(Last message accidentally sent prematurely---sorry. Continued:)
Is s/he just blowing smoke, or is this a serious issue? What is the relationship between the policy of each Wikipedia and the policies of the Foundation in general?
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1
well, here's my question then, if you don't want to block proxies, then what is your suggestion to take care of the massive ammount of spam? wikipedia isn't ment to be an opinion based site for people to express their views, it's meant to be an encyclopedia, stating only the facts, so why would people need to be anonymous when editing or adding new articles, unless trolling?
On another point, for blocking proxies, it may be nice to somehow take advantage of the abusive host blocking list (ahbl.org, hosted by sosdg.org). I believe that's the one for blocking proxies, etc. or there may be another one on that site. I personally believe that proxies shouldn't be used for going to wikipedia as you can hide your IP by creating an account.
Kyle
Charles Podles wrote: | (Last message accidentally sent prematurely---sorry. Continued:) | | Is s/he just blowing smoke, or is this a serious issue? What is the | relationship between the policy of each Wikipedia and the policies of | the Foundation in general? | _______________________________________________ | foundation-l mailing list | foundation-l@wikimedia.org | http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l |
kylelutze wrote:
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1
well, here's my question then, if you don't want to block proxies, then what is your suggestion to take care of the massive ammount of spam? wikipedia isn't ment to be an opinion based site for people to express their views, it's meant to be an encyclopedia, stating only the facts, so why would people need to be anonymous when editing or adding new articles, unless trolling?
On another point, for blocking proxies, it may be nice to somehow take advantage of the abusive host blocking list (ahbl.org, hosted by sosdg.org). I believe that's the one for blocking proxies, etc. or there may be another one on that site. I personally believe that proxies shouldn't be used for going to wikipedia as you can hide your IP by creating an account.
Kyle
Well if you propose blocking these you propose blocking ME and a couple of hundred thousand Thai's who are with True / Asia internet as the provider forces us to use open proxies. I am one of the most active editors on nl.wikipedia. So they will be glad to hear you think that. For your info I cannot change internet ISP. I wonder how many other people this is the case for!
Walter van Kalken (Waerth)
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1
sorry, I didn't know that was the situation for people there, in that case I think we need to come up with a better alternative solution, what, I don't know yet
Walter van Kalken wrote: | kylelutze wrote: | |> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- |> Hash: SHA1 |> |> |> well, here's my question then, if you don't want to block proxies, then |> what is your suggestion to take care of the massive ammount of spam? |> wikipedia isn't ment to be an opinion based site for people to express |> their views, it's meant to be an encyclopedia, stating only the facts, |> so why would people need to be anonymous when editing or adding new |> articles, unless trolling? |> |> On another point, for blocking proxies, it may be nice to somehow take |> advantage of the abusive host blocking list (ahbl.org, hosted by |> sosdg.org). I believe that's the one for blocking proxies, etc. or there |> may be another one on that site. I personally believe that proxies |> shouldn't be used for going to wikipedia as you can hide your IP by |> creating an account. |> |> Kyle |> | Well if you propose blocking these you propose blocking ME and a couple | of hundred thousand Thai's who are with True / Asia internet as the | provider forces us to use open proxies. I am one of the most active | editors on nl.wikipedia. So they will be glad to hear you think that. | For your info I cannot change internet ISP. I wonder how many other | people this is the case for! | | Walter van Kalken (Waerth) | _______________________________________________ | foundation-l mailing list | foundation-l@wikimedia.org | http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l |
kylelutze wrote:
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1
sorry, I didn't know that was the situation for people there, in that case I think we need to come up with a better alternative solution, what, I don't know yet
You don't have to .... after the IRC conversation just now ,,, I think quitting wikipedia is better. I cannot believe people think everywhere is the same as in the merry States or Europe. I have to spend HALF AN HOUR of my fucking day whining just so I can make some small edits???????????
Walter/Waerth
It took some but for today I am unblocked do not know for how long though :(
I placed this on Japanese wikipedia today
Walter van Kalken
My name is Waerth, or in real life Walter. I am a Dutch person living in Thailand. I am active on the nl:, en:, af: and th: wikimedia projects. In the last two months everytime I try to do something here I am blocked ... at least my ip address is blocked not my username.
Now I heard japanese wikipedia has a blocking policy for open proxies. I understand they give problems. But I also know some people are forced by their ISP's to use them. Like myself. My ISP uses it and I have no choice. I cannot break contract because it would cost me 6000 Thai baht. And my provider gives a good service, I get a discount of 20% on my mobile and home telephone because I use them and they are one company. This provider ... Asianet is used by more than 300.000 people in Thailand.
