Tomorrow will be anti-ACTA protest in Belgrade and Wikimedia Serbia [1], along with the guests of GLAM conference [2] from France, India, Hungary, Italy, Czech Republic and Macedonia will be there.
There is also discussion on Serbian Village pump about blackout of Serbian Wikipedia on one of the next days [3]. Up to the present, there is 100% support for that.
Although I don't think that it would be necessary, there is the idea to block access to English Wikipedia to users from Serbia if the blackout of Serbian Wikipedia doesn't help. That means that we should have support from WMF to do that.
P.S. Thanks to Adrienne Alix, who poked us to do that :)
[1] https://www.facebook.com/events/234759129951687/ [2] http://glam.wikimedia.rs/ [3] http://tinyurl.com/85aj92d
On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 12:01 PM, Milos Rancic millosh@gmail.com wrote:
Tomorrow will be anti-ACTA protest in Belgrade and Wikimedia Serbia [1], along with the guests of GLAM conference [2] from France, India, Hungary, Italy, Czech Republic and Macedonia will be there.
There is also discussion on Serbian Village pump about blackout of Serbian Wikipedia on one of the next days [3]. Up to the present, there is 100% support for that.
Although I don't think that it would be necessary, there is the idea to block access to English Wikipedia to users from Serbia if the blackout of Serbian Wikipedia doesn't help. That means that we should have support from WMF to do that.
P.S. Thanks to Adrienne Alix, who poked us to do that :)
[1] https://www.facebook.com/events/234759129951687/ [2] http://glam.wikimedia.rs/ [3] http://tinyurl.com/85aj92d
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It's really unfortunate that blacking out Wikimedia projects is becoming an accepted method of protest. Maybe we should start keeping track of how often different projects are blacked out, and for what purpose. When it happened to the Italian Wikipedia, it was a first-ever event that no one thought would happen again. When it happened to the English Wikipedia, it was a uniquely forceful global statement that many argued might never happen again for many reasons. Now Serbia, next who knows?
It seems that this was the protest with the fastest outcome. Government of Serbia said that "they didn't plan to consider ACTA" (text in serbian [1]) :)
[1] http://www.b92.net/info/vesti/index.php?yyyy=2012&mm=02&dd=24&na...
On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 18:13, Nathan nawrich@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 12:01 PM, Milos Rancic millosh@gmail.com wrote:
Tomorrow will be anti-ACTA protest in Belgrade and Wikimedia Serbia [1], along with the guests of GLAM conference [2] from France, India, Hungary, Italy, Czech Republic and Macedonia will be there.
There is also discussion on Serbian Village pump about blackout of Serbian Wikipedia on one of the next days [3]. Up to the present, there is 100% support for that.
Although I don't think that it would be necessary, there is the idea to block access to English Wikipedia to users from Serbia if the blackout of Serbian Wikipedia doesn't help. That means that we should have support from WMF to do that.
P.S. Thanks to Adrienne Alix, who poked us to do that :)
[1] https://www.facebook.com/events/234759129951687/ [2] http://glam.wikimedia.rs/ [3] http://tinyurl.com/85aj92d
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It's really unfortunate that blacking out Wikimedia projects is becoming an accepted method of protest. Maybe we should start keeping track of how often different projects are blacked out, and for what purpose. When it happened to the Italian Wikipedia, it was a first-ever event that no one thought would happen again. When it happened to the English Wikipedia, it was a uniquely forceful global statement that many argued might never happen again for many reasons. Now Serbia, next who knows? _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Nathan, 24/02/2012 18:13:
It's really unfortunate that blacking out Wikimedia projects is becoming an accepted method of protest. Maybe we should start keeping track of how often different projects are blacked out, and for what purpose.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Project-wide_protests
When it happened to the Italian Wikipedia, it was a first-ever event that no one thought would happen again. When it happened to the English Wikipedia, it was a uniquely forceful global statement that many argued might never happen again for many reasons. Now Serbia, next who knows?
That page was supposed to be the place where to answer this question, but it was abandoned in favour of local discussions (such as [[w:en:User talk:Jimbo Wales]]....).
Nemo
On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 12:01 PM, Milos Rancic millosh@gmail.com wrote:
Tomorrow will be anti-ACTA protest in Belgrade and Wikimedia Serbia [1], along with the guests of GLAM conference [2] from France, India, Hungary, Italy, Czech Republic and Macedonia will be there.
There is also discussion on Serbian Village pump about blackout of Serbian Wikipedia on one of the next days [3]. Up to the present, there is 100% support for that.
Although I don't think that it would be necessary, there is the idea to block access to English Wikipedia to users from Serbia if the blackout of Serbian Wikipedia doesn't help. That means that we should have support from WMF to do that.
P.S. Thanks to Adrienne Alix, who poked us to do that :)
[1] https://www.facebook.com/events/234759129951687/ [2] http://glam.wikimedia.rs/ [3] http://tinyurl.com/85aj92d
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on 2/24/12 12:13 PM, Nathan at nawrich@gmail.com wrote:
It's really unfortunate that blacking out Wikimedia projects is becoming an accepted method of protest. Maybe we should start keeping track of how often different projects are blacked out, and for what purpose. When it happened to the Italian Wikipedia, it was a first-ever event that no one thought would happen again. When it happened to the English Wikipedia, it was a uniquely forceful global statement that many argued might never happen again for many reasons. Now Serbia, next who knows?
