infection at the conference, depending on who/where, has the potential to cause significant damage to the Movement.
I understand the sheer effort that has already been put, but I
strongly
hope the Foundation will postpone the conference or cancel this
year's
conference for the safety of the volunteers, and to prevent the risk
of
spreading it to more parts of the world.
Yours truly,
Rehmanhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Rehman
From: Wikimedia-l wikimedia-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org on
behalf
of
James Heilman jmh649@gmail.com Sent: 09 March 2020 22:51 To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] 2020 Wikimania Scholarships now open
From a personal perspective, I have cancelled all future travel
plans
and
have requested that everyone I work with do the same. I am of course
in
healthcare. Please note that this is not official advise.
James
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toni91ehrlich@gmail.com
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Dariusz Jemielniak, Ph.D., Full Professor, head of MINDS https://nerds.kozminski.edu.pl/
(Management in Networked and Digital Societies), Kozminski University
Polish Academy of Sciences corresponding member
associate faculty Berkman-Klein Center for Internet and Society https://cyber.harvard.edu/, Harvard University *Key books*: Collaborative Society https://mitpress.mit.edu/books/collaborative-society (2020, MIT
Press,
with A. Przegalinska), Thick Big Data <
https://global.oup.com/academic/product/thick-big-data-9780198839705?cc=gb&a...
(2020, Oxford University Press), Common Knowledge? https://www.sup.org/books/title/?id=24010 (2014, Stanford University Press) *Recent articles:*
Jemielniak D. (2019) Wikipedia: Why is the common knowledge resource still neglected by academics? https://academic.oup.com/gigascience/article/8/12/giz139/5651107, Gigascience 8(12): giz139
Hergueux, J. & Jemielniak, D. (2019) Should digital files be considered
a
commons? Copyright infringement in the eyes of lawyers <
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/01972243.2019.1616019?fbclid=Iw...
,
The Information Society, 35(4): 198-215
Jemielniak, D.,Masukume, G. & Wilamowski, M. (2019) The Most
Influential
Medical Journals According to Wikipedia: Quantitative Analysis https://www.jmir.org/2019/1/e11429/pdf, Journal of Medical Internet Research, 21(1):E11429
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Regardless of what platforms people might want to use for virtual meetings, it is my personal opinion that all movement organizations, groups (formal and informal) and the WMF itself immediately stop meeting in person. For the movement entities that have offices, work-from-home should be the standard (as it has been for the WMF for almost a week). Edit-a-thons and similar meet-ups should be cancelled for the foreseeable future. The broad movement has spent a lot of time talking about the safety and security of its communities, and this level of social distancing at this time is probably the best way to demonstrate that we really mean what we say. #CancelEverything is not just a cute hashtag - it's really serious, and our movement can be leaders in showing how it is done.
I'm speaking from my own experience (having worked in a hospital with SARS patients and having participated in the development of pandemic plans for hospitals), so perhaps my perspective is different from other people's. But given there's very little downside to this proposal, there's no reason not to take these steps, at least for a few months while the world has a better sense of how this will all play out.
Risker/Anne
Dear Risker,
Many thanks for sharing - I know you're a professional in the field. This is pretty much what we're doing as the WMF, and the affiliates surely can follow suit.
All universities I'm currently affiliated with (Harvard, MIT, Kozminski) cancelled all classes and move to virtual meetings only, too.
Best,
DJ "pundit"
On Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 00:54 Risker risker.wp@gmail.com wrote:
Regardless of what platforms people might want to use for virtual meetings, it is my personal opinion that all movement organizations, groups (formal and informal) and the WMF itself immediately stop meeting in person. For the movement entities that have offices, work-from-home should be the standard (as it has been for the WMF for almost a week). Edit-a-thons and similar meet-ups should be cancelled for the foreseeable future. The broad movement has spent a lot of time talking about the safety and security of its communities, and this level of social distancing at this time is probably the best way to demonstrate that we really mean what we say. #CancelEverything is not just a cute hashtag - it's really serious, and our movement can be leaders in showing how it is done.
I'm speaking from my own experience (having worked in a hospital with SARS patients and having participated in the development of pandemic plans for hospitals), so perhaps my perspective is different from other people's. But given there's very little downside to this proposal, there's no reason not to take these steps, at least for a few months while the world has a better sense of how this will all play out.
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The Irish government have closed all schools, childcare facilities, colleges, universities and other public institutions until 29 March. The current advice is not to have any gatherings of 100 people, but everyone I had planned events with for the next month has decided to cancel/postpone even at a much smaller scale.
On Thu, 12 Mar 2020 at 10:55, Dariusz Jemielniak darekj@alk.edu.pl wrote:
Dear Risker,
Many thanks for sharing - I know you're a professional in the field. This is pretty much what we're doing as the WMF, and the affiliates surely can follow suit.
All universities I'm currently affiliated with (Harvard, MIT, Kozminski) cancelled all classes and move to virtual meetings only, too.