Many Thai people are genuinely interested in Japan and learning Japanese. Also there are many Japanese in Thailand. Some of which will use Asianet as well! By blocking open proxies you are shutting out millions of people of enjoying the Japanese wikipedia. And you are directly violating one of the wikimedia projects goals,,.. to be accessable to everybody. I can complain about this policy because I know how wikipedia works. Many people can not complain because they do not know how to do that. So they go away frustrated and you loose potential contributors.
How do I think you can solve this? On dutch nl: I am a sysop and a proponent of hard blocking policies. If somebody vandalizes they get blocked for 24 hours, period. I heard there are problems on Japanese wikipedia with getting sysops and there is a shortage of hands so that is why Japanese as the only wikipedia decided to block open proxies. So you need to get more sysops.
Being a sysop doesn't mean much. You just help to keep wikipedia clean. It is not about power!! All you get is some extra buttons to revert vandalism, secure a page and block a vandal. I want to urge on all active users to ask for sysop status to solve this problem! You see if everybody is a sysop, there are no problems with power! because everybody is the same .... a sysop. And everybody can spend 10 minutes a week on cleaning. It is not much extra work really. And than it is easy to unblock the open proxies. Because you have a big group of sysops to stop the vandals! And welcome the people that couldn't use Japanese wikipedia before now.
Well it was nice for the 2 or 3 hours I was able to do something. I am blocked yet again op Japanese wikipedia.
Waerth/Walter van Kalken
Does anyone have to say anything about this? Or should I just start to collect Japanese IP-addresses to block them on nl: to get a reaction?
Andre Engels
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 22:35:02 +0700, Walter van Kalken walter@vankalken.net wrote:
Well it was nice for the 2 or 3 hours I was able to do something. I am blocked yet again op Japanese wikipedia.
Waerth/Walter van Kalken
Andre Engels (andreengels@gmail.com) [050216 01:33]:
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 22:35:02 +0700, Walter van Kalken walter@vankalken.net wrote:
Well it was nice for the 2 or 3 hours I was able to do something. I am blocked yet again op Japanese wikipedia.
Does anyone have to say anything about this? Or should I just start to collect Japanese IP-addresses to block them on nl: to get a reaction?
If the ISP in question really is running an open proxy server, then Walter needs to bring it to their attention that this is leaving an abuse-machine wide open, just as if it were an open email relay being used by spammers.
- d.
David Gerard wrote:
Andre Engels (andreengels@gmail.com) [050216 01:33]:
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 22:35:02 +0700, Walter van Kalken walter@vankalken.net wrote:
Well it was nice for the 2 or 3 hours I was able to do something. I am blocked yet again op Japanese wikipedia.
Does anyone have to say anything about this? Or should I just start to collect Japanese IP-addresses to block them on nl: to get a reaction?
If the ISP in question really is running an open proxy server, then Walter needs to bring it to their attention that this is leaving an abuse-machine wide open, just as if it were an open email relay being used by spammers.
This is not my responsibility. Wikipedia is an open project and it should be open for anyone.
Waerth/Walter
Walter van Kalken (walter@vankalken.net) [050216 02:09]:
David Gerard wrote:
If the ISP in question really is running an open proxy server, then Walter needs to bring it to their attention that this is leaving an abuse-machine wide open, just as if it were an open email relay being used by spammers.
This is not my responsibility. Wikipedia is an open project and it should be open for anyone.
Unfortunately, open proxies in this manner constitute a public problem on the Internet. Wikipedia blocks them on sight because they are primarily used for abuse.
If you HAVE to use that proxy if you want to use that ISP, at this stage it's up to you to get them to run their systems competently.
- d.
Unfortunately, open proxies in this manner constitute a public problem on the Internet. Wikipedia blocks them on sight because they are primarily used for abuse.
If you HAVE to use that proxy if you want to use that ISP, at this stage it's up to you to get them to run their systems competently.
If they constituted a problem on all wikipedia's they were blocked on all wiki's it is clear you do not know the situation in other countries. The provider will laugh. If I cancel my contract I have to pay 150 dollars and loose my 20% discount on my telephone lines. I do not have this kind of money. This is food for 3 weeks for me!!! Japanese wikipedia should not block them. I am not a vandal. I wrote over 500 articles on nl. I started nl.wikinews partly. I contributed articles in other languages and you give me this bull??????