Nathan, what problems do you see with this method of protest?
Marc Riddell
On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 12:51:13 -0500, Marc Riddell michaeldavid86@comcast.net wrote:
It's really unfortunate that blacking out Wikimedia projects is
becoming
an accepted method of protest. Maybe we should start keeping track of how often different projects are blacked out, and for what purpose. When it happened to the Italian Wikipedia, it was a first-ever event that no
one
thought would happen again. When it happened to the English Wikipedia,
it
was a uniquely forceful global statement that many argued might never happen again for many reasons. Now Serbia, next who knows?
Nathan, what problems do you see with this method of protest?
Marc Riddell
I am not Nathan, but the obvious argument is that a strong medicine only remains strong if used rarely. If one starts using it on a regular basis one gets adapted and the medicine does not have the required action anymore. The same thing is here: one can blank out a Wikipedia main page for a day and to exercise protest, but the protest is only visible if the blanking is exceptional. If it starts to happen on a monthly basis, the only reaction would be that people get upset because Wikipedia is not available.
Cheers Yaroslav
PS I have no idea about the Serbian situation, and I am glad they do not need to discuss it anymore.
On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 12:51:13 -0500, Marc Riddell michaeldavid86@comcast.net wrote:
It's really unfortunate that blacking out Wikimedia projects is
becoming
an accepted method of protest. Maybe we should start keeping track of how often different projects are blacked out, and for what purpose. When it happened to the Italian Wikipedia, it was a first-ever event that no
one
thought would happen again. When it happened to the English Wikipedia,
it
was a uniquely forceful global statement that many argued might never happen again for many reasons. Now Serbia, next who knows?
Nathan, what problems do you see with this method of protest?
Marc Riddell
I am not Nathan, but the obvious argument is that a strong medicine only remains strong if used rarely. If one starts using it on a regular basis one gets adapted and the medicine does not have the required action anymore. The same thing is here: one can blank out a Wikipedia main page for a day and to exercise protest, but the protest is only visible if the blanking is exceptional. If it starts to happen on a monthly basis, the only reaction would be that people get upset because Wikipedia is not available.
Cheers Yaroslav
I agree with you, Yaroslav, that repeated and indiscriminate use of the method would dilute its impact; and could come back to bite the Project. But I think it unwise and unfair to put a flatly negative spin on the idea.
Marc
On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Marc Riddell michaeldavid86@comcast.netwrote:
I agree with you, Yaroslav, that repeated and indiscriminate use of the method would dilute its impact; and could come back to bite the Project. But I think it unwise and unfair to put a flatly negative spin on the idea.
Marc
I was actually against both the Italian blackout and the subsequent blackout of en.wp. I don't think a reference work (which is what Wikipedia aims to be) should take political positions. A core pillar of the project is its neutrality; neutrality underlies our articles so that they, and by extension the project and its participants, do not take and aren't seen to take a position on content.
There ought to be a distinction between advocacy by the Foundation and advocacy by content projects, in the same way we wouldn't expect Britannica to argue its point of view in the pages of its encyclopedia but wouldn't blink if it filed a legal brief or wrote to a lawmaker.
on 2/24/12 1:35 PM, Nathan at nawrich@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Marc Riddell michaeldavid86@comcast.netwrote:
I agree with you, Yaroslav, that repeated and indiscriminate use of the method would dilute its impact; and could come back to bite the Project. But I think it unwise and unfair to put a flatly negative spin on the idea.
Marc
I was actually against both the Italian blackout and the subsequent blackout of en.wp. I don't think a reference work (which is what Wikipedia aims to be) should take political positions. A core pillar of the project is its neutrality; neutrality underlies our articles so that they, and by extension the project and its participants, do not take and aren't seen to take a position on content.
There ought to be a distinction between advocacy by the Foundation and advocacy by content projects, in the same way we wouldn't expect Britannica to argue its point of view in the pages of its encyclopedia but wouldn't blink if it filed a legal brief or wrote to a lawmaker.
Nathan, I do not agree with your characterization that the Project is arguing its point of view "on its pages". The neutrality/objectivity of the content of the Encyclopedia is not involved here. You appear more concerned with the Project's image, than confronting head-on an issue that could directly affect its content.
Marc
On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 18:56, Yaroslav M. Blanter putevod@mccme.ru wrote:
PS I have no idea about the Serbian situation, and I am glad they do not need to discuss it anymore.
Not sure that we won't do that anyway. Just as a warning.
On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 18:01, Milos Rancic millosh@gmail.com wrote:
Tomorrow will be anti-ACTA protest in Belgrade and Wikimedia Serbia [1], along with the guests of GLAM conference [2] from France, India, Hungary, Italy, Czech Republic and Macedonia will be there.
You will find here some known faces: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLUNXXOKGnw
:)
On 02/26/2012 01:39 AM, Milos Rancic wrote:
On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 18:01, Milos Rancicmillosh@gmail.com wrote:
Tomorrow will be anti-ACTA protest in Belgrade and Wikimedia Serbia [1], along with the guests of GLAM conference [2] from France, India, Hungary, Italy, Czech Republic and Macedonia will be there.
You will find here some known faces: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLUNXXOKGnw
:)
Too bad I had my mask on. :)
Cheers, Filip
Watch the first 2:40 of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3vVVOa-Euw :)
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