Best,
DJ "pundit"
On Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 00:54 Risker risker.wp@gmail.com wrote:
Regardless of what platforms people might want to use for virtual
meetings,
it is my personal opinion that all movement organizations, groups (formal and informal) and the WMF itself immediately stop meeting in person. For the movement entities that have offices, work-from-home should be the standard (as it has been for the WMF for almost a week). Edit-a-thons
and
similar meet-ups should be cancelled for the foreseeable future. The
broad
movement has spent a lot of time talking about the safety and security of its communities, and this level of social distancing at this time is probably the best way to demonstrate that we really mean what we say. #CancelEverything is not just a cute hashtag - it's really serious, and
our
movement can be leaders in showing how it is done.
I'm speaking from my own experience (having worked in a hospital with
SARS
patients and having participated in the development of pandemic plans for hospitals), so perhaps my perspective is different from other people's.
But
given there's very little downside to this proposal, there's no reason
not
to take these steps, at least for a few months while the world has a
better
sense of how this will all play out.
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Agree 100% with Risker. Now is not the time to be taking risk. I would be much happier if a year from now we looked back and said we overreacted than if we looked back to realize we did not react enough.
James
On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 8:27 AM Rebecca O'Neill rebeccanineil@gmail.com wrote:
The Irish government have closed all schools, childcare facilities, colleges, universities and other public institutions until 29 March. The current advice is not to have any gatherings of 100 people, but everyone I had planned events with for the next month has decided to cancel/postpone even at a much smaller scale.
On Thu, 12 Mar 2020 at 10:55, Dariusz Jemielniak darekj@alk.edu.pl wrote:
Dear Risker,
Many thanks for sharing - I know you're a professional in the field. This is pretty much what we're doing as the WMF, and the affiliates surely can follow suit.
All universities I'm currently affiliated with (Harvard, MIT, Kozminski) cancelled all classes and move to virtual meetings only, too.
Best,
DJ "pundit"
On Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 00:54 Risker risker.wp@gmail.com wrote:
Regardless of what platforms people might want to use for virtual
meetings,
it is my personal opinion that all movement organizations, groups
(formal
and informal) and the WMF itself immediately stop meeting in person.
For
the movement entities that have offices, work-from-home should be the standard (as it has been for the WMF for almost a week). Edit-a-thons
and
similar meet-ups should be cancelled for the foreseeable future. The
broad
movement has spent a lot of time talking about the safety and security
of
its communities, and this level of social distancing at this time is probably the best way to demonstrate that we really mean what we say. #CancelEverything is not just a cute hashtag - it's really serious, and
our
movement can be leaders in showing how it is done.
I'm speaking from my own experience (having worked in a hospital with
SARS
patients and having participated in the development of pandemic plans
for
hospitals), so perhaps my perspective is different from other people's.
But
given there's very little downside to this proposal, there's no reason
not
to take these steps, at least for a few months while the world has a
better
sense of how this will all play out.
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For what it’s worth, Wikimedia Germany is in full work-from-home mode starting next Monday, and a lot of many employees have already gradually started working from home over the past days (apart from those who work remotely anyways, of course). Announcement (in German): https://blog.wikimedia.de/2020/03/12/information-anlaesslich-covid-19-gescha...
Best wishes, Lucas
On 12.03.20 19:33, James Heilman wrote:
Agree 100% with Risker. Now is not the time to be taking risk. I would be much happier if a year from now we looked back and said we overreacted than if we looked back to realize we did not react enough.
James
On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 8:27 AM Rebecca O'Neill rebeccanineil@gmail.com wrote:
The Irish government have closed all schools, childcare facilities, colleges, universities and other public institutions until 29 March. The current advice is not to have any gatherings of 100 people, but everyone I had planned events with for the next month has decided to cancel/postpone even at a much smaller scale.
On Thu, 12 Mar 2020 at 10:55, Dariusz Jemielniak darekj@alk.edu.pl wrote:
Dear Risker,
Many thanks for sharing - I know you're a professional in the field. This is pretty much what we're doing as the WMF, and the affiliates surely can follow suit.
All universities I'm currently affiliated with (Harvard, MIT, Kozminski) cancelled all classes and move to virtual meetings only, too.
Best,
DJ "pundit"
On Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 00:54 Risker risker.wp@gmail.com wrote:
Regardless of what platforms people might want to use for virtual
meetings,
it is my personal opinion that all movement organizations, groups
(formal
and informal) and the WMF itself immediately stop meeting in person.
For
the movement entities that have offices, work-from-home should be the standard (as it has been for the WMF for almost a week). Edit-a-thons
and
similar meet-ups should be cancelled for the foreseeable future. The
broad
movement has spent a lot of time talking about the safety and security
of
its communities, and this level of social distancing at this time is probably the best way to demonstrate that we really mean what we say. #CancelEverything is not just a cute hashtag - it's really serious, and
our
movement can be leaders in showing how it is done.
I'm speaking from my own experience (having worked in a hospital with
SARS
patients and having participated in the development of pandemic plans
for
hospitals), so perhaps my perspective is different from other people's.
But
given there's very little downside to this proposal, there's no reason
not
to take these steps, at least for a few months while the world has a
better
sense of how this will all play out.
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