Walter van Kalken
Walter van Kalken (walter@vankalken.net) [050216 03:03]:
Unfortunately, open proxies in this manner constitute a public problem on the Internet. Wikipedia blocks them on sight because they are primarily used for abuse. If you HAVE to use that proxy if you want to use that ISP, at this stage it's up to you to get them to run their systems competently.
If they constituted a problem on all wikipedia's they were blocked on all wiki's it is clear you do not know the situation in other countries.
They're permanently blocked on first abuse on en:, so I'm not surprised that ja: treats them similarly.
The provider will laugh. If I cancel my contract I have to pay 150 dollars and loose my 20% discount on my telephone lines. I do not have this kind of money. This is food for 3 weeks for me!!!
Unfortunately, this looks more like a bad purchase on your part than a reason to open Wikipedia to abuse.
Japanese wikipedia should not block them. I am not a vandal. I wrote over 500 articles on nl. I started nl.wikinews partly. I contributed articles in other languages and you give me this bull??????
If the proxy was unbanned but then banned again, it strikes me that it was more likely done because of abuse by others than as any sort of personal attack on you, which is what you appear to be treating it as.
It still seems truly weird that they would run their proxy server as an open public sewer, but force you to use it. Have you even asked them about this? It's more likely to be an effective move in resolving the problem.
- d.
Ypu really are an ignorant DICKHEAD aren't you??
Thanks for making me see that you really do not give a fuck and do not understand the situation in other countries than your own! It is better for me to quit wikipedia and you are to blame.
Waerth
Walter van Kalken wrote:
[a reply in anger]
As I've been saying to Waerth on IRC - David was really trying to give advice here and not to offend. I've been hearing about this situation for a while now, and understand Waerth's deep frustration and anger. But it's new and rather peculiar sounding to most here I think.
This situation with his provider is quite different from the one most people will have - but perhaps can be compared with a random user trying to persuade AOL to change its whole system because the user can't access a site they want to see. His provider simply isn't going to listen - however much sense he makes with reasons that proxies are a Bad Thing. And, as Waerth has said, he has no option of changing provider.
Waerth has had to put up with regular blocks for a long time through no fault of his own. I think any of us wiki-addicts would be as upset at this.
I don't know what the solution is, except for ja. being asked to change their policy here. I don't see why the blocking system cannot be told to ignore this particular set (although I don't know the technicalities of course). Note that these blocks are *not* in response to vandalism - proxies are blocked automatically even if no bad edits have come from that address. Waerth is an excellent contributor, active in foundation issues as well as local issues, it's a real shame to see him distressed by this problem.
--sannse
sannse (sannse@tiscali.co.uk) [050216 04:13]:
I don't know what the solution is, except for ja. being asked to change their policy here. I don't see why the blocking system cannot be told to ignore this particular set (although I don't know the technicalities of course). Note that these blocks are *not* in response to vandalism - proxies are blocked automatically even if no bad edits have come from that address.
Ah, that bit I didn't know about. I understand en: used to do this but stopped when proxy owners complained.
Waerth is an excellent contributor, active in foundation issues as well as local issues, it's a real shame to see him distressed by this problem.
He also left an abusive note on my en: talk page. Apparently he considers me personally responsible for the policy on ja:. I'm not inclined to attempt rational explanation with the abusive.
- d.
On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 07:51:46 +1100, David Gerard fun@thingy.apana.org.au wrote:
sannse (sannse@tiscali.co.uk) [050216 04:13]:
Waerth is an excellent contributor, active in foundation issues as well as local issues, it's a real shame to see him distressed by this problem.
He also left an abusive note on my en: talk page. Apparently he considers me personally responsible for the policy on ja:. I'm not inclined to attempt rational explanation with the abusive.
He got blocked. He complained. He got unblocked and got blocked again. He complained again. He got unblocked again. He got blocked again. He complained at this list. No reaction. He complained and got unblocked and got blocked and complained and got unblocked and complained and....
And then you come and you tell him it's all his own fault for not having told some big corporation that they did wrong. I have become abusive over less than that.
Andre Engels
Hi, all,
I am sorry Waerth has been frustrated specially his continuously blocking on Japanese Wikipedia.
And it is a shame Japanese Wikipedia community hasn't react his complaint rapidly. Some reactions were occured; his message in English was translated into Japanese soon after, I responded him as a current Embassy member of Japanese projects, though I am now quitting my activities on Japanese Wikipedia because of sexual harassment (not within the site but in a forum where many bad people enjoy malicious gosshiping. Even sysops participants are this gossiping, criticize and personal attack which will be archived - but it is a bit digression in this thread). And some Wikipedians came to #wikimedia presumably for discussing this matter with Waerth and others. Those reactions were very clumsy and awkward but I hope it is the beginning of improvement, not their last attempt.
But I have to point out Japanese Wikipedia lack administrative issues in general. I assume no one will join the discussion on this matter except some users. We can't change their attitude instantly. So I ask Walter to be patient as much as possible for him. A dormant project like Japanese Wikipedia can't react to things if they are so of urgent and importance.
I am sorry bad atmosphere on this thread. Honestly I am still thinking it would be better for Walter to mail his complaint to his ISP, even if it is clear for him they will ignore him. I think still it is better and necessary for us. Then after he can complaint to Ja policy again. He said it would be useless, but I think, if he once tries and be ignored, we would have different impression and reaction.
And at last, I am very sorry none of the member of this list and Japanese Wikipedia has replied Waerth neither in the list nor on the Wikipedia.
Could we perhaps come up with some temporary work-arounds for Waerth until something more can be done?
For instance, would one of the anonymizer services help? If he went through one of those, would he still show up as a open proxy? Are anonymized IP's accepted if there is no vandalism?
Also, don't we allow signed-in users access even from a banned IP? Couldn't something like this be implemented?
Finally, perhaps a letter from the Wikimedia Foundation to the open proxy provider would carry more weight than one from a single user.
Rich Holton (en.wikipedia:User:Rholton)
__________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail
Rich Holton (rich_holton@yahoo.com) [050216 13:27]:
Also, don't we allow signed-in users access even from a banned IP? Couldn't something like this be implemented?
MediaWiki bug 550. It appears to be a generally supported idea, so probably the best move now is for someone to write the code!
- d.
In any cases Aphaia, thanks a lot for your trying to help and being a confort for Waerth. It is great you can help communication with japanese editors. Especially after your recent problems over there. Ja is a quite faraway community and it is very hard for any of us to understand how things are going on there and how we could discuss all this with editors. Do you have suggestions ?
Ant
Aphaia a écrit:
Hi, all,
I am sorry Waerth has been frustrated specially his continuously blocking on Japanese Wikipedia.
And it is a shame Japanese Wikipedia community hasn't react his complaint rapidly. Some reactions were occured; his message in English was translated into Japanese soon after, I responded him as a current Embassy member of Japanese projects, though I am now quitting my activities on Japanese Wikipedia because of sexual harassment (not within the site but in a forum where many bad people enjoy malicious gosshiping. Even sysops participants are this gossiping, criticize and personal attack which will be archived - but it is a bit digression in this thread). And some Wikipedians came to #wikimedia presumably for discussing this matter with Waerth and others. Those reactions were very clumsy and awkward but I hope it is the beginning of improvement, not their last attempt.
But I have to point out Japanese Wikipedia lack administrative issues in general. I assume no one will join the discussion on this matter except some users. We can't change their attitude instantly. So I ask Walter to be patient as much as possible for him. A dormant project like Japanese Wikipedia can't react to things if they are so of urgent and importance.
I am sorry bad atmosphere on this thread. Honestly I am still thinking it would be better for Walter to mail his complaint to his ISP, even if it is clear for him they will ignore him. I think still it is better and necessary for us. Then after he can complaint to Ja policy again. He said it would be useless, but I think, if he once tries and be ignored, we would have different impression and reaction.
And at last, I am very sorry none of the member of this list and Japanese Wikipedia has replied Waerth neither in the list nor on the Wikipedia.
Aphaia:
But I have to point out Japanese Wikipedia lack administrative issues in general. I assume no one will join the discussion on this matter except some users. We can't change their attitude instantly. So I ask Walter to be patient as much as possible for him. A dormant project like Japanese Wikipedia can't react to things if they are so of urgent and importance.
I think you made a bad choice of words there. I would not want to call such a succesful project as the Japanese wp (according to the statistics having over 100 major contributors and 4000 edits a day) 'dormant' in any way. Still, I do understand that there is a problem here, and I hope you can solve it. It might be a kind of self-fulfilling prophecy too - if you have only a few administrators, they will be considered important and have a lot of work. If you have more of them, that will be much less the case.
Andre Engels
David Gerard wrote:
He also left an abusive note on my en: talk page. Apparently he considers me personally responsible for the policy on ja:. I'm not inclined to attempt rational explanation with the abusive.
I'll vouch for both Waerth and David here. Good people, both of them among my favorites in wikipedia.
Waerth was just really frustrated, and David just responded to that.
I doubt very much if either of them will be mad for long. :-)
Walter van Kalken wrote:
and do not understand the situation in other countries than your own!
Perhaps the problem is that you haven't effectively explained why the suggestions you've been given aren't useful. There are two components to understanding: one is being receptive to the information, and the other is presenting it in an understandable manner. Consider whether you've presented it in an understandable manner before blaming others. Another listmember (sannse) has done an admirable job of presenting your concerns, I think, and that example is worth noting.
It is better for me to quit wikipedia and you are to blame.
I disagree with that, even though you weren't talking to me. Keep in mind that you can get more done by being nice than by offending the very people you're asking for help.
-- Chad
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:23:41 -0500, Chad Perrin perrin@apotheon.com wrote:
Perhaps the problem is that you haven't effectively explained why the suggestions you've been given aren't useful.
As if that wasn't clear from the onset. It was to me. Basically, he was being told, "Change the policy of some big firm you are a little customer to, because Wikipedia isn't going to change its policy."
It is better for me to quit wikipedia and you are to blame.
I disagree with that, even though you weren't talking to me. Keep in mind that you can get more done by being nice than by offending the very people you're asking for help.
Maybe being nice is also better than offending the very people you are supposed to be helping. I found David's posts at least as offending as Waerth's reaction to them.
Andre Engels
Andre Engels (andreengels@gmail.com) [050216 04:55]:
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:23:41 -0500, Chad Perrin perrin@apotheon.com wrote:
Perhaps the problem is that you haven't effectively explained why the suggestions you've been given aren't useful.
As if that wasn't clear from the onset. It was to me. Basically, he was being told, "Change the policy of some big firm you are a little customer to, because Wikipedia isn't going to change its policy."
I have seen no sign from him that he has even attempted this.
It is better for me to quit wikipedia and you are to blame.
I disagree with that, even though you weren't talking to me. Keep in mind that you can get more done by being nice than by offending the very people you're asking for help.
Maybe being nice is also better than offending the very people you are supposed to be helping. I found David's posts at least as offending as Waerth's reaction to them.
I was attempting to explain why it was probably happening, and why open proxies are often open sewers. I'm sorry you find that so offensive. Perhaps you could explain in more detail, off-list if appropriate.
- d.
For now I want to apologize to David Gerard. I am under a lot of stress. And since I felt that I had given the reason for me not to contact my provider nor to change it. Plus external reasons nothing to do with wikipedia I just blew up. I had no right to address him with the words I did. I am sorry for making an ass out of myself.
I still stay with the words that in Thailand thinks work totally different from the west (I would say most of this part of Asia). Basicaly if you life over here and want to survive like I am doing forget about everything you learned in the west and start over. There is no such thing as consumerrights here and this really is the best deal. I pay 1.350 baht a month for a 2.5 mbps/256 kbps unlimited connection. A friend of mine pays 2.099 baht for a 256/128 kbps 100 hrs a month connection. I also get a 20% duscount on both my mobile and housephonebills as they are the same company, Thailands second biggest phone company (formerly Telecom Asia now True). The only bad thing about the deal is I cannot break contract in the first 2 years (and they do not rise the price) because then I have to pay 6000 baht. For comparison 6.000 baht is almost what I spend in a month on food. For me that is a lot of money, as I am earning Thai wages, not Western expatriate wages.
With kind regards,
Walter van Kalken
Walter van Kalken (walter@vankalken.net) [050217 08:48]:
For now I want to apologize to David Gerard. I am under a lot of stress. And since I felt that I had given the reason for me not to contact my provider nor to change it. Plus external reasons nothing to do with wikipedia I just blew up. I had no right to address him with the words I did. I am sorry for making an ass out of myself.
No prob. Sorry for being so terse.
- d.
David Gerard a écrit:
Walter van Kalken (walter@vankalken.net) [050216 02:09]:
David Gerard wrote:
If the ISP in question really is running an open proxy server, then Walter needs to bring it to their attention that this is leaving an abuse-machine wide open, just as if it were an open email relay being used by spammers.
This is not my responsibility. Wikipedia is an open project and it should be open for anyone.
Unfortunately, open proxies in this manner constitute a public problem on the Internet. Wikipedia blocks them on sight because they are primarily used for abuse.
If you HAVE to use that proxy if you want to use that ISP, at this stage it's up to you to get them to run their systems competently.
- d.
Excuse me ?
I do not think such comments are very helpful.
We know the power of users of internet lines in front of their isps, it is non existent, we should not expect Waerth to be able to fix this anytime soon.
On the other hand, WE, as an international project, insist on being open to everyone editing. If we claim to be open, we need to just be, regardless of the inconveniences.
In 4 years, we have shown that security could be ensured by a good community, in a much more efficient and positive way that any barrier. Giving up using community strength to fight vandals and replacing it by physical barriers, is somehow just giving up the concept which made our success. Till now, we have used human strength. And it works. Why should Ja fail to go on using human strength ?
I do not think japanese editors should block ips preemptively, to protect themselves, just in case there might be some abuse, and consequently block good editors. It is very very very wrong.
Walter van Kalken wrote:
David Gerard wrote:
Andre Engels (andreengels@gmail.com) [050216 01:33]:
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 22:35:02 +0700, Walter van Kalken walter@vankalken.net wrote:
Does anyone have to say anything about this? Or should I just start to collect Japanese IP-addresses to block them on nl: to get a reaction?
If the ISP in question really is running an open proxy server, then Walter needs to bring it to their attention that this is leaving an abuse-machine wide open, just as if it were an open email relay being used by spammers.
This is not my responsibility. Wikipedia is an open project and it should be open for anyone.
Waerth/Walter
I'd like to add that I am on a dial-up connection where my IP address isn't unique either. It is certainly likely and possible that a Wiki vandal could use the same dial-up connection and use the same IP addresses I use, even though I'm contributing reasonable content to the Wiki. While open proxies are a problem, that isn't always the situation.
I'm siding with Walter on this one, and this is a policy that needs to be addressed.
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 21:13:42 +0700, Walter van Kalken walter@vankalken.net wrote:
How do I think you can solve this? On dutch nl: I am a sysop and a proponent of hard blocking policies. If somebody vandalizes they get blocked for 24 hours, period. I heard there are problems on Japanese wikipedia with getting sysops and there is a shortage of hands so that is why Japanese as the only wikipedia decided to block open proxies. So you need to get more sysops.
I find it rather strange for you to call for hard blocking policy. Apparently you don't mind blocking someone because there are 2 vandals on the same computer or same IP-address, and yet you are complaining for being blocked because there are 50 in the same country. Is there that much difference?
Andre Engels
I stopped proxyblockbot temporarily. At least, until proper blocking policy of open proxies is settled, I do not restart it.
In past, most of wikimedia projects had blocked open proxies automatically using MediaWiki feature. cf. [[User:Proxy blocker]]
I don't know why and when the feature is disabled. Could anyone explain or show a pointer for discussion about it?
--[ Tietew ]------------------------------------------------------- Mail: tietew@tietew.net / tietew@raug.net Web : http://www.tietew.net/ (Tietew Windows Lab.) PGP fingerprint: 26CB 71BB B595 09C4 0153 81C4 773C 963A D51B 8CAA
Tietew wrote:
In past, most of wikimedia projects had blocked open proxies automatically using MediaWiki feature. cf. [[User:Proxy blocker]]
I don't know why and when the feature is disabled. Could anyone explain or show a pointer for discussion about it?
When we do port scans on thousands of hosts a day, other peoples' internet providers complain to our hosting provider, and we risk being shut down.
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 17:51:44 +0900, Tietew tietew-wikipedia@tietew.net wrote:
I stopped proxyblockbot temporarily. At least, until proper blocking policy of open proxies is settled, I do not restart it.
I am glad on your decision. I appliciate you on that. I know no discussion arose on this issues and guess it was hard for you to make a decision solely, specially it is not your personal idea but based on the community approval in silence and perhaps expectation. Again, thank you.
決断に踏み切ったことを聞いて喜ばしく思います。ありがとうございます。コミュニティで議論が ない状態で決断するのは難しいことだったろう、とくに暗黙の承認と期待があるような状況では なおさらだったのではないかと思います。ありがとうございます。
I hope this issue will gather more interest on JA WP and the discussion will go further.
日本語版ウィキペディアでこの問題がより関心を集め 議論がなされることを期待します。
And again I am blocked on the Japanese wikipedia. You almost think they do not want to have editors who actually make usefull edits. I might start removing interwiki links to Japanese wikipedia from nl: as they do now want strangers to edit and thus directly violate the spirit of wikipedia.
Frustrated, Waerth
wